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DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 10:19 AM
message posted by another user and im curious to see you're responses:



"Not to challenge you guys, but more to understand your perspective. I know that our world, especially the United States is known for excess., especially in food. We have super sized meals, all you can eat buffets, and super tasty and fattening candies and chocolates. These are extremes of a negative lifestyle. However, fitness/bodybuilding is taken the other extreme sometimes.

Basically you guys deprive yourself of tasty and sometimes natural foods which are meant to be enjoyed. Having a few Oreos now and then, alright. Having a nice slice or two of pumpkin pie with whipped creme for Thanksgiving, alright... but I see so many of you crave and really seem to freak out because you can't eat sweets. I understand during a bulking cycle you can loosen up a little bit., but basically you are tearing your bodies down through working out, and building them up with quality weight through low carbs/low sat. fats, and extremely high protein diets. Where does it end for you?

Ultimately we all grow all and come 60, 70, or 80 years old and lose all the muscle, all the definition we worked hard for, for so many decades, and in that process depriving ourselves of many tasty and satisfying meals and EVEN social situations (some bodybuilders social life suffers because they can't get their meals. etc), but at the same time not going OVERboard of course, and becoming obese. I KNOW that there are a few exceptions and some people look great and keep some of their muscle in their later years, but you don't see it too often. The body, like the mind gets old, and we all eventually die,, nobody is immortal.

I've always been a big supporter of balance and moderation, but it almost seems as most people involved in fitness/bodybuilding take things to the extreme: extreme amounts of protein, water, tryin to eat half a dozen small meals in a day. eating a carton of eggs (white) for one meal, etc. In bodybuilding it's even worse, especially "professional", with the contestants taking an incredible amount of steroids to get that thick freaky look, as well as the superior vascularity which helps bring out their cuts. I know not ALL bodybuilders are like this, but it could be classified as an extreme sport.

I understand the lifestyle promotes healthy living through diet and exercise, of course as long as you dont use anabolic enhancements (steroids, GH), but I see people get to extremely low levels of bodyfat purely for asthetic purposes.

Consider this thread more of a sociological inquiry than an attempt to start an argument. After all, I do the same thing often times, especially if I have to cut down or bulk, etc. But, sometimes I wonder if all the work is truly worth it. I mean, if health is a priority you could very well:

- eat 3 meals a day (breakfast, lunch, dinner), and have them be well rounded with grains, protein, veggies, fruit, etc.
- drink .5 gallon of water a day. this should provide sufficient fluids to flush out the kidneys and promote hydration
- having a dessert after lunch and dinner (I think as long as you are physically active and keep the metabolism high, these 2 treats won't have a tremendous effect on health)
- doing 20-30 mins of some sort of cardio activity a day to promote good respitatory circulation.


Maybe fitness/bodybuilding is a very extreme sport and it's very purpose is to make people extraordinary so when people look at him/her they say to themselves, "wow he must workout!" (lol I know this is from Dumb & Dumber). So I was wondering if you all agreed with this, or does this just become an obession where you aren't ever satisfied with the amount of weight you can lift, or the % of bodyfat you are. After all, if you want to be healthy you don't necessarily have to take these sort of extreme measures.
"

GINZ
10-18-2006, 10:30 AM
I work out because I grew up as an obese and unhealthy kid.
I spent the first 14 years of my life fat and i refuse to ever let myself go back to that.
I've had enough Oreos and Pumpkin pie to last me a lifetime. I dont even crave that crap anymore. 90% of the food I injest has a positive purpose...high in protein, etc...
The most Ill usually indulge in is some pizza from time to time...its my weakness, lol

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 10:35 AM
I go to the gym for very similar reasons. I used to be very soft and pudgy. Although I played sports and such, I never worked out and it showed. About 3.5 years ago I began to work out and I doubt I will ever stop. I work out because I crave it. I crave the feeling of moving iron and sweating buckets. I ENJOY training and i love the soreness afterwards. Its all for a goal. I am not a pro bodybuildier. My opinion, is that IF you wish to pursue this lifestyle as a pro, it requires 110 % commitment, not a once in awhile half hearted effort.
Live it. Breathe it. This is not just for this thread, but in any pursuit in life. If your going to do it, do it all the way...or don't do it at all. You don't follow your nutrition plan "sometimes". You follow it ALL the time. You don't go to the gym "when you feel like it", you go because it "calls to you". I didn't go to the gym tonight to check out the girls, or talk on my cell phone as I jogged steadily on the treadmill. I went to sweat. And I did...buckets. I went to train. AND I did. Like a Beast. And you know something...I enjoyed every ounce of sweat, and tomorrow, I'll enjoy every sore muscle...I have a goal. I have a mission. I have a plan.

Tini
10-18-2006, 10:45 AM
I f**kin hate exercise. I'm sorry, I'm being honest here. lol. I hate working out. I'm not used to it, so it's sooo hard to get into a routine and be able to say that I love it, like everyone else.

I'm in school and work full-time - I leave my house at 8am and don't get home until 9pm. I find myself too busy or exhausted to work-out. But I am trying. I really want to make fitness a part of my life. I'm actually underweight now (108 lbs at 5'3") so I don't have to go for weight loss. I need to be able to keep "good" weight on. I want to be healthy and stay in shape. I have a slipped disc in my lower back and sciatica, which makes my calves soooo tight. That is the main reason I want to start going... to alleviate that pain and avoid surgery. And I think if I get into the practice of working out, my mind and health will be better overall. So... it's taking me some time to get into it, but I will... I'm trying. :shuffle

Lance Burkhart
10-18-2006, 10:49 AM
cuz im locked into a 3 year agreement at ballys....haha, jk, i go because i played sports all my life so physical activity has always been a way of life. I feel and look healthier when I work out regularly plus I'd be lying if I said vanity isnt a major influence as well.

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 10:51 AM
i admire your want to still go even tho you get home late and are tired. that right there is enough to get you going.

if you need help with a simple routine for a 25-30 min wrkout, let us know im sure we can help

MikeyB
10-18-2006, 11:34 AM
ive eaten 2 dozen oreos over the past 2 nights!!

one reason i go is vuz i alwyas played sports and now that im older i dont really play that much anymore--this is one way to translate....

i also get obsessed with the way i look i guess

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 11:35 AM
i had a few oreos last night lol.

J. Martin
10-18-2006, 11:37 AM
I go to the gym because I appreciate the importance of physical fitness for overall health. I was also the fat kid when I was younger. Plus, my clothes are mostly form fitting. I'd have to buy all new shit if I got fat again. The bonus is that I can eat whatever I want, or even sit on my ass for a couple weeks, and never be more than a few weeks of training and diet tightening, from getting right back where I wanna be.

Funjen
10-18-2006, 11:50 AM
I go to the gym because I like to live an active lifestyle, I have always been that way. I was really underweight growing up (until puberty that is lol) so I don't have any past history to use as a motivator. If I don't go to the gym I feel much less energetic and I notice my mood changes as well.

I go to the gym mainly to look and feel good fron the inside and out. IMO there is no excuse to not excercise other than laziness. Going to the gym allows me to zone out and blow off any stress or aggravation I am dealing with. Its my "me time".

MikeyB
10-18-2006, 12:02 PM
i had a few oreos last night lol.

i go on serious oreo kicks lol--then i wont have them for a while

snowangel
10-18-2006, 12:06 PM
I feel and look healthier when I work out regularly plus I'd be lying if I said vanity isnt a major influence as well.



Same here, although it sucks that I leave my house at 7:45 AM and don't get home til after 8PM..on the rare days that I don't go to the gym after work, I feel like I have SO much more time in the evening to relax, hang out w/my bf, etc...but if I don't go, I get pudgy and I feel/look out of shape. It's just something I add to my schedule and stick to.

I hate those people that don't have to work out :disappoin not fair

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 12:11 PM
i leave for work at 6, get home around 5 and i am at the gym by 5:30. usually, when i do cardio + weights, im home by 7:15-7:30 so its not SO bad for me

after reading all these posts i cant wait to hit the gym tonight!

Coco69
10-18-2006, 12:18 PM
Started going again. Had to take a break.

Reasoning: Vanity and health/energy. I was never a fat kid, but I want to maintain fit before aging takes away gravity.

TheHipHopBillGates
10-18-2006, 12:21 PM
goto the gym or get fat, pretty simple both my parents are heavy and I have no desire to get like that.

FDB
10-18-2006, 12:55 PM
I have been lifting for about 9 years now.. started around 18 when i graduated HS.. same as many others played sports all through childhood and through school even some in college.. But the main reason was cause i was not playing sports 24/7 anymore so i joined a gym.. been very serious though for the last 3 years.. actually was gonna compete last year for the first time but got strept throat 5 weeks out.. i may be lookin to compete a year from now.. we will see..

good thread!!

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 01:02 PM
awesome FDB. wat are ur stats now?

just b u
10-18-2006, 01:10 PM
Same here, although it sucks that I leave my house at 7:45 AM and don't get home til after 8PM..on the rare days that I don't go to the gym after work, I feel like I have SO much more time in the evening to relax, hang out w/my bf, etc...but if I don't go, I get pudgy and I feel/look out of shape. It's just something I add to my schedule and stick to.

I hate those people that don't have to work out :disappoin not fair
there are no pple like that, EVERYONE should work out.

I work out because it makes me feel good to take care of myself, i like to feel tight muscle and tone. I like to sweat like a pig, give me a high!!!! while i'm alive i want my body to be at its full physical capacity, so my body doesnt stop me from doin anything i wanna do but will only enable me.

Al Coholic
10-18-2006, 01:11 PM
I go to the gym to sweat the alcohol out.

James Maxx
10-18-2006, 01:13 PM
I go to the gym not just to look good but for the health benefits. I sit on my ass all day in front of a computer and the gym is the only real activity I have. The human body is made to move around, not sit sedentary. Im also older than many of you here and Ive noticed my metabolism slowing down so its harder for me to keep the fat down but I don't give up.

It is unfortunate in this country going to the gym is considered somewhat of a luxury, but it should be a necessity to everyone. Running on a treadmill for 30 minutes a day will help stop many preventable diseases. Even if you don't look like Mr. Olympia that alone should be motivation.

As for diet, yea I love food but you can still eat healthy without sacrificing yourself. My protein shakes taste great, grilled chicken sandwiches, diet iced tea and egg white omelettes are not bad at all.

FDB
10-18-2006, 03:18 PM
awesome FDB. wat are ur stats now?

As of this morning LOL.. 198 @ 5'10. 32inch waist.. Im doin a natural bulk right now. its real hard trying to get to at least 205-210 within the next 4 months or so.. but ill see.. i would compete at 185 though.. ur also on the jp board aswell. i think we spoke in the past on that board aswell.. im carmine09 LOL..

What about u bro!! stats?

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 03:20 PM
As of this morning LOL.. 198 @ 5'10. 32inch waist.. Im doin a natural bulk right now. its real hard trying to get to at least 205-210 within the next 4 months or so.. but ill see.. i would compete at 185 though.. ur also on the jp board aswell. i think we spoke in the past on that board aswell.. im carmine09 LOL..

What about u bro!! stats?
yea im on JPE too.


uhm my stats are 5'11 @ 185 with a 33" waist. justy eating for maintenance right now but eating clean. lots of oats and chicken and eggs. i prob will never compete, just workout for personal satisfaction

J. Martin
10-18-2006, 03:22 PM
5'5, 135, 30 inch waist. Whut! :chuckle

FDB
10-18-2006, 03:27 PM
yea im on JPE too.


uhm my stats are 5'11 @ 185 with a 33" waist. justy eating for maintenance right now but eating clean. lots of oats and chicken and eggs. i prob will never compete, just workout for personal satisfaction

yea i here ya.. ive been an eating machine but all clean foods.. and walking around with a gallon of water all day.. i think its been like 6 weeks ive been eating eggs/oats/cottage cheese for breakfast then rice galore w/ chicken or fish with salad all through out the day.. im not to big on supps. try to get as many calories as i can with foods for right now.. just big shake at night as my last meal.. but u def. always have good shit to say!! :lifting .. you belong to any BB boards??

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 03:32 PM
yea im on a few. on on weights on the web and i browse a ton others. which one u on

MikeyB
10-18-2006, 03:35 PM
while we are throwing #'s around im at 6' and 240--my waist is a 35 or so, i have never done a hard core diet-i just eat alot :chuckle
but sometime in the near future i plan on going on a hard core diet and see how my body can transform

FDB
10-18-2006, 03:35 PM
yea im on a few. on on weights on the web and i browse a ton others. which one u on

BB.com and anabolic review.. mostly for research dont really post to much on them..

FDB
10-18-2006, 03:38 PM
while we are throwing #'s around im at 6' and 240--my waist is a 35 or so, i have never done a hard core diet-i just eat alot :chuckle
but sometime in the near future i plan on going on a hard core diet and see how my body can transform

WOW.. u be a big dude.. if thats u in the avatar.. u prob dont have to diet to hard.. just tweek it up a lil.. and im sure ull be in good shape!! but those r some nice numbers!!

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 03:47 PM
do you guys train for strength? agility?

MikeyB
10-18-2006, 03:57 PM
WOW.. u be a big dude.. if thats u in the avatar.. u prob dont have to diet to hard.. just tweek it up a lil.. and im sure ull be in good shape!! but those r some nice numbers!!

thanx bro--yeah i have never gotten my stomach tight tight, but i dont have great genetics either, and liek i said i have never gone to extreme with dieting--which hopefully i will get to that point at least for a few months to see if my body starts reacting to it

MikeyB
10-18-2006, 03:58 PM
do you guys train for strength? agility?

it's alwyas fun to throw up big #'s, but with certain exercises i have gotten to the point where i dont wanna hurt myself--but every month or so i will see where im at

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-18-2006, 04:25 PM
it's alwyas fun to throw up big #'s, but with certain exercises i have gotten to the point where i dont wanna hurt myself--but every month or so i will see where im at
yea to me its about form over weight.

FDB
10-18-2006, 04:50 PM
I used to lift for strength probably as every novice will do in the beg. but now its all abot technique and gettin the best pump possible for me.. i do alot of decently heavy drop sets. But this is what works for me!! everyone is diff.

Suzie*Q
10-18-2006, 08:28 PM
The gym is my release. I don't smoke anymore, I dont over eat and I rarely go out anymore. So the gym is where I escape stress. Its therapeutic for me. I was always obsessed with something in life, whether it was food, partying or smoking cigarettes.
So now my obsession lies in the gym, thank God for it.
:heart

Cher
10-18-2006, 09:38 PM
bc i work there. lol


seriously- bc i played sports when i was younger and grew up with my brothers having a weight room in the basement. plus, being in the gym , cant explain it, but i love it. love working there and even after i contemplated leaving the industry, i came to terms with the fact that i absolutely love what i do and am great at it. :)

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-19-2006, 10:30 AM
its great to see why everyone goes! its a lifestyle that i would never change!

robby cano
10-19-2006, 11:25 AM
- my time alone
- stress relief
- i enjoy my time in there

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-19-2006, 11:27 AM
- my time alone
- stress relief
- i enjoy my time in there
short...and sweet.

crazyray™
10-19-2006, 08:45 PM
I posted this in the LEGS thread i made by mistake last night, it should be in here

My little brother (also a crazy gym rat) has this up as his away message on AIM right now, I guess a great way to start my post: ""As I got older and life got harder, the gym became my outlet. Regardless of what happened on any given day, that 1 to 2 hours that I'd spend in the gym was my time and no one could take that away from me. If something was heavy on my mind and I couldn't sleep, you might have found me in a gym somewhere with the music cranked up and me banging away. The gym has never let me down. You get out of it, what you put into it."

When I started hardcore training around Thanksgiving of 05, it was for alot of reasons. First and foremost, I needed a release from all of the horrible shit that had happened in my life. Early in the year a bout with mono had left me in the worst health of my life... I had an awful breakup with an ex-girlfriend that destroyed my self-esteem and happiness... and worst and most influential - my best friend died of cancer on 9/14/05. I was just sitting around for the most part feeling sorry for myself. I was 6'2, 155 pounds, and I felt 100x worse then I looked.

My little brother constantly joked with me about how I looked like shit, and I knew that he cared about me enough to get me into the gym. So I started. I was self concious as hell rolling into a gym where I was one of the weakest people there... but I knew I had to start somewhere. I was sick of waking up in the morning and running into the shower without looking in the mirror because of how GOD DAMN AWFUL my body looked. It literally made me disgusted. After going through all I did, I knew the only way to rise up was to hard on myself.

I mainly did free-weights to build my strength. In 4 months with the help of a ton of eating, sleeping, and going heavy I was up 30 pounds to 185. A few weeks later I hit my all-time high of 193 (which is actually where im pretty close to now... maybe .5 pounds off). Either way, over the course of those 4 months, my life changed.

Every day I knew no matter what kind of stuff pissed me off, I could go to the gym and just rip for 2 hours. My self-esteem went through the roof, I finally got over my ex-girlfriend, and I was no longer afraid of looking at myself in the mirror. I started going out again, and my life fell back into place shortly. Its amazing how just pounding the weights can change a life, but I am the prime example. Right now, I am one of the happiest people I know, but I do need those 5-6 days in the gym to feel complete. If I miss a day, i'm usually perturbed and my confidence drops a little.

In my current state, the gym is all about me continuing sustaining a great life for me, because its more then looks, it keeps me in balance, focused, and is the GREATEST release.

Simply stated, the gym IS A NECESSITY

woo
10-20-2006, 02:45 AM
i was afflicted with anorexia @ age 11. i got it under control by age 14 by reading as much as i could on metabolism...
without realizing, i found a way out of it.
i recently lost 15 lbs (in like 3 weeks), i JUST gained 5 of it back. that shyt creeps up on me and i don't even realize it.

i need to consciously practice diet and exercise routines to keep my eating disorder @ bay.
i focus on proper metabolic proportions such as my water, salt, sugar, protein, types of fat, vitamins, (and timing therein). in the gym i am VERY big on flexibility, balance, and form. i am big on sleep as well.

so i don't step foot in the gym if i am not properly nourished and rested- problem is i need to realize when i am nourished (anorexia is blinding)
__
im @ like 115ish now. 5'3". altho it LOOKS right i dont like how i tip over when i lift heavy objects :whatnow

im also too close for my own comfort... :chatterin

STARSS7
10-20-2006, 07:16 AM
i was afflicted with anorexia @ age 11. i got it under control by age 14 by reading as much as i could on metabolism...
without realizing, i found a way out of it.
i recently lost 15 lbs (in like 3 weeks), i JUST gained 5 of it back. that shyt creeps up on me and i don't even realize it.

i need to consciously practice diet and exercise routines to keep my eating disorder @ bay.
i focus on proper metabolic proportions such as my water, salt, sugar, protein, types of fat, vitamins, (and timing therein). in the gym i am VERY big on flexibility, balance, and form. i am big on sleep as well.

so i don't step foot in the gym if i am not properly nourished and rested- problem is i need to realize when i am nourished (anorexia is blinding)
__
im @ like 115ish now. 5'3". altho it LOOKS right i dont like how i tip over when i lift heavy objects :whatnow

im also too close for my own comfort... :chatterin

Great job coping with Anorexia, U should really be proud of yourself!! :agree
I go to the gym because it makes me feel good about myself, its routine, and if i miss a day i really feel like SHIT! it also helps with stress, its a release, i can be MISERABLE, go to the gym, and leave happy and feeling better. I love, REALLY LOVE, the gym.

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 08:18 AM
i was afflicted with anorexia @ age 11. i got it under control by age 14 by reading as much as i could on metabolism...
without realizing, i found a way out of it.
i recently lost 15 lbs (in like 3 weeks), i JUST gained 5 of it back. that shyt creeps up on me and i don't even realize it.

i need to consciously practice diet and exercise routines to keep my eating disorder @ bay.
i focus on proper metabolic proportions such as my water, salt, sugar, protein, types of fat, vitamins, (and timing therein). in the gym i am VERY big on flexibility, balance, and form. i am big on sleep as well.

so i don't step foot in the gym if i am not properly nourished and rested- problem is i need to realize when i am nourished (anorexia is blinding)
__
im @ like 115ish now. 5'3". altho it LOOKS right i dont like how i tip over when i lift heavy objects :whatnow

im also too close for my own comfort... :chatterin
im amazed woo.

i have a similar problem, but quite the oposite

i suffer from "body dysmprohia" i looked it up and it states "no matter how much weight loss, or gain in terms of a specific goal, the person will always see the 'old' look instead of the new and improved." this rings very much true for me cause i was never really 'fat' just soft cause i never used to work out. and only until recently have i actrually broken thru that visual and started to see myself as i am today. its very hard to break that train of thought causei t was with me for so long.

woo
10-20-2006, 10:47 AM
Great job coping with Anorexia, U should really be proud of yourself!! :agree
I go to the gym because it makes me feel good about myself, its routine, and if i miss a day i really feel like SHIT! it also helps with stress, its a release, i can be MISERABLE, go to the gym, and leave happy and feeling better. I love, REALLY LOVE, the gym.

thanQ and i am.. but i can't dwell and celebrate bc once i do it creeps up again :chatterin
gym is def a good structure maintainer (where u said routine) which is imp. for the psyche as well.
the endorphines are the icing on the cake!

woo
10-20-2006, 11:01 AM
im amazed woo.

i have a similar problem, but quite the oposite

i suffer from "body dysmprohia" i looked it up and it states "no matter how much weight loss, or gain in terms of a specific goal, the person will always see the 'old' look instead of the new and improved." this rings very much true for me cause i was never really 'fat' just soft cause i never used to work out. and only until recently have i actrually broken thru that visual and started to see myself as i am today. its very hard to break that train of thought causei t was with me for so long.

it's really not about losing weight for appearance with me. first my aunt died, i was fat for a few years, then my dad had a heart attack (he was 39) and within little time i became scared of eating. i hit the books hardcore for my age bc i was driven to understand my dad's condition- where cardiovascular health is a focal point in the gym (it should be at least- thats y i bitch so much about fat burners).
now once i got into it there was no turning back as far as body science studies go. i learned how to connect it to my own health and save myself in decent time. i seen chix throughout HS and college deal with issues i was able to nip in the bud in freshman year of HS,

the thing with anorexia is that u put urself in starvation mode, when ur starving ur body releases endorphines. it's a survival mechanism to help the body and mind cope with malnourishment as much as possible to search for more food. u need energy to do that so as the body digests itself u get the same high as u do from an orgasm or from working out. well we aren't in the woods so when ur malnourished and there is food all around u, things get really fucked up in the head. so when id start eating from a fast, the endorphines do down and that's the basis for the downward spiral with anorexia. sex and gym (i do the gym more lol) are my salvation from this disease bc of endorphine release.

the complimentary downward spiral effect if in the process of losing weight, it occurs rather quickly when u fast, so the skin gets loose. the looser the skin the more it moves around THAT FATTER U FEEL. it's fucking horrible.


now this is where i connect with what u just said... once u program anorexic metabolism in your body, you are diseased for life. just like alcoholism. a relapse (usually due to stress) can occur and not be stimulated by the need to have control over appearance. it's a disease where, in my case, i do NOT like the outcomes and i need to catch myself in that behavior mode if i want to live. shyt is serious it will kill.


now i still see myself as if i were 20. probably bc i just recieved my first wrinkle under each eye. i think one crow's toe on each eye may be next :suspicion
im the black sheep in my family who is refusing to age... i can't see myself wher ei am today even if i tried its really hard! :silly

MikeyB
10-20-2006, 11:08 AM
i suffer from "body dysmprohia" .

i can def relate to that

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 11:16 AM
it's really not about losing weight for appearance with me. first my aunt died, i was fat for a few years, then my dad had a heart attack (he was 39) and within little time i became scared of eating. i hit the books hardcore for my age bc i was driven to understand my dad's condition- where cardiovascular health is a focal point in the gym (it should be at least- thats y i bitch so much about fat burners).
now once i got into it there was no turning back as far as body science studies go. i learned how to connect it to my own health and save myself in decent time. i seen chix throughout HS and college deal with issues i was able to nip in the bud in freshman year of HS,

the thing with anorexia is that u put urself in starvation mode, when ur starving ur body releases endorphines. it's a survival mechanism to help the body and mind cope with malnourishment as much as possible to search for more food. u need energy to do that so as the body digests itself u get the same high as u do from an orgasm or from working out. well we aren't in the woods so when ur malnourished and there is food all around u, things get really fucked up in the head. so when id start eating from a fast, the endorphines do down and that's the basis for the downward spiral with anorexia. sex and gym (i do the gym more lol) are my salvation from this disease bc of endorphine release.

the complimentary downward spiral effect if in the process of losing weight, it occurs rather quickly when u fast, so the skin gets loose. the looser the skin the more it moves around THAT FATTER U FEEL. it's fucking horrible.


now this is where i connect with what u just said... once u program anorexic metabolism in your body, you are diseased for life. just like alcoholism. a relapse (usually due to stress) can occur and not be stimulated by the need to have control over appearance. it's a disease where, in my case, i do NOT like the outcomes and i need to catch myself in that behavior mode if i want to live. shyt is serious it will kill.


now i still see myself as if i were 20. probably bc i just recieved my first wrinkle under each eye. i think one crow's toe on each eye may be next :suspicion
im the black sheep in my family who is refusing to age... i can't see myself wher ei am today even if i tried its really hard! :silly
no wonder you are so educated in these fields. i really admire your input woo and i appreciate you posting here!

woo
10-20-2006, 11:25 AM
no wonder you are so educated in these fields. i really admire your input woo and i appreciate you posting here!

wow im tickled pink :keke

thanQ!

u make it easy to post here b/c u don't get assholic at all.
:WINK

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 11:28 AM
wow im tickled pink :keke

thanQ!

u make it easy to post here b/c u don't get assholic at all.
:WINK

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5296/loveyousmiley1rm.gif

woo
10-20-2006, 11:34 AM
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5296/loveyousmiley1rm.gif

:lifting:content

u got that real women deadlift image anywhere? i wanna put it up on myspace lol

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 11:41 AM
of course.


you deadlift?
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6844/womendlur2.gif

woo
10-20-2006, 11:48 AM
hell no... im into lightweight. higher reps.

the general time i max weights is when im menstruating.


thanQ i dunno i find it aDORable :silly

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 11:50 AM
haha, shes jacked tho.

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 11:53 AM
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/729/hasj5.gif

woo
10-20-2006, 11:56 AM
:ROTFL noW that's meathead status

bling... where u @ :whip

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 11:57 AM
http://www.cafepress.com/musclehedz/1273716

woo
10-20-2006, 12:17 PM
pwahhhhhhhahahaahahah :floor
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4607/cardiosuxqu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 12:28 PM
pwahhhhhhhahahaahahah :floor
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4607/cardiosuxqu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
i love that one. it was my icon before the deadlift one

woo
10-20-2006, 12:33 PM
i believe i was inactive @ the time u joined.

DEEPER KEMICAL
10-20-2006, 12:35 PM
when u joined i thought u were black.
(i know i told u this already)

not that theres anything wrong with that.

just b u
10-20-2006, 01:21 PM
i can def relate to that
i just wanna throw this out there, in one of my psych classes i've learnt from my prof that a lot users of steroids have body dysmorphia. havent read any studies about it but it does sound feasable.

woo
10-20-2006, 01:33 PM
when u joined i thought u were black.
(i know i told u this already)

not that theres anything wrong with that.

no matter what where or how, the first impressions i give are off... im used to it :WINK

layla
10-21-2006, 12:12 AM
I go to the gym so I can eat more yummy foooood!! :yipee

robby cano
10-21-2006, 12:36 AM
posta pic