Bolton Defends Israel....

[hightide85]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/23/mideast.bolton/index.html

Bolton says they have a right to "defend themselves". I think the US and Israel really need to learn the definition of "defense".

Basically the Jews have carte blance to do whatever they want. Why can't he just say that?

[Bekim...]

shut up already

[Bekim...]

usa and israel are tired of these arab cocksuckers blowing us up every 15 minutes, I hope to allah Israel goes into Iran and Syria and FUCKS them up too.

[hightide85]

shut up already

dude you've proven yourself to be a complete fucking non compus mentus...

say something intelligent or kill yourself...

[Bekim...]

dude you've proven yourself to be a complete fucking non compus mentus...

say something intelligent or kill yourself...


I hope Israel keeps POUDING on hezbollah you fucking jew hater

[hightide85]

I hope Israel keeps POUDING on hezbollah you fucking jew hater

it's not like I care about Hezbollah..

once again, "jew hater" comes into play....it always does...

I forgot, you can't say anything bad about israel or the jews. I'm sorry...

LONG LIVE ISRAEL AND THE JEWS!!! I LOVE JEWS!!!

[Bekim...]

it's not like I care about Hezbollah..

once again, "jew hater" comes into play....it always does...

I forgot, you can't say anything bad about israel or the jews. I'm sorry...

LONG LIVE ISRAEL AND THE JEWS!!! I LOVE JEWS!!!

lets go surfing in the blcak sea and find some hot israeli and arab chicks

[Micha]

Intolerance shouldnt be tolerated on here lolol. But unfortunately beck a lot of people feel like him. Not saying its right to feel like that but just pointing out that his view is common :shrugger

[hightide85]

Hey at least there are no double standards at all in here...so that's nice.

the jews and others can bash everyone and their brother and that's fine..just NEVER say anything about the jews because they live in glass houses and are very sensitive. Bash bash bash all day just not the jews or you are a "racist", you are "intolerant"...you are "insensitive" and you are an "anti-semite" oh and you're a "bad person" and "the devil".

[drumaboy]

dude you've proven yourself to be a complete fucking non compus mentus...

say something intelligent or kill yourself...

although beck's comments might seem harsh, you are proving yourself the less intelligent, not having known the facts and history which brought them to where they are now, fact: israel pulled out of lebanon fact: hezbollah, a terrorist organization builds support in lebanon, gains access within the govt (imagine if the bloods, crips, kkk all had seats in congress) ..... then, hezbollah kidnaps two israeli soldiers, uhmmmmmmm, sorry, that is a formal declaration of WAR, israel has reacted, maybe if hezbollah werent a typical bunch of spineless dirka dirkas, and fronted an army, fought like men for something worthwhile (neither the case) then maybe things would be different, but nope! now the UN is trying to intervene when theyve clearly dropped the ball on their own resolution in the past which was to disarm hezbollah, oh but now, they want peace, gime a break, this is cut and dry, and in war, innocent people die, yes, we know that, and it does suck, but, hezbollah is not just some clandestine operation, theyve been in lebanon, gaining support, why the world is shocked by israel's reaction is beyond me

[Coco69]

dude you've proven yourself to be a complete fucking non compus mentus...

say something intelligent or kill yourself...

Like more racial slurrings?

[Bekim...]

to each his own, no biggie. what I do know for a fact is that my girlfirend lost family to those arab garbage, why I do know is I lost 2 friends in teh WTC to those arab garbage. anyone saying that al qaeda and hezbollah and hammas dont share the same views is the stupid one in my book... they are all evil and should be taken out, wether we do it or Israel

[hightide85]

Like more racial slurrings?

are you talking about me? If so you are doing an excellent job at proving my point!

[hightide85]

although beck's comments might seem harsh, you are proving yourself the less intelligent, not having known the facts and history which brought them to where they are now, fact: israel pulled out of lebanon fact: hezbollah, a terrorist organization builds support in lebanon, gains access within the govt (imagine if the bloods, crips, kkk all had seats in congress) ..... then, hezbollah kidnaps two israeli soldiers, uhmmmmmmm, sorry, that is a formal declaration of WAR, israel has reacted, maybe if hezbollah werent a typical bunch of spineless dirka dirkas, and fronted an army, fought like men for something worthwhile (neither the case) then maybe things would be different, but nope! now the UN is trying to intervene when theyve clearly dropped the ball on their own resolution in the past which was to disarm hezbollah, oh but now, they want peace, gime a break, this is cut and dry, and in war, innocent people die, yes, we know that, and it does suck, but, hezbollah is not just some clandestine operation, theyve been in lebanon, gaining support, why the world is shocked by israel's reaction is beyond me

yeah they pulled out of lebanon but decided to systematically conduct targeted assassinations of Hezbollah "officials". You pro Israel people are so funny and unwilling to accept any sort of blame for anything. Everything is always so justified. It's laughable...

[Defekted]

although beck's comments might seem harsh, you are proving yourself the less intelligent, not having known the facts and history which brought them to where they are now, fact: israel pulled out of lebanon fact: hezbollah, a terrorist organization builds support in lebanon, gains access within the govt (imagine if the bloods, crips, kkk all had seats in congress) ..... then, hezbollah kidnaps two israeli soldiers, uhmmmmmmm, sorry, that is a formal declaration of WAR, israel has reacted, maybe if hezbollah werent a typical bunch of spineless dirka dirkas, and fronted an army, fought like men for something worthwhile (neither the case) then maybe things would be different, but nope! now the UN is trying to intervene when theyve clearly dropped the ball on their own resolution in the past which was to disarm hezbollah, oh but now, they want peace, gime a break, this is cut and dry, and in war, innocent people die, yes, we know that, and it does suck, but, hezbollah is not just some clandestine operation, theyve been in lebanon, gaining support, why the world is shocked by israel's reaction is beyond me

been trying to limit my posts, cause last week i was entirely unproductive at work and now im swamped, but i do want to respond to this one, just because druma is usually VERY on point with his views on politics and current events... im usualy nodding my head on almost everything this guy posts......except this one, lol.

nothing about this conflict is cut and dry. your logic is waaay to black and white regarding whats going on. your dismissal of the innocent sufferage as "it sucks" is a bit to matter of fact teetering on the edge of emotionless ...... someone's terrorist is another persons resistence fighter, and thats a fact, so of course hezbolla has alot of support in lebanon and the arab world. The body count goes something like innocent Israelis dead 15 and soldiers about 23+ (a ratio not familiar with a terrorist group) while the Israeli's have killed 300+ civilians and only a handful of militants..... obviously Hezbollahs fighters wont be coming at Israel with a "front" like a conventional army cause it would be wiped out with one bomb.... your only talking about a few hundred hardened fighters. As for the mighty Israeli army, I can easily flip it to you and call them the biggest pussies ever, to be bombing from 15,000ft for 12 straight days (killing the innocent 99% of the time) before the first boot entered lebanon....... why didnt they enter the south right away and do "arm to arm" fighting" with the geurillas? dropping bombs from f-16's isnt what i call "fighting" like men either......

Fact: Hezbollah wont be defeated militarily; Fact: an 18 year occupation by Israel couldnt disarm them so this few week battle will DEFINITELY not; Fact: anti-Israeli and Anti-american (funding and arming Israel) is at an all time high in the middle east and around the world due to the graphic images of the civilian toll in Lebanon (most images you will never see in mainstream media, but I have seen on sattelite channels); Fact: Israel wont live in peace with it neighbors as long as it continues to try to punish an entire people because of the acts of a few

[ShaE]

yeah they pulled out of lebanon but decided to systematically conduct targeted assassinations of Hezbollah "officials". You pro Israel people are so funny and unwilling to accept any sort of blame for anything. Everything is always so justified. It's laughable...

Yeah, b/c there are no hezbollah " officials" they're terrorists.
Pro-Israel people? Way to lump people together...I happen to agree that Israel has a right to exist, defend their people and their borders from terrorists. It's not b/c I'm a blind " jew lover" it's b/c I AGREE with their standpoint. It's not that think Israel is infallible, or 100% right or that all arabs are TERRORISTS..I just happen to side w/ Israel in this case.

they were given the land, Israel exists, it's how it is...everyone ought to deal with it. I don't feel they were unjustified in their response to the kidnappings or to the constant threat they're under. It IS horrible the bombings of civilians but how do you fight an enemy that hides amongst the people? An organization that is a terrorist group w/o centralized locales or structure? It's a SHITTY situation but what would you have Israel do exactly?

[ShaE]

You pro Israel people are so funny and unwilling to accept any sort of blame for anything. Everything is always so justified. It's laughable...
Labeling people is straight up retarded...total lazy cop out. Laughable, really.

[ShaE]

to each his own, no biggie. what I do know for a fact is that my girlfirend lost family to those arab garbage, why I do know is I lost 2 friends in teh WTC to those arab garbage. anyone saying that al qaeda and hezbollah and hammas dont share the same views is the stupid one in my book... they are all evil and should be taken out, wether we do it or Israel
I think everybody's arguments are undermined when they use the term "evil". I agree w/ you mostly bek, but what exactly determines evil? It just opens up the argument to a ton of speculation about what it is and isn't...not fact based.

[Micha]

to each his own, no biggie. what I do know for a fact is that my girlfirend lost family to those arab garbage, why I do know is I lost 2 friends in teh WTC to those arab garbage. anyone saying that al qaeda and hezbollah and hammas dont share the same views is the stupid one in my book... they are all evil and should be taken out, wether we do it or Israel

Arab garbage??? That sounds just as unintelligent and intolerant as him, no?

[Micha]

yeah they pulled out of lebanon but decided to systematically conduct targeted assassinations of Hezbollah "officials". You pro Israel people are so funny and unwilling to accept any sort of blame for anything. Everything is always so justified. It's laughable...

Like i said im aware of a lot of ppl that share this view with you...in fact i did/do at times...but its not the right way to think. Really its not better than blaming all arabs for 911

[drumaboy]

been trying to limit my posts, cause last week i was entirely unproductive at work and now im swamped, but i do want to respond to this one, just because druma is usually VERY on point with his views on politics and current events... im usualy nodding my head on almost everything this guy posts......except this one, lol.

nothing about this conflict is cut and dry. your logic is waaay to black and white regarding whats going on. your dismissal of the innocent sufferage as "it sucks" is a bit to matter of fact teetering on the edge of emotionless ...... someone's terrorist is another persons resistence fighter, and thats a fact, so of course hezbolla has alot of support in lebanon and the arab world. The body count goes something like innocent Israelis dead 15 and soldiers about 23+ (a ratio not familiar with a terrorist group) while the Israeli's have killed 300+ civilians and only a handful of militants..... obviously Hezbollahs fighters wont be coming at Israel with a "front" like a conventional army cause it would be wiped out with one bomb.... your only talking about a few hundred hardened fighters. As for the mighty Israeli army, I can easily flip it to you and call them the biggest pussies ever, to be bombing from 15,000ft for 12 straight days (killing the innocent 99% of the time) before the first boot entered lebanon....... why didnt they enter the south right away and do "arm to arm" fighting" with the geurillas? dropping bombs from f-16's isnt what i call "fighting" like men either......

Fact: Hezbollah wont be defeated militarily; Fact: an 18 year occupation by Israel couldnt disarm them so this few week battle will DEFINITELY not; Fact: anti-Israeli and Anti-american (funding and arming Israel) is at an all time high in the middle east and around the world due to the graphic images of the civilian toll in Lebanon (most images you will never see in mainstream media, but I have seen on sattelite channels); Fact: Israel wont live in peace with it neighbors as long as it continues to try to punish an entire people because of the acts of a few


leave up to a terroist SYMPATHIZER to establish some bullshit gray area, lol, amazing, utterly amazing.......because of the acts of few?!?! ahh yes, the typical dirka dirka islamic response, well, it's the few bad appples in palestine, in lebanon, who have clearly voted for terrorist organizations due to hatred, NOT common sense or actual fights for freedom......hamas and hezbollah are terrorist organizations, period, when people are brainwashed, think ONLY in terms of religion, not reality, yes, they vote for these groups, so please enough with the few bad apples BULLSHIT, because we are FAR from that......did you not read what the leader of hezbollah said? he's calling for islamists to join his cause? and how are these fucks getting away with it, by putting their dead human shields up for the world to see......even when israel has done it's part, pulled out, nope, still not enough, just humble yourself, realize what happened, and THINK for once, just once, did israel start this? nope, ahhh but they can't accept it

[ShaE]

leave up to a terroist SYMPATHIZER to establish some bullshit gray area, lol, amazing, utterly amazing.......because of the acts of few?!?! ahh yes, the typical dirka dirka islamic response, well, it's the few bad appples in palestine, in lebanon, who have clearly voted for terrorist organizations due to hatred, NOT common sense or actual fights for freedom......hamas and hezbollah are terrorist organizations, period, when people are brainwashed, think ONLY in terms of religion, not reality, yes, they vote for these groups, so please enough with the few bad apples BULLSHIT, because we are FAR from that......did you not read what the leader of hezbollah said? he's calling for islamists to join his cause? and how are these fucks getting away with it, by putting their dead human shields up for the world to see......even when israel has done it's part, pulled out, nope, still not enough, just humble yourself, realize what happened, and THINK for once, just once, did israel start this? nope, ahhh but they can't accept it
I agree w/ you about Israel being justified and hamas/hezbollah undoubtedly being terrorist organizations but not about defekted being a terrorist sympathizer. He just wouldn't think that way. Your reasonings are entirely different, and maybe that's because he's coming from a more personal perspective being part lebanese ( right?) but I've heard him on many occasions entirely denounce terrorism. I don't think it's that.

[Defekted]

leave up to a terroist SYMPATHIZER to establish some bullshit gray area, lol, amazing, utterly amazing.......because of the acts of few?!?! ahh yes, the typical dirka dirka islamic response, well, it's the few bad appples in palestine, in lebanon, who have clearly voted for terrorist organizations due to hatred, NOT common sense or actual fights for freedom......hamas and hezbollah are terrorist organizations, period, when people are brainwashed, think ONLY in terms of religion, not reality, yes, they vote for these groups, so please enough with the few bad apples BULLSHIT, because we are FAR from that......did you not read what the leader of hezbollah said? he's calling for islamists to join his cause? and how are these fucks getting away with it, by putting their dead human shields up for the world to see......even when israel has done it's part, pulled out, nope, still not enough, just humble yourself, realize what happened, and THINK for once, just once, did israel start this? nope, ahhh but they can't accept it

not sure who you are calling a terrorist sympathizer? I hope not me cause then for sure you have no clue who I am and what am I about. I am totally against all innocent death one both sides, they make me sick whether its an Israeli or Lebanese or Palestinian, I do not shed any tears for an IDF casualtie or a Hezbollah militant ... they want this fight let them fight it out.....

yes, the actions of a few! not sure what level of math you have completed in your academic history but if you were to divide Hezbollah militants with the entire Lebanese population (the ones that are truly suffering, last i checked) you would get a very low number.... which kinda implies a few bad apples among many innocent people.... not hard to understand. Not sure why condeming the Israeli response equates to supporting the initial hezbollah operation of kidnapping the soldiers.... thats a pretty simple minded way of going about things....

[Defekted]

I agree w/ you about Israel being justified and hamas/hezbollah undoubtedly being terrorist organizations but not about defekted being a terrorist sympathizer. He just wouldn't think that way. Your reasonings are entirely different, and maybe that's because he's coming from a more personal perspective being part lebanese ( right?) but I've heard him on many occasions entirely denounce terrorism. I don't think it's that.


Thanks for the backup, still not sure if he ment me or the people voting Hezbollah into office.... it sounds like it was directed to me but ill wait to see his response.....

That would be a terrible insult to my morals and values coming from way left field..... terrorist sympathizer means I approve all tactics, including killing innocent people to further a cause or agenda.... that is as far from what I support as possible....part of the reason why I am so against this Israeli offensive.... the lebanese civilians are taking the brunt of this attack, not hezbollah

[drumaboy]

not sure who you are calling a terrorist sympathizer? I hope not me cause then for sure you have no clue who I am and what am I about. I am totally against all innocent death one both sides, they make me sick whether its an Israeli or Lebanese or Palestinian, I do not shed any tears for an IDF casualtie or a Hezbollah militant ... they want this fight let them fight it out.....

yes, the actions of a few! not sure what level of math you have completed in your academic history but if you were to divide Hezbollah militants with the entire Lebanese population (the ones that are truly suffering, last i checked) you would get a very low number.... which kinda implies a few bad apples among many innocent people.... not hard to understand. Not sure why condeming the Israeli response equates to supporting the initial hezbollah operation of kidnapping the soldiers.... thats a pretty simple minded way of going about things....

hezbollah has obviously done a number on the masses to not only get support (votes) but also within the country, but no, really, you know everything about life in lebanon and ow these "few" just got up and said, "eh, fuck it, lets go start a war with israel

[ShaE]

hezbollah has obviously done a number on the masses to not only get support (votes) but also within the country, but no, really, you know everything about life in lebanon and ow these "few" just got up and said, "eh, fuck it, lets go start a war with israel

I think more than a few of them have motivations for a war, including Israel and it's a lot more complex than just one group opting for it.

[Defekted]

hezbollah has obviously done a number on the masses to not only get support (votes) but also within the country, but no, really, you know everything about life in lebanon and ow these "few" just got up and said, "eh, fuck it, lets go start a war with israel

Being Lebanese and following the events in Lebanon, whether its in the news or not, and having family there, and going there every other summer for the past two decades kinda puts me "in the know" of what is going on there..... just FYI

This operation is being condemed by the MAJORITY of lebanese.... no one can support an armed militia in its midst, unilaterally taking a country into war with Israel.... before all this, the lebanese were working to disarm Hezbollah, talks of them intigrating into the army or some other ideas were being put forth to get Hezbollah to disarm....now with whats going on today in Lebanon, not one person is worrying about Hezbollah, its disarming, or whatever....whats on everyones mind is if they are going to live through the Israel bombing, if the country will be able to get back on its feet after this is done, if anyone will ever dare to reinvest into a broken country, with the economy will take another 10 years to get back to last weeks level...... The hatred for Israel is felt now in every Lebanese heart - the christians, the muslims, the relgious, the secular....dont matter, hatred for hezbollah has just taken a back seat to Israel....

you tell me if thats what Israel wants for a northern neighbor???

[ShaE]

No doubt that war is a unifying force, obviously when it's a foreign enemy and not civil war. 100% nobody is going to be interested in taking action disarming hezbollah while Israel remains the primary threat. Right/wrong...it's on the back burner. It's like how domestic issues get put on hold during wartime and civil liberties are weakened...it's inevitable. People aren't going to be concerned w/ this shit when they're trying to live thru attacks by Israel whether justified or not.

I'm sure Israel realized this, and I'm sure they chose to proceed anyway. The reasoning being they'll pound the everloving shit out of them as opposed to waiting for the lebanese to disarm/disband hezbollah themselves .

[Micha]

The hatred for Israel is felt now in every Lebanese heart - the christians, the muslims, the relgious, the secular....dont matter, hatred for hezbollah has just taken a back seat to Israel....


I didnt know this.

[Defekted]

hezbollah has obviously done a number on the masses to not only get support (votes) but also within the country, but no, really, you know everything about life in lebanon and ow these "few" just got up and said, "eh, fuck it, lets go start a war with israel

Also, think about this, who is benefitting from all this? Israel? no, they are strengthening the resolve of the idiot militants in Lebanon and abroad and swelling their ranks with radicalized muslims ... think about every single lebanese shiite man age 15-40 who lost a loved one in the south, you think they are going to think twice about joining hezb.? i think not.... The united states? Definitely not, the only success story in the middle east for the bush administration was Lebanon, a country that rid themselves of syrian influence and started a pro western democracy, now that same government is in danger of collapsing, and the country is becoming more and more anti-american (see protest against the US and condi's visit today in beirut); The lebanese? lol, dont make me laugh, with all the death and destruction, they are for sure the big losers in this....

that Leaves Syria? Absolutely, now all of a sudden are players again in the region, by taking a "wonderful humanitarian" angle allowing thousands upon thousands of lebanese refugees into their country, they are winning "hearts and minds", they are also want dearly to engage in talks with the US so they can get out of the isolation they have been in for the past 2 years, talks that will probably happen if a political solution will come out of this... Iran? 100%, they just stuck the finger to Israel and the US, they are flexing their muscles and the US is taking it because of being bogged down in Iraq, and Hezbollah? yup, yeah sure they might be taking a hit militarily (not much so far how ever), and they will suffer losses, but now Nasrallah has suddenly become Che Gueverra of the middle east, and it Israel keeps taking IDF losses, they will come out of this with legendary status....

remember one thing....famous quote that I will for sure butcher cause I forgot how it goes...

an army HAS to win the war entirely to avoid losing, but a guerilla army just has to NOT LOSE to win ...

[Defekted]

No doubt that war is a unifying force, obviously when it's a foreign enemy and not civil war. 100% nobody is going to be interested in taking action disarming hezbollah while Israel remains the primary threat. Right/wrong...it's on the back burner. It's like how domestic issues get put on hold during wartime and civil liberties are weakened...it's inevitable. People aren't going to be concerned w/ this shit when they're trying to live thru attacks by Israel whether justified or not.

I'm sure Israel realized this, and I'm sure they chose to proceed anyway. The reasoning being they'll pound the everloving shit out of them as opposed to waiting for the lebanese to disarm/disband hezbollah themselves .

your absolutely right with your analogy regarding the people during war.... hezbollah were falling out of favor with the Lebanese people big time before this, and yea most are extremely pissed and against the initial attack on an Israeli convoy.... but still in the end, they are Lebanese, and there is no chance people will move against them while a foreign force (Israel) is entirely demolishing the country.....

the question remains, will pounding the everloving shit out of them result in a desired Lebanon for Israel. I have seen this movie before people, i dont want to ruin for you guys, so ill keep my mouth shut, hope you got your popcorn and soda....

[hightide85]

been trying to limit my posts, cause last week i was entirely unproductive at work and now im swamped, but i do want to respond to this one, just because druma is usually VERY on point with his views on politics and current events... im usualy nodding my head on almost everything this guy posts......except this one, lol.

nothing about this conflict is cut and dry. your logic is waaay to black and white regarding whats going on. your dismissal of the innocent sufferage as "it sucks" is a bit to matter of fact teetering on the edge of emotionless ...... someone's terrorist is another persons resistence fighter, and thats a fact, so of course hezbolla has alot of support in lebanon and the arab world. The body count goes something like innocent Israelis dead 15 and soldiers about 23+ (a ratio not familiar with a terrorist group) while the Israeli's have killed 300+ civilians and only a handful of militants..... obviously Hezbollahs fighters wont be coming at Israel with a "front" like a conventional army cause it would be wiped out with one bomb.... your only talking about a few hundred hardened fighters. As for the mighty Israeli army, I can easily flip it to you and call them the biggest pussies ever, to be bombing from 15,000ft for 12 straight days (killing the innocent 99% of the time) before the first boot entered lebanon....... why didnt they enter the south right away and do "arm to arm" fighting" with the geurillas? dropping bombs from f-16's isnt what i call "fighting" like men either......

Fact: Hezbollah wont be defeated militarily; Fact: an 18 year occupation by Israel couldnt disarm them so this few week battle will DEFINITELY not; Fact: anti-Israeli and Anti-american (funding and arming Israel) is at an all time high in the middle east and around the world due to the graphic images of the civilian toll in Lebanon (most images you will never see in mainstream media, but I have seen on sattelite channels); Fact: Israel wont live in peace with it neighbors as long as it continues to try to punish an entire people because of the acts of a few

You are a smart man...I concur...

[hightide85]

Labeling people is straight up retarded...total lazy cop out. Laughable, really.

Are you talking directly to me or commenting on my earlier post?

[ShaE]

Are you talking directly to me or commenting on my earlier post?
I was commenting to your post directly, b/c you lumped all "pro israel" people together and made ridiculous judgments about them.

I think it's fair to say that's generalizing, that's lazy, and it's equally laughable. Don't you?

[hightide85]

I was commenting to your post directly, b/c you lumped all "pro israel" people together and made ridiculous judgments about them.

I think it's fair to say that's generalizing, that's lazy, and it's equally laughable. Don't you?

No, I don't think it's laughable. I'm making observations based on the posts I read here. I'm not chosing sides...I just make observations and comment about them. You are pro Israel, so sure, it's going to seem laughable to you. I'm not talking about everyone in the world...just from MY experiences on this board and in my life.

[Defekted]

I think this board has historically been on the pro-Israel side but this time around at least there is some balance in opinion. Sure you have people who support the Israel response and think its justified (dino, druma, shae, just b u, beck, ghb, fast, get low, james, eleni, dmitry, etc) but at least there are people who think that it response is disproportionate and should be condemed (myself, yourself, studs, jaydiddy, and some others) all providing credible opinions...

only when people call the others "terrorist sympathizer" or "I hope Israel wipes the arab garbage out" does the debate become 3rd grade level and then I just kinda tune out......

[Defekted]

Something to think:

The invasion of Lebanon in 82 was ment to drive the Palestinians out of Lebanon, that invasion was the reason Hezbullah was created, in 82. Isnt it Ironic?

stay tuned to see what militant group gets spawned by this attack by Israel, coming soon to a theater near you, next summer, i mean next generation.

[hightide85]

I think this board has historically been on the pro-Israel side but this time around at least there is some balance in opinion. Sure you have people who support the Israel response and think its justified (dino, druma, shae, just b u, beck, ghb, fast, get low, james, eleni, dmitry, etc) but at least there are people who think that it response is disproportionate and should be condemed (myself, yourself, studs, jaydiddy, and some others) all providing credible opinions...

only when people call the others "terrorist sympathizer" or "I hope Israel wipes the arab garbage out" does the debate become 3rd grade level and then I just kinda tune out......

I totally agree.....and since Beck mentions 911 so freakin' much I think I may just bring up the good 'ol USS Liberty. I've brought it up in the past and nobody says a word.

[Defekted]

Yup, 34 americans dead by the attack of "mistaken identity"

[drumaboy]

your absolutely right with your analogy regarding the people during war.... hezbollah were falling out of favor with the Lebanese people big time before ....

bullshit! and you know it, hezbollah has been thriving in lebanon what with their welfare programs, big pay offs from iran, parading through the streets with their soldiers on holidays, running schools and hospitals in the poorest areas, hmm, sounds like brainwashing the weak to me!....raising little future haters with boy scout-like programs where one of the "fun" activities is to create a star of david in the ground at the entrance of their tent, so everyday, coming and going , they step on it.....so, in the end, they got way ahead of themselves, didn't concentrate inward, drew first blood, and now THEY owe an apology to the innocent....pro western democracy?!?!? thats a joke, and you know it

we can all have opinions, but personally, i'd rather draw mine on history, what people CHOOSE to do, and what actually happens

[Defekted]

bullshit! and you know it, hezbollah has been thriving in lebanon what with their welfare programs, big pay offs from iran, parading through the streets with their soldiers on holidays, running schools and hospitals in the poorest areas, hmm, sounds like brainwashing the weak to me!....raising little future haters with boy scout-like programs where one of the "fun" activities is to create a star of david in the ground at the entrance of their tent, so everyday, coming and going , they step on it.....so, in the end, they got way ahead of themselves, didn't concentrate inward, drew first blood, and now THEY owe an apology to the innocent....pro western democracy?!?!? thats a joke, and you know it

we can all have opinions, but personally, i'd rather draw mine on history, what people CHOOSE to do, and what actually happens

I aslo draw my opinions from history, my friend.

Here is History101 for you, since it seems you need a Lebanon 4 dummies book ASAP

You seem to be discounting the fact that there are Christians, Sunnis, Druze, and secular Shiites in Lebanon (a grouping that would consist of at least 65% of Lebanon if not more) that are for the disarming of Hizbullah. Yes, they take care of their own, the Shiites, with numerous social services, from schools to hospitals, in the poorest of areas in the south, they dont do it for the entire of Lebanon. Yes, it is a secular pro-western government, they worked in tandem with the US and Eurpean Union to get Syria (who occupied Lebanon for three decades) finally out of lebanon and its politics, and the next step was hezbullah. It has excellent relations with all western countries, it has western investment, and tons of western tourists (i.e. the tens of thousands of evacuees that span the globe) so dont try to compare Lebanon with something like the Taliban in Afganistan, or else you will be in danger of sounding like you are talking out of your ass.......

you talk as if you know but you dont know shit about lebanon and what goes on there.

[Defekted]

Furthermore,

Since you love history,

should pay attention to what happened in Lebanon in 1982. The Israeli army reached Beirut to clean out the P.L.O who were conducting cross border raids on Israelis, in the process of the attack and invasion they killed tons of civilians, hmmmmm sounds familiar? Well they accomplished their goal, and the PLO backed their bags and boarded a ship to Tunisia.

Problem is HEzbollah is Lebanese, comprised fully of Lebanese Shiites, there is no boat to board, no country to send the fighters to. So unless you kill every last Shiite fighter (not gonna happen) you arent going to defeat Hezbollah.

Oh and by the way, Hezbollah was created during the 82 invasion of Lebanon to fight the Israeli's ..... lets see whats created for the next generation of Israelis and Lebanese....

[drumaboy]

I aslo draw my opinions from history, my friend.

Here is History101 for you, since it seems you need a Lebanon 4 dummies book ASAP

You seem to be discounting the fact that there are Christians, Sunnis, Druze, and secular Shiites in Lebanon (a grouping that would consist of at least 65% of Lebanon if not more) that are for the disarming of Hizbullah. Yes, they take care of their own, the Shiites, with numerous social services, from schools to hospitals, in the poorest of areas in the south, they dont do it for the entire of Lebanon. Yes, it is a secular pro-western government, they worked in tandem with the US and Eurpean Union to get Syria (who occupied Lebanon for three decades) finally out of lebanon and its politics, and the next step was hezbullah. It has excellent relations with all western countries, it has western investment, and tons of western tourists (i.e. the tens of thousands of evacuees that span the globe) so dont try to compare Lebanon with something like the Taliban in Afganistan, or else you will be in danger of sounding like you are talking out of your ass.......

you talk as if you know but you dont know shit about lebanon and what goes on there.


yeah, no shit sherlock, BUT!!!!...BUTTTTTT!....so much for all that , because in the end, look at who did what, oh and i actually spent time with christian lebanese, two saturdays ago, when all hell was initially breaking loose, and what did they say? hezbollah has grown, gotten support, money, and arms, so say what you will about the state of lebanon, they should have NOT allowed them to gain power.....even jeannine pirro was there, congresswoman, yep, shes lebanese, oh but, interesting how there's nothing on her site about lebanon.... there was a time in this country when the obvious standards of democracy were NOT being held by the government in allowing groups to ferment in crime, civil liberties, etc, but over and over, they did fight back, and not allow groups against the welfare of people to actually assimilate, become involved in politics, etc.....perfect ex: KKK, sure they're allowed to speak, but given actual powers? nope....given a chance to breed in our institutions? nope....no, usa isn't the perfect model, but at least we don't give hatred a soapbox, a seat in congress, or a ballot during elections

[Defekted]

yeah, no shit sherlock, BUT!!!!...BUTTTTTT!....so much for all that , because in the end, look at who did what, oh and i actually spent time with christian lebanese, two saturdays ago, when all hell was initially breaking loose, and what did they say? hezbollah has grown, gotten support, money, and arms, so say what you will about the state of lebanon, they should have NOT allowed them to gain power.....even jeannine pirro was there, congresswoman, yep, shes lebanese, oh but, interesting how there's nothing on her site about lebanon.... there was a time in this country when the obvious standards of democracy were NOT being held by the government in allowing groups to ferment in crime, civil liberties, etc, but over and over, they did fight back, and not allow groups against the welfare of people to actually assimilate, become involved in politics, etc.....perfect ex: KKK, sure they're allowed to speak, but given actual powers? nope....given a chance to breed in our institutions? nope....no, usa isn't the perfect model, but at least we don't give hatred a soapbox, a seat in congress, or a ballot during elections

To set the picture, I am half Colombian and half Lebanese (CHRISTIAN) .... you arent talking to a Shiite Lebanese from South lebanon. Thankfully my family that was visiting was able to evacute today, and the rest of the family, who live there, are in a relatively safe part (christian part) of Beirut....

If you were to talk to a family member of mine before this all started and asked them what are their feelings of hezbollah, you would need an advanced calculator to tally up the curse words being thrown out there.... to tell me that there isnt a HUGGGGGE PART OF THE POPULATION that is entirely against the military arm of hezbullah then you need to do alot more research before stepping to this debate.

Of course it grew over the year in power and strength, for one the immense funding by IRAN has turned their military into a tremendous force (which is the exact reason why the disarming of them was not going to happen overnight) also demographics play a huge part, the Shiite population is the fastest growing segment of the people and will become the majority in the next decade for sure..... so politically, if people vote down secterian lines, you have a huge political force..... they gained power through elections legitimately, not on a "lets destroy Israel" platform, rather, a representative of a huge Shiite community.

Another thing about Lebanese politics you DEARLY need a lesson on. When you say they 'got power' etc etc .... the parilament is segmented down secterian lines (for example: the president has to be Maronite christian, the prime misiter has to be sunni muslim and the speaker of parliment has to be shiite) .. and the dissection goes further down (including druze muslims, greek orthodox, etc etc etc) ... you seem to forget, that eventhough Lebanon is the size of maryland if not smaller, it has tons of different religions that all need to be represented in governement.... this was, in part, what was the cause of the civil war that last 15 years.... proportionate representation in governemnt.....

so Hezbollah as a political wing will ALWAYS be there and will always have "POWER" as you like to keep bringing up regarding the voting in of Hezbollah.... Even Israel, itself, has said its aim isnt to destroy Hezbullah's politcal wing, cause it is impossible....

[Defekted]

there was a time in this country when the obvious standards of democracy were NOT being held by the government in allowing groups to ferment in crime, civil liberties, etc, but over and over, they did fight back, and not allow groups against the welfare of people to actually assimilate, become involved in politics, etc.....perfect ex: KKK, sure they're allowed to speak, but given actual powers? nope....given a chance to breed in our institutions? nope....no, usa isn't the perfect model, but at least we don't give hatred a soapbox, a seat in congress, or a ballot during elections

Also, and please excuse the rapid pace of my response, but there is just sooooo much to talk about in your posts, to compare Hezbullah to kkk, black panthers, whatever racist group you can think of is a bit rediculous. There is some very legitatmite reasons for a hard stance against Israel in Lebanon, there is ALOT OF hate that runs through the veins of Lebanese for the atrocities commited by Israel during its occupation, you arent going to find any politicans with roses being sent to the Knesset in Tel Aviv, anytime soon.... that goes for all politicans...newsflash: Lebanon, AS AN ENTIRE COUNTRY, does not have relations with Israel, no embassy, no diplomat, etc etc etc......

so of course parts of the governemnt will be more moderate and some more extreme,...JUST LIKE ISRAEL, WHOSE LIKUD PARTY AND THE PARTIES TO THE RIGHT OF LIKUD has nooooooooo problem sanctioning soooooooo many of the atrocities commited against the Palestinians and Lebanese.... just as you will have Hezbollah and other "right/religious" parties in Lebanese parliament that will discuss, on the record, hateful rhetoric towards Israel......

ITs middle east politics, Israel and Lebanon alike, DEAL WITH IT.

Members of the Knesset are just as racist and bloodthirsty as any KKK member or hezbollah member..... Does that give the palestinians or lebanese the right to launch a wave of attacks on Israeli cities? killing the inncoent,

wake up and smell the gun powder.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

This is a chicken and the egg conversation, doesn't anyone realize that? You could go back and forth with examples all day.

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This is a chicken and the egg conversation, doesn't anyone realize that? You could go back and forth with examples all day.

I totally agree,

but realize by saying that, it gives legitimacy to both sides..... both sides have a legitimate arguement, just like the chicken and the egg .....

i agree that both sides have very sound arguements, im trying to just get it through some thik skulls in this forum that it isnt about nuking the arabs, or getting rid of these animals, or kill them before they kill us...... that isnt chicken/egg conversation, its just racist pathetic talk due to lack of intellect.

i welcome chicken vs. egg conversations, thats what debating is all about. In the end, there wont be any change of opinion, but at least, maybe just maybe, you will learn something new about the other side

hopefully with all my posts, some people who didnt know, now know, not all muslims/lebanese/palestinians are terrorists or sympathize with terrorism, and not everything Israel does in its actions is in line with democratic, western values and principles

[ShaE]

No, I don't think it's laughable. I'm making observations based on the posts I read here. I'm not chosing sides...I just make observations and comment about them. You are pro Israel, so sure, it's going to seem laughable to you. I'm not talking about everyone in the world...just from MY experiences on this board and in my life.
No, my being pro-Israel has nothing to do with why I think labeling all people with one particular point of view is NOT so bright. I said your labeling was laughable, and it is b/c it's inaccurate.

Bek's reasons for being pro-Israel are not the same as mine, nor are ours the same as donato's...yet you'd group us all together as " all you pro-Israel people".:rolleyes: That's retarded, and it has nothing to do w/ the specifics of my viewpoint on THIS issue...it's got to do with common sense.

[Bekim...]

it's very fucking simple, Hezbollah is in Lebanon, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.. they blow people up. Israel is sick and tired of thier shit and thats that and I don't blame them on bit I wish our country was that aggressive.. at least Israel calls and drops flyers warning people to get out before dropping bombs... does hezbollah do that? enough is enough we all need to rid the world of these people, look what they did to US!! and dont tell me they are different organizations they are the SAME SHIT.

[hightide85]

No, my being pro-Israel has nothing to do with why I think labeling all people with one particular point of view is NOT so bright. I said your labeling was laughable, and it is b/c it's inaccurate.

Bek's reasons for being pro-Israel are not the same as mine, nor are ours the same as donato's...yet you'd group us all together as " all you pro-Israel people".:rolleyes: That's retarded, and it has nothing to do w/ the specifics of my viewpoint on THIS issue...it's got to do with common sense.

You would argue that the sky wasn't blue, wouldn't you? I stand by what I said...

but you can reply to this post with some more:

blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblahblah
blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblah I'm the most annoying person on the planet blahblahblahblahblahblah do you want to kill me yet blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblah

god just jump off a cliff and do us all a favor

[TheHipHopBillGates]

it's very fucking simple, Hezbollah is in Lebanon, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.. they blow people up. Israel is sick and tired of thier shit and thats that and I don't blame them on bit I wish our country was that aggressive.. at least Israel calls and drops flyers warning people to get out before dropping bombs... does hezbollah do that? enough is enough we all need to rid the world of these people, look what they did to US!! and dont tell me they are different organizations they are the SAME SHIT.

on that line of thinking we should probably start bombing Russia, North Korea, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan etc............

[TheHipHopBillGates]

I totally agree,

but realize by saying that, it gives legitimacy to both sides..... both sides have a legitimate arguement, just like the chicken and the egg .....

i agree that both sides have very sound arguements, im trying to just get it through some thik skulls in this forum that it isnt about nuking the arabs, or getting rid of these animals, or kill them before they kill us...... that isnt chicken/egg conversation, its just racist pathetic talk due to lack of intellect.

i welcome chicken vs. egg conversations, thats what debating is all about. In the end, there wont be any change of opinion, but at least, maybe just maybe, you will learn something new about the other side

hopefully with all my posts, some people who didnt know, now know, not all muslims/lebanese/palestinians are terrorists or sympathize with terrorism, and not everything Israel does in its actions is in line with democratic, western values and principles

your wasting your breath, some of these people could see an Israeli soldier shoot a rocket launcher at a 5yr old's head and say it was because he was a terrorist without flinching.

[ShaE]

You would argue that the sky wasn't blue, wouldn't you? I stand by what I said...

but you can reply to this post with some more:

blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblahblah
blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblah I'm the most annoying person on the planet blahblahblahblahblahblah do you want to kill me yet blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblah

god just jump off a cliff and do us all a favor

If you don't want to debate the topic, don't come in the thread. Be angry somewhere else.

[TrippinFace101]

it's very fucking simple, Hezbollah is in Lebanon, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.. they blow people up. Israel is sick and tired of thier shit and thats that and I don't blame them on bit I wish our country was that aggressive.. at least Israel calls and drops flyers warning people to get out before dropping bombs... does hezbollah do that? enough is enough we all need to rid the world of these people, look what they did to US!! and dont tell me they are different organizations they are the SAME SHIT.

Agreed it is that simple u dont need to be genius to know this its just common fuckin sense :applaud

[Bekim...]

on that line of thinking we should probably start bombing Russia, North Korea, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan etc............

if we only had the balls Israel had. yes we should.

[ShaE]

if we only had the balls Israel had. yes we should.
There's a fine line between having balls and stupidity though. War on that many fronts would be insane.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

if we only had the balls Israel had. yes we should.

Do u really think Israel would be doing anything if they didn't know the US was behind them? Come on now. That's just a branch of our military. Every piece of military equipment and technology is straight from the states, oh yeah and we train their special forces.

[ghb]

. Every piece of military equipment and technology is straight from the states, oh yeah and we train their special forces.

Far from every PIECE of technology...
The training goes both ways...

Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq
Julian Borger in Washington
Tuesday December 9, 2003

Guardian

Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said yesterday.
The Israeli Defence Force (IDF) has sent urban warfare specialists to Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the home of US special forces, and according to two sources, Israeli military "consultants" have also visited Iraq.

US forces in Iraq's Sunni triangle have already begun to use tactics that echo Israeli operations in the occupied territories, sealing off centres of resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been launched against US troops.

But the secret war in Iraq is about to get much tougher, in the hope of suppressing the Ba'athist-led insurgency ahead of next November's presidential elections.

US special forces teams are already behind the lines inside Syria attempting to kill foreign jihadists before they cross the border, and a group focused on the "neutralisation" of guerrilla leaders is being set up, according to sources familiar with the operations.

"This is basically an assassination programme. That is what is being conceptualised here. This is a hunter-killer team," said a former senior US intelligence official, who added that he feared the new tactics and enhanced cooperation with Israel would only inflame a volatile situation in the Middle East.

"It is bonkers, insane. Here we are - we're already being compared to Sharon in the Arab world, and we've just confirmed it by bringing in the Israelis and setting up assassination teams."

"They are being trained by Israelis in Fort Bragg," a well-informed intelligence source in Washington said.

"Some Israelis went to Iraq as well, not to do training, but for providing consultations."

The consultants' visit to Iraq was confirmed by another US source who was in contact with American officials there.

The Pentagon did not return calls seeking comment, but a military planner, Brigadier General Michael Vane, mentioned the cooperation with Israel in a letter to Army magazine in July about the Iraq counter-insurgency campaign.

"We recently travelled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counterterrorist operations in urban areas," wrote General Vane, deputy chief of staff at the army's training and doctrine command.

An Israeli official said the IDF regularly shared its experience in the West Bank and Gaza with the US armed forces, but said he could not comment about cooperation in Iraq.

"When we do activities, the US military attaches in Tel Aviv are interested. I assume it's the same as the British. That's the way allies work. The special forces come to our people and say, do debrief on an operation we have done," the official said.

"Does it affect Iraq? It's not in our interest or the American interest or in anyone's interest to go into that. It would just fit in with jihadist prejudices."

Colonel Ralph Peters, a former army intelligence officer and a critic of Pentagon policy in Iraq, said yesterday there was nothing wrong with learning lessons wherever possible.

"When we turn to anyone for insights, it doesn't mean we blindly accept it," Col Peters said. "But I think what you're seeing is a new realism. The American tendency is to try to win all the hearts and minds. In Iraq, there are just some hearts and minds you can't win. Within the bounds of human rights, if you do make an example of certain villages it gets the attention of the others, and attacks have gone down in the area."

The new counter-insurgency unit made up of elite troops being put together in the Pentagon is called Task Force 121, New Yorker magazine reported in yesterday's edition.

One of the planners behind the offensive is a highly controversial figure, whose role is likely to inflame Muslim opinion: Lieutenant General William "Jerry" Boykin.

In October, there were calls for his resignation after he told a church congregation in Oregon that the US was at war with Satan, who "wants to destroy us as a Christian army".

"He's been promoted a rank above his abilities," he said. "Some generals are pretty good on battlefield but are disastrous nearer the source of power."

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006


Israeli weapons used by US

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/israelisystems.html


Israeli Weapons Systems Employed by the U.S.
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Israel, a small nation surrounded by enemies many times her size, has long been known as a great innovator of cutting-edge military technology at affordable costs. Over the years, Israel's ingenuity has helped it win many battles and protect the lives of its soldiers. American interest in Israeli systems is growing as the U.S. military looks for ways to decrease its spending and minimize casualties during wartime. "Made in Israel" solutions are now meeting some of America's biggest needs.

ITALD (Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy)

These jet powered, unpiloted decoys look and maneuver like an airplance. They are used to confuse enemy radar and draw the fire away from the piloted aircraft. Therefore, piloted aircraft can perform their missions under "safer" conditions because enemy radar attention is diverted and the enemy's air defense power is degraded. Earlier unpowered glider versions of the ITALD were used extensively during the initial stages of the Gulf War and in Bosnia.

Reactive Armor Tiles

These tiles, developed by the IDF after the Yom Kippur War, protect its tanks and the soldiers operating them. These tiles overlay the tank's armor and have explosives embedded in them that explode outward when hit by missiles. The explosion destroys and repels the incoming missile before it penetrates the tank's main armor. During the 1982 Lebanon war, not a single Israeli tank equipped with these tiles was lost to enemy fire. The Army has received funds to outfit several hundred armored vehicles used in peacekeeping or urban combat operations with the protective tile sets.

Litening

The Litening is a navigation and targeting device that enables aircraft to fly and target in bad weather and at night. The Litening transforms older planes into round-the-clock fighters. The Litening is equipped with two cameras. One uses heat sensors to identify targets at night and during bad weather. A second provides powerful images from long-range, and therefore safer, distances during the day. The U.S. Air National Guard, a quarter of whose fleet cannot fly at night, has purchased the Litening to enhance the capabilities of its F-16s. The Litening is also being purchased by the U.S. Marine Corps.

The Popeye/ HAVE NAP AGM-142

The HAVE NAP AGM-142, known as the Popeye, is used to destroy targets, such as concrete military bunkers, with exceptional precision from great distances. It is the only air-to-ground missile that can be retargeted after launch. The United States uses the Popeye on B-52 bombers. A small number of these aircraft, armed with the Popeye, were deployed to Europe for use in Kosovo. The Popeye's unique capabilities are especially useful for the types of pinpoint strikes seen in Operation Allied Force.

UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles)

The introduction of the UAV has been one of the most important factors enabling the United States to fight effective air wars with a minimum of casualties. Today, the United States has one of the largest fleets of Israeli-made UAVs. UAVs are used to identify targets and assess bomb damage without putting pilots at risk. During the Gulf War, as well as in Kosovo, Israeli-made Pioneer and Hunter UAVs were used to stop hard-to-detect targets such as missile launchers, artillery units and command and control bunkers. This information enabled commanders to target their aircraft to destroy these sites.

Python-4-Air-to-Air Missile

The Python-4 is recognized as the world' most advanced short-range air-to-air missile. Unlike other missiles of its kind, the Python can fire at targets from any angle, not just those directly in front of it. This gives it a much larger zone in which in can effectively destroy enemy aircraft.

Army/Ground
Simon: A system used to access buildings with locked or barricaded doors without endangering U.S. troops or the people inside.
AN/PRC-149 Radio Set and AN/URT-140 Radio Beacon Set: Radio sets signal search and rescue satellites, which in turn beam the location of lost personnel to every receiving station within range.
SINCGARS Tactical Communications: Employing a number of high-tech Israeli electronic components, this is the most widely used tactical radio in the U.S. Army inventory.
Marine Amphibious Vehicle Armor Upgrade: An add-on layer of non-reactive armor tiles, this system greatly improves the survivability of U.S. Marine Corps amphibious assault vehicles.
Mine Plows: Both the U.S. army and the Marine Corps have attached these armored plows to the front end of their tanks, enabling the lead tank in a column to push land mines aside, thus allowing safe passage for the rest of the vehicles.
CLAMS: Used by U.S. Marine Corps tank crews in the Gulf War, this system enabled columns of tanks to navigate safely through enemy minefields.
UZI 9mm Submachine Gun: The U.S. Secret Service currently uses this world-renowned automatic weapon.
B300/SMAW Bunker-Busting Missile: The U.S. Marine Corps procured this missile for use in destroying deeply buried and hardened concrete-reinforced bunkers.
Towed Assault Bridge: Both the U.S. Army and Marine Corp attached these devices to their tanks, enabling a single tank to cross obstacles up to approximately 30 feet wide without any additional assistance.
Naval
Pioneer UAV: Used in Kosovo, this remote-controlled surveillance aircraft enables operators to see targets and conduct bomb damage assessment day or night, and through smoke, fog or dust.
Tactical Air-Launched Decoy: The TALD, used extensively by the U.S. Navy in the Gulf war, is an unpowered glider used to confuse and thwart enemy ground and airborne radar operators, thus protecting U.S. pilots.
Vertical Launch System (VLS): Used extensively by the U.S. Navy in the Gulf war, these launchers sent sea-to-sea, sea-to-air, and anti-submarine and Tomahawk cruise missiles from the bellies of the U.S. Navy cruisers into action against Iraqi targets.
Air Warfare
Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System: This system allows fighter pilots to target enemy aircraft by using a display within their helmet to guide the missiles at the target they are looking at, rather than having to maneuver their aircraft into an attack position.
Night Targeting System (NTS): The NTS is used on U.S. Marine Corps Cobra attack helicopters and allows the Cobra pilots to operate day or night, in good and bad weather. It also provides automatic targeting, easing the gunner's workload in flight.
Helicopter Crash Survival Seats: These seats drastically reduce the effects of a helicopter crash by absorbing much of the crash's energy, resulting in fewer injuries and fatalities.
Light Defender SEAD System: Designed to suppress enemy air defense capabilities, this highly versatile precision munition can find and destroy enemy air defenses even when they are non-transmitting or silent. It can also be retargeted in flight.
600 Gallon Fuel Tanks: This external fuel tank greatly increases the range of U.S. and Israeli F-16 fighter-bombers.
Kfir Fighter Aircraft: Designed and developed in Israel in the early 1980s, this fighter was loaned to the United States for use in simulated combat missions and training.

[ShaE]

Do u really think Israel would be doing anything if they didn't know the US was behind them? Come on now. That's just a branch of our military. Every piece of military equipment and technology is straight from the states, oh yeah and we train their special forces.
B/c it serves our interests as well. What other option does Israel have though? I mean sure I think they're more brazen knowing we're around, but I highly doubt they'd resist fighting even if we weren't.

[Defekted]

your wasting your breath, some of these people could see an Israeli soldier shoot a rocket launcher at a 5yr old's head and say it was because he was a terrorist without flinching.

Your right, im developing Carpal Tunnel syndrome posting on this thread, lol... and I havent seen any fruit to my labor.... gonna have to retire soon :disappoin

[hightide85]

If you don't want to debate the topic, don't come in the thread. Be angry somewhere else.

you are debating my personal opinion on the pro-israel people in this thread. You called it laughable, but I'm not the only one that thinks that at all. I've been debating the topic...I made the fucking thread.

[ShaE]

you are debating my personal opinion on the pro-israel people in this thread. You called it laughable, but I'm not the only one that thinks that at all. I've been debating the topic...I made the fucking thread.
Then don't be so angry :shrugger

If you're just going to be personally nasty, avoid me like you asked me to avoid you.

[Bekim...]

Do u really think Israel would be doing anything if they didn't know the US was behind them? Come on now. That's just a branch of our military. Every piece of military equipment and technology is straight from the states, oh yeah and we train their special forces.

true true but Israel does develop and make some SICK weapons, like the gun that shoots around corners and the desert eagle hand cannon... and the moussad is NO JOKE

[TheHipHopBillGates]

true true but Israel does develop and make some SICK weapons, like the gun that shoots around corners and the desert eagle hand cannon... and the moussad is NO JOKE

Most everything is US developed, and that sad thing is we play both sides of the fence, all of Saudi Arabia's military is a US shell too.