Pro-american Iranians are counting on Bush!!

[jameznyhc]

Great article written by a pro western Iranian .. defeckted and shae be prepared for an education this was taken from a Iranians for a free Iran.. This are the types of Muslims that will defeat jihadists but they need our support as do the Sinoira govt in lebanon does...


Iran Is at War with Us, Someone Should Tell the U.S. Government



Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, is dying of cancer. But he is convinced that his legacy will be glorious. He believes that thousands of his Revolutionary Guards intelligence officers effectively control southern Iraq, and that the rest of the country is at his mercy, since we present no challenge to them — even along the Iraq/Iran border, where they operate with impunity. They calmly plan their next major assault without having to worry about American retribution.

The mullahs have thousands of intelligence officers all over Iraq, as well as a hard core of Hezbollah terrorists — including the infamous Imadh Mughniyah, arguably the region’s most dangerous killer — and they control the major actors, from Zarqawi to Sadr to the Badr Brigades.

Khamenei and his top cronies believe they have effectively won. They think the U.S. is politically paralyzed, thanks to the relentless attacks of President Bush’s opponents and the five-year long internal debate about Iran policy, and thus there is no chance of an armed attack, even one limited to nuclear sites. They think Israel is similarly paralyzed by Sharon’s sudden departure and the triumph of their surrogate force, Hamas, in the Palestinian elections. They despise the Europeans, and hardly even bother to pretend to negotiate with them any more. They believe they have a strong strategic alliance with the Russians and they think they have the Chinese over a barrel, since the Chinese are so heavily dependent on Iranian oil. Recent statements from Beijing and Moscow regarding the chance of U.N. sanctions will have reinforced the Supreme Leader’s convictions.

Hapless in the Beltway
Above all, Khamenei believes he has broken the American will, for which he sees two pieces of evidence. The first is that there seems to be very little American resolve to do anything about punishing Iran for the enormous traffic of weapons, poisons, and terrorists into Iraq from Iran. Khamenei must inclined to believe that the Bush administration has no stomach for confrontation.

We have done nothing to make the mullahs’ lives more difficult, even though there is abundant evidence for Iranian involvement in Iraq, most including their relentless efforts to kill American soldiers. The evidence consists of first-hand information, not intelligence reports. Scores of Iranian intelligence officers have been arrested, and some have confessed. Documentary evidence of intimate Iranian involvement with Iraqi terrorists has been found all over Iraq, notably in Fallujah and Hilla. But the "intelligence" folks at the Pentagon, led by the hapless Secretary Stephen Cambone, seem to have no curiosity, as if they were afraid of following the facts to their logical conclusion: Iran is at war with us.

In early March, to take one recent example, several vehicles crossed from Iranian Kurdistan into Iraqi Kurdistan. The Iraqis stopped them. There was a firefight. The leader of the intruding group was captured and is now in prison, held by one of the Kurdish factions. The Kurds say that the vehicles contained poison gas, which they have in their possession. They say they informed the Turks, who said they did not want to know anything about it (the Turks don’t want anything to do with the Kurds, period, and they shrink from confrontation with the mullahs).

The Kurds holding this man say that he confessed to working for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Apparently they have his confession. They say they are willing to make him available to U.S. military personnel. But the Pentagon, which has all this information, has not pursued the matter. This is just one of many cases in which the Iranians believe they see the Americans running away from confrontation.

The second encouraging sign for Khamenei is the barely concealed delight in Washington, including Secretary Rice’s recent statement at a press conference, that we will soon be negotiating with Iran about Iraq. This mission has been entrusted to Ambassador Khalilzad, who previously worked with the Iranians when he represented us in Kabul. It is a bad decision, and it is very hard to explain. The best one can say is that Khalilzad speaks Farsi, so he will know what they are saying, and it is probably better to have public dealings than the secret contacts this administration has been conducting all along. But those small bright spots do not compensate for the terrible costs the very announcement of negotiations produces for us, for the Iranian people, and for the region as a whole.

Talk Does Not Thwart
Iran has been at war with us for 27 years, and we have discussed every imaginable subject with them. We have gained nothing, because there is nothing to be gained by talking with an enemy who thinks he is winning. From Khamenei’s standpoint, the only thing to be negotiated is the terms of the American surrender, and he is certainly not the only Middle Eastern leader to take this view; most of the leaders in the region dread the power of the mullahs — now on the doorstep of nuclear military weapons — and they see the same picture as Khamenei: America does nothing to thwart Iran, and is now publicly willing to talk. In like manner, many Iranians will conclude that Bush is going to make a deal with Khamenei instead of giving them the support they want and need to challenge the regime.

If this administration were true to its announced principles, we would be actively supporting democratic revolution in Iran, but we do not seem to be serious about doing that. Yes, Secretary Rice went to Congress to ask for an extra $75 million to "support democracy" in Iran, but the small print shows that the first $50 million will go to the toothless tigers at the Voice of America and other official American broadcasters, which is to say to State Department employees. The Foreign Service does not often drive revolutionary movements; its business is negotiating with foreign governments, not subverting them. There were whispers that we were supporting trade unions in Iran, which would be very good news, but such efforts should be handled by private-sector organizations, not by the American government per se.

Yet this seems a particularly good moment to rally to the side of the Iranian people, who are known to loathe the regime of Ayatollah Khamenei, and who are showing their will to resist in very dramatic fashion. About ten days ago, seventy-eight regime officials were killed or captured in Baluchistan when a convoy (including the chief of the region’s Revolutionary Guards Corps and the regional governor) was attacked. Some of the captives have been shown on al-Jazeera, pleading for cooperation from the regime, and supporting their captors’ demands that five Baluchi prisoners be freed. The regime has responded by accusing the United States and Britain of masterminding the operation, which is the second such strike in the past six months. In addition to calling for the release of Baluchi prisoners, the insurgents are calling for the toleration of Baluchi Sunnis, the appointment of locals (instead of Persian Shiites) to govern the region, and the use of local radio and television.

Caring about Carnage
The situation in Kurdistan is likewise extremely tense. The city of Mahabad is now surrounded by the regime’s military and paramilitary forces, following the eruption of anti-regime demonstrations on the occasion of Persian New Year’s celebrations on March 20. It is impossible to get precise figures — Western journalists don’t seem to be able to cover such events — but dozens of Kurds were arrested and many more were beaten up in the streets.

Worst of all is the ongoing campaign of ethnic cleansing directed against the Ahwaz Arabs in Khuzestan, where up to three divisions of the army, the Revolutionary Guards, and the infamous thugs of the Basij have been deployed, following the sabotage of a major oil pipeline by anti-regime dissidents. Radio Farda, our official Farsi-language station, quoted a local journalist, Mr. Mojtaba Gehestani, who says that 28,000 Ahwazi Arabs have been jailed in the past ten months, hundreds have been summarily executed, and many corpses have been fished out of the Karoon River, with telltale marks of torture.

Nonetheless, the regime’s interior minister recently announced that there is no "ethnic problem or issue" in Iran today. But he has quite clearly failed to convince President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that all is well. The president cancelled trips to the region four times in the past few months.

He and his cronies have a lot to worry about, because the Iranian people, in the face of a vicious wave of repression that recalls the worst moments of this dreadful regime, are showing themselves prepared to stand against it, and to move to remove it. Lacking a full picture, we should base our judgment at least in part on the behavior of the mullahs, and their dispatch of so many armed forces to three different regions suggests they are profoundly worried. This is not a good time to throw the mullahs a diplomatic lifeline. We should instead show them and their democratic enemies that the tide of history is running against them.

It’s time to take action against Iran and its half-brother Syria, for the carnage they have unleashed against us and the Iraqis. We know in detail the location of terrorist training camps run by the Iranian and Syrian terror masters; we should strike at them, and at the bases run by Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Guards as staging points for terrorist sorties into Iraq. No doubt the Iraqi armed forces would be delighted to participate, instead of constantly playing defense in their own half of the battlefield. And there are potent democratic forces among the Syrian people as well, as worthy of our support as the Iranians.

Once the mullahs and their terrorist allies see that we have understood the nature of this war, that we are determined to promote regime change in Tehran and Damascus, and will not give them a pass on their murderous activities in Iraq, then it might make sense to talk to Khamenei’s representatives. We could even expand the agenda from Iraqi matters to the real issue: we could negotiate their departure, and then turn to the organization of national referenda on the form of free governments, and elections to empower the former victims of a murderous and fanatical tyranny that has deluded itself into believing that it is invincible.

Original Article
by Ruzbeh Hosseini

[darius]

i wouldn't be so quick to get a hard-on for pro-american iranian ex-pats . . . most of them have a hidden agenda fueled by the seizing of personal assets (thousands, sometimes millions of dollars) by the islamic revolution in 79. i will comment more on this later.

[jameznyhc]

i wouldn't be so quick to get a hard-on for pro-american iranian ex-pats . . . most of them have a hidden agenda fueled by the seizing of personal assets (thousands, sometimes millions of dollars) by the islamic revolution in 79. i will comment more on this later.

what about the iranian youth? ..never mind the old guard ..im talking about whats happening in Irans campuses

[ShaE]

Great article written by a pro western Iranian .. defeckted and shae be prepared for an education

education, from you? lol, bite me :)
your ignorance makes me seriously depressed for this country.

[ShaE]

i wouldn't be so quick to get a hard-on for pro-american iranian ex-pats . . . most of them have a hidden agenda fueled by the seizing of personal assets (thousands, sometimes millions of dollars) by the islamic revolution in 79. i will comment more on this later.

hidden agendas would require mr jamez here to think beyond the superficial words on a press release. not going to happen.

[Defekted]

i wouldn't be so quick to get a hard-on for pro-american iranian ex-pats . . . most of them have a hidden agenda fueled by the seizing of personal assets (thousands, sometimes millions of dollars) by the islamic revolution in 79. i will comment more on this later.

Speak on brotha!

[jameznyhc]

education, from you? lol, bite me :)
your ignorance makes me seriously depressed for this country.

it was written by a pro american iranian not me you fool...

[ShaE]

it was written by a pro american iranian not me you fool...

:disgusted
I didn't think you WROTE IT , I was speaking GENERALLY :pullhair

I didn't even read it, i found it laughable past the first line.

[jameznyhc]

:disgusted
I didn't think you WROTE IT , I was speaking GENERALLY :pullhair

I didn't even read it, i found it laughable past the first line.

That doesnt surprise me at all

[darius]

ok, i read through the article and a significant amount of the points reads are no more factual than the Fool-Aid that the CIA was pumping out prior to even going into iraq.

a few things:
kurds don't like working with turks on any level . . . just the notion that the kurds would even approach the turks on the matter a captured revolutionary guard serves ZERO purpose
iran does not work with al-qaida (zarqawi, and whoever his successors are). contrary to many beliefs here in this forum, the notion that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has been grossly refuted throughout the struggle for power in that region. the mullahs do not align themselves with sunni terrorist. sadr on the other hand, yes . . . he's shiie, he's militant, he's got ties to the mullahs. i'm wondering where the writer is getting his information. for DECADES now, iranian ex-pats have attempted to manufacture data for the sole purpose of lobbying to US to take some form, any form of military action in iran. it has consistently fallen on deaf ears because, and this is my own opinion, US intelligence officials realize that more often than not, they are crying wolf. also, the intelligence debacle on iraq has hindered the US from taking any bold moves based on info from ex-pats in general.
on the matter of the student protests, this is absolutely nothing new. they have been going on for years and years, to no avail. student protests aren't very radical and militant -- just a lot of fist pumping and shouting and groups are usually punished very harshly or they are chased off by the Basij (thugs working for the islamic revolution). student protests, whether publicized in the media or not don't mean shit -- they are a dime a dozen in tehran. now if they were ever to escalate to the levels which prompted the revolution in 1979, then i'd say it's news-worthy. trust me, no real significant number of people in iran are arising to put down the mullahs, at least not right now.
lastly, with respect the iranian operatives targeting US soldiers, operations, etc . . . its a drop in the bucket to what sunni insurgents are doing. shiites are mostly combating sunnis. i'm not claiming that is all they are doing, and i'm sure there have been efforts to disrupt US ops in iraq, BUT, one must raise the question WHY? if its in conjunction with thwarting any effort to put power back in the hands of sunnis, its regretably understandable. is it solely limited to that? of course not. one thing, we here in america fail to realize is that, like it or not, the iranians know WORLDS more about the nature of how things have been in iraq and how the culture operates. we're there trying to take the AP exam without even finishing the first half of the text.
people don't give the mullahs enough credit for making the calculated moves that they do. it has been going unchecked for years, and this administration has done very little to stop it -- that ALONE should raise more redflags with people who genuinely give a shit about establishing real peace in the region rather than this half-ass, hot-air powered, horseshit factory that bush and his cronies have perpetuated. the mullahs have thrived MOST under republican presidents -- why is that?

[ShaE]

That doesnt surprise me at all

I skim most of your posts b/c they're like heiroglyphics to read. I'll argue w/ just about anyone but the shit you post is so out there, your " 110% proof" is nothing but rhetorical garbage. Arguing over your nonsense isn't even fun for me , I can't even fathom how you think some of the things you do. So I choose to ignore it :)

[jameznyhc]

ok, i read through the article and a significant amount of the points reads are no more factual than the Fool-Aid that the CIA was pumping out prior to even going into iraq.

a few things:
kurds don't like working with turks on any level . . . just the notion that the kurds would even approach the turks on the matter a captured revolutionary guard serves ZERO purpose
iran does not work with al-qaida (zarqawi, and whoever his successors are). contrary to many beliefs here in this forum, the notion that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has been grossly refuted throughout the struggle for power in that region. the mullahs do not align themselves with sunni terrorist. sadr on the other hand, yes . . . he's shiie, he's militant, he's got ties to the mullahs. i'm wondering where the writer is getting his information. for DECADES now, iranian ex-pats have attempted to manufacture data for the sole purpose of lobbying to US to take some form, any form of military action in iran. it has consistently fallen on deaf ears because, and this is my own opinion, US intelligence officials realize that more often than not, they are crying wolf. also, the intelligence debacle on iraq has hindered the US from taking any bold moves based on info from ex-pats in general.
on the matter of the student protests, this is absolutely nothing new. they have been going on for years and years, to no avail. student protests aren't very radical and militant -- just a lot of fist pumping and shouting and groups are usually punished very harshly or they are chased off by the Basij (thugs working for the islamic revolution). student protests, whether publicized in the media or not don't mean shit -- they are a dime a dozen in tehran. now if they were ever to escalate to the levels which prompted the revolution in 1979, then i'd say it's news-worthy. trust me, no real significant number of people in iran are arising to put down the mullahs, at least not right now.
lastly, with respect the iranian operatives targeting US soldiers, operations, etc . . . its a drop in the bucket to what sunni insurgents are doing. shiites are mostly combating sunnis. i'm not claiming that is all they are doing, and i'm sure there have been efforts to disrupt US ops in iraq, BUT, one must raise the question WHY? if its in conjunction with thwarting any effort to put power back in the hands of sunnis, its regretably understandable. is it solely limited to that? of course not. one thing, we here in america fail to realize is that, like it or not, the iranians know WORLDS more about the nature of how things have been in iraq and how the culture operates. we're there trying to take the AP exam without even finishing the first half of the text.
people don't give the mullahs enough credit for making the calculated moves that they do. it has been going unchecked for years, and this administration has done very little to stop it -- that ALONE should raise more redflags with people who genuinely give a shit about establishing real peace in the region rather than this half-ass, hot-air powered, horseshit factory that bush and his cronies have perpetuated. the mullahs have thrived MOST under republican presidents -- why is that?

He is an Iranian/activist member of the Marze Por Gohar party ...Made up of pro western Iranian journalists and writers.. He also works for democracy in iran, The iran freedom project, and many others..here is the partys description

The Marze Por Gohar Party is an Iranian political party Their motto is "Iranians for a secular republic" The party was founded on July 8th, 1998 in Tehran, Iran. It was established by a group of Nationalist secular writers and journalists.

Marze Por Gohar Party was one of the most active groups present at the pro-Democracy uprising of the University students in July 1999. On the fifth day of the uprising, on July 13th, MPG leaders and members were arrested and sent to the notorious Towhid, one of Islamic Republic’s secret prisons. Due to constant harassment of the Islamic elements, some members of this organization were forced to flee the country.

Why should i believe your opinions? what makes you more credible than him? and what proof do you have to back up your claims??.........Also this so called ex pat does not want war ..he wants to overthrow the mullahs through revolution not military aid from america

[jameznyhc]

I skim most of your posts b/c they're like heiroglyphics to read. I'll argue w/ just about anyone but the shit you post is so out there, your " 110% proof" is nothing but rhetorical garbage. Arguing over your nonsense isn't even fun for me , I can't even fathom how you think some of the things you do. So I choose to ignore it :)




Lol i post articles for the purpose of discussion..these are real current events shaping place around the world taken from assoc. press, cnn, fox, msnbc etc..as a moderator whats your job on here? arent you suppose to read whats posted in this forum? ...So you ignore Articles posted by other who disagree with you..Ignore=ignorance..Or maybe your keeping the stereotype of the lazy liberal alive no wonder your pro-union anti tenure when it comes to teachers.. you would make an excellent govt worker..go back to slackin and staying un-informed through ignorance :heythere

[Defekted]

ok, i read through the article and a significant amount of the points reads are no more factual than the Fool-Aid that the CIA was pumping out prior to even going into iraq.

a few things:
kurds don't like working with turks on any level . . . just the notion that the kurds would even approach the turks on the matter a captured revolutionary guard serves ZERO purpose
iran does not work with al-qaida (zarqawi, and whoever his successors are). contrary to many beliefs here in this forum, the notion that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has been grossly refuted throughout the struggle for power in that region. the mullahs do not align themselves with sunni terrorist. sadr on the other hand, yes . . . he's shiie, he's militant, he's got ties to the mullahs. i'm wondering where the writer is getting his information. for DECADES now, iranian ex-pats have attempted to manufacture data for the sole purpose of lobbying to US to take some form, any form of military action in iran. it has consistently fallen on deaf ears because, and this is my own opinion, US intelligence officials realize that more often than not, they are crying wolf. also, the intelligence debacle on iraq has hindered the US from taking any bold moves based on info from ex-pats in general.
on the matter of the student protests, this is absolutely nothing new. they have been going on for years and years, to no avail. student protests aren't very radical and militant -- just a lot of fist pumping and shouting and groups are usually punished very harshly or they are chased off by the Basij (thugs working for the islamic revolution). student protests, whether publicized in the media or not don't mean shit -- they are a dime a dozen in tehran. now if they were ever to escalate to the levels which prompted the revolution in 1979, then i'd say it's news-worthy. trust me, no real significant number of people in iran are arising to put down the mullahs, at least not right now.
lastly, with respect the iranian operatives targeting US soldiers, operations, etc . . . its a drop in the bucket to what sunni insurgents are doing. shiites are mostly combating sunnis. i'm not claiming that is all they are doing, and i'm sure there have been efforts to disrupt US ops in iraq, BUT, one must raise the question WHY? if its in conjunction with thwarting any effort to put power back in the hands of sunnis, its regretably understandable. is it solely limited to that? of course not. one thing, we here in america fail to realize is that, like it or not, the iranians know WORLDS more about the nature of how things have been in iraq and how the culture operates. we're there trying to take the AP exam without even finishing the first half of the text.
people don't give the mullahs enough credit for making the calculated moves that they do. it has been going unchecked for years, and this administration has done very little to stop it -- that ALONE should raise more redflags with people who genuinely give a shit about establishing real peace in the region rather than this half-ass, hot-air powered, horseshit factory that bush and his cronies have perpetuated. the mullahs have thrived MOST under republican presidents -- why is that?

excellent post D.

I can tell by reading this that you are very much in tune with whats going on back in Iran.

[Defekted]

Your article is on another level of bullshit i cant even begin to touch it.

Iran controls Zarqawi? Iran involvement with insurgents in Falluja?

Obviously this article is ment for the idiots who know nothing of the region and will go along with anyone who has a political agenda, like this guy. Half his article is in fantasy land.

[jameznyhc]

Your article is on another level of bullshit i cant even begin to touch it.

Iran controls Zarqawi? Iran involvement with insurgents in Falluja?

Obviously this article is ment for the idiots who know nothing of the region and will go along with anyone who has a political agenda, like this guy. Half his article is in fantasy land.


Ok prove your claims give us proof to dispute him.. lol its funny how you shot this down as bullshit after waiting for your boy darius reply.. your so full of shit..again what gives darius more credibility than an iranian ?? isnt darius an american who hates bush's policys?? i was refering to pro western iranians who count on bush for help of destroying to fascist state their imprisoned in ..ok now go post your proof..i notice you ignored my reply to your DNI report you been hassling me about all morning sucka!! ...what pro western muslim/persian sites do you read or learn from im inyerested in hearing this

[Defekted]

The guy that wrote this kinda reminds me of Ahmad Chalabi. The guy who cooked such a bullshit script that was hook line sinker to the Neo Cons here who were blood thirsty for anything to sink their teeth into.....

the guy became the darling of the neo-fags here in Washington. Now where is he? I think he got caught giving classified shit to Iran.... lmao

Moral of the story Jamez... dont get a hard on for every defected (no pun intended!) political prisoner who jumps up and yells "oooh ooooh ohhhhh, here here Mr Bush, please come invade my country, we need regime change also! ooooh ooooh ooohh, our savior please come and bring freedom to us to..... and oh, when you do, please give me a coushy position up at top.... thaaaaaanks :) )

[jameznyhc]

The guy that wrote this kinda reminds me of Ahmad Chalabi. The guy who cooked such a bullshit script that was hook line sinker to the Neo Cons here who were blood thirsty for anything to sink their teeth into.....

the guy became the darling of the neo-fags here in Washington. Now where is he? I think he got caught giving classified shit to Iran.... lmao

Moral of the story Jamez... dont get a hard on for every defected (no pun intended!) political prisoner who jumps up and yells "oooh ooooh ohhhhh, here here Mr Bush, please come invade my country, we need regime change also! ooooh ooooh ooohh, our savior please come and bring freedom to us to..... and oh, when you do, please give me a coushy position up at top.... thaaaaaanks :) )

you should be grateful of Bush's backing of lebanons govt..if a dem gets in you know hezbollah will have free reign to oppress lebanon as we sit by and do jack shit ..they count on our financial and moral support..be thankful you live here and not there either buddy i guess bush cant be all that bad.. you choose america as your place to live hell i cant blame ya..were are the best ..so again be happy your here..and not suffering over there ..

[Defekted]

Ok prove your claims give us proof to dispute him.. lol its funny how you shot this down as bullshit after waiting for your boy darius reply.. your so full of shit..again what gives darius more credibility than an iranian ?? isnt darius an american who hates bush's policys?? i was refering to pro western iranians who count on bush for help of destroying to fascist state their imprisoned in ..ok now go post your proof..i notice you ignored my reply to your DNI report you been hassling me about all morning sucka!! ...what pro western muslim/persian sites do you read or learn from im inyerested in hearing this

First of all pal, lol, the reason I didnt jump on this one and gave Darius a go, is becuase I already wrote volumes of threads regarding Lebanon, Iraq, and the Palestinians...any more trying to combat your juvenile logic and ill go clinicly insane. Plus you post right wing bullshit articles every other minute, i can spend days responding to your bullshit articles....and by the way its not hard for me to start threads with a moveon.org article every two seconds, but I enjoy kicking the shit out of you straight from the top of my head with no links or pics or commentary.....i dont know why, its just more fulfilling ;)

Also I believe Darius is Iranian American, from what I gathered in previous posts, so I will gladly bow out of discussion so he can give some insight the same way I can provide it for Lebanon.....

Now what the fuck do i need to disprove about the comments the guy who wrote this article said regarding Iran control AlQeada operatives including Zarqawi and the freakshows the take up arms in Falluja.... this is like the absolute most impossible thing I can think of .... and for you not to even know this most fundamental aspect of the region shows how much you know ... jack shit. Why dont you read some of the lovely sermons that Zarqawi gave to his followers, i think some of them peotically said that every real suuni should make the streets flow with shiite blood.... cause shiites are dogs etc etc etc... It was Zarqawi who blew up the golden mosque in Samara... im sure that was a direct order from "his masters" the shiite revolutionary guard in Iran.... your a moron man, im sorry.

As far as the DNI report, i never caught your response. but here are a few highlights that compeletly contradict everything you have posted today...

- Iraq’s neighbors influence, and are influenced by, events within Iraq, but the involvement of these outside actors is not likely to be a major driver of violence or the prospects for stability because of the self-sustaining character of Iraq’s internal sectarian dynamics.

- A number of identifiable internal security and political triggering events, including sustained mass sectarian killings, assassination of major religious and political leaders, and a complete Sunni defection from the government have the potential to convulse severely Iraq’s security environment

- the term “civil war” accurately describes key elements of the Iraqi conflict, including the hardening of ethno-sectarian identities, a sea change in the character of the violence, ethno-sectarian mobilization, and population displacements.

- Significant population displacement, both within Iraq and the movement of Iraqis into neighboring countries, indicates the hardening of ethno-sectarian divisions, diminishes Iraq’s professional and entrepreneurial classes, and strains the capacities of the countries to which they have relocated. The UN estimates over a million Iraqis are now in Syria and Jordan.


that should be enough to chew on for a bit, even for you.....

if i remember correctly ... you dismissed the "violence" that we see on tv as 4 or 5 madmen a week blowing shit up..... hmmmmmm well the above assessment paints just an ever so slightly picture.... thanks buh bye

[Studz]

you should be grateful of Bush's backing of lebanons govt..if a dem gets in you know hezbollah will have free reign to oppress lebanon as we sit by and do jack shit ..they count on our financial and moral support..be thankful you live here and not there either buddy i guess bush cant be all that bad.. you choose america as your place to live hell i cant blame ya..were are the best ..so again be happy your here..and not suffering over there ..

why do u talk about im like hes an imigrant hes an american with lebanese decent. He didnt chose to be here its his country brotha. Or do u want me to start saying go back to irland.

[jameznyhc]

why do u talk about im like hes an imigrant hes an american with lebanese decent. He didnt chose to be here its his country brotha. Or do u want me to start saying go back to irland.

where in this thread did i tell him to go back to lebanon..all i said was he should be grateful for living here..As I'am ..my family left ireland during a civil war to come here for a better way of life..they knew America was better for us ..

[Defekted]

you should be grateful of Bush's backing of lebanons govt..if a dem gets in you know hezbollah will have free reign to oppress lebanon as we sit by and do jack shit ..they count on our financial and moral support..be thankful you live here and not there either buddy i guess bush cant be all that bad.. you choose america as your place to live hell i cant blame ya..were are the best ..so again be happy your here..and not suffering over there ..

what does this ramble have to do with the post you quoted again? OOOOOOOH i see, when you cant answer with something legit, you go the love it or leave it speech.... god bless america, ra ra ra, be happy you have the freedom to post, etc etc etc....

i love how you and the right wing morons cornered the market on intangible righteous speeches.... just throw a "unpatriotic" accusation on them and thatll shut those commies up!

what a joke your posts have become. You should be ashamed Jamez!

[jameznyhc]

[QUOTE=Defekted;1715266]First of all pal, lol, the reason I didnt jump on this one and gave Darius a go, is becuase I already wrote volumes of threads regarding Lebanon, Iraq, and the Palestinians...any more trying to combat your juvenile logic and ill go clinicly insane. Plus you post right wing bullshit articles every other minute, i can spend days responding to your bullshit articles....and by the way its not hard for me to start threads with a moveon.org article every two seconds, but I enjoy kicking the shit out of you straight from the top of my head with no links or pics or commentary.....i dont know why, its just more fulfilling ;)

Also I believe Darius is Iranian American, from what I gathered in previous posts, so I will gladly bow out of discussion so he can give some insight the same way I can provide it for Lebanon.....

Now what the fuck do i need to disprove about the comments the guy who wrote this article said regarding Iran control AlQeada operatives including Zarqawi and the freakshows the take up arms in Falluja.... this is like the absolute most impossible thing I can think of .... and for you not to even know this most fundamental aspect of the region shows how much you know ... jack shit. Why dont you read some of the lovely sermons that Zarqawi gave to his followers, i think some of them peotically said that every real suuni should make the streets flow with shiite blood.... cause shiites are dogs etc etc etc... It was Zarqawi who blew up the golden mosque in Samara... im sure that was a direct order from "his masters" the shiite revolutionary guard in Iran.... your a moron man, im sorry.

As far as the DNI report, i never caught your response. but here are a few highlights that compeletly contradict everything you have posted today...

- Iraq’s neighbors influence, and are influenced by, events within Iraq, but the involvement of these outside actors is not likely to be a major driver of violence or the prospects for stability because of the self-sustaining character of Iraq’s internal sectarian dynamics.

- A number of identifiable internal security and political triggering events, including sustained mass sectarian killings, assassination of major religious and political leaders, and a complete Sunni defection from the government have the potential to convulse severely Iraq’s security environment

- the term “civil war” accurately describes key elements of the Iraqi conflict, including the hardening of ethno-sectarian identities, a sea change in the character of the violence, ethno-sectarian mobilization, and population displacements.

- Significant population displacement, both within Iraq and the movement of Iraqis into neighboring countries, indicates the hardening of ethno-sectarian divisions, diminishes Iraq’s professional and entrepreneurial classes, and strains the capacities of the countries to which they have relocated. The UN estimates over a million Iraqis are now in Syria and Jordan.


that should be enough to chew on for a bit, even for you.....


Ok you blew your credibilty wit outright lies here they go

lie # 1... Bill clinton on why he bombed iraq thread= taken from CNN website, Tanslation of president clintons speech to the american public dec 17 1998

lie # 2..this thread was based on an article taken from democracy in iraq

lie # 3 turkey sends Imams thru-out europe..Article taken from a pro islamic fundamentalist website

lie # 4 Iraniains take to the streets for freedom= taken from the uk guardian a very liberal english newspaper

lie # 5 the world hated us when clinton and blair invaded iraq= taken from CNN/ associated press dec 18th 1998

lie # 6 the giliuani trouncing mcacain and hillary thread came from fox news that was a poll i posted ..

Nowhere did i post from

newsmax
national review online
savage nation

or most conservative sites i read.. i also read many liberal, islamic fundamentalist, and pro socialist sites as well ...

here my response to your DNI report

As for DNI i agree with the report 110% it says to use the term Civil war in not applicable because of the complexites involved not only in shia vs sunni ..but shia vs. shia, outside forces including Iran and Syria, and Sunnis resenting being the minorities makes conditions For a civil war.. And it clearly states that if we pull out rapidly or divided the country into 3 different provinces all hell would break loose and turkey as well as iran could be pulled in.. It also states if syria and iran are stopped from funding insurgents the violence would rapidly dimish?? lol i agree with all this!! Like i mentioned above this is a generational conflict..

Also keep in mind the new plan was not instituted when this report was compiled making this report history as in obsolete..all im saying is give the new plan a chance until nov..if not and it states iran could invade and control Iraq!!!!!!!!

[jameznyhc]

what does this ramble have to do with the post you quoted again? OOOOOOOH i see, when you cant answer with something legit, you go the love it or leave it speech.... god bless america, ra ra ra, be happy you have the freedom to post, etc etc etc....

i love how you and the right wing morons cornered the market on intangible righteous speeches.... just throw a "unpatriotic" accusation on them and thatll shut those commies up!

what a joke your posts have become. You should be ashamed Jamez!

never said you were unpatriotic at all lol mr delusional

[jameznyhc]

what does this ramble have to do with the post you quoted again? OOOOOOOH i see, when you cant answer with something legit, you go the love it or leave it speech.... god bless america, ra ra ra, be happy you have the freedom to post, etc etc etc....

i love how you and the right wing morons cornered the market on intangible righteous speeches.... just throw a "unpatriotic" accusation on them and thatll shut those commies up!

what a joke your posts have become. You should be ashamed Jamez!

this ramble was in response to when you say dont give credit to every political prisoner from oppressed countries... yet in your homeland the govt needs bush and want his backing thats what this was about.. i dont have to go the love it or leave it route.. you obviously love living here or you wouldnt be here correct? you could go move to a liberal nation like denmark where you cant even worship at a mosque these days.. as liberal as denamrk is even they aint stupid enuff to let radical islam be spouted in mosques..we should take a lesson from their experience with radical islam ..proving once again this isnt only about bush the radicals hate europe as well

[Defekted]

this ramble was in response to when you say dont give credit to every political prisoner from oppressed countries... yet in your homeland the govt needs bush and want his backing thats what this was about

The US is in it for their own self interest son.. Siniora respectively asked condi rice NOT to come to beirut becuase they found out that the US SPED UP A SHIPMENT OF MISSLEGUIDED BOMBS to israel during the war, weeks ahead of its original shipment date....lmao.... such tender loving care to the civilized lebanese people..... what a joke.... Bush is a complete idiot and the people around him are complete cold blooded assholes with our VP being the top snake..... im hoping for a new day in 08 man.... i really am. we are half way there with this past november.

[jameznyhc]

The US is in it for their own self interest son.. Siniora respectively asked condi rice NOT to come to beirut becuase they found out that the US SPED UP A SHIPMENT OF MISSLEGUIDED BOMBS to israel during the war, weeks ahead of its original shipment date....lmao.... such tender loving care to the civilized lebanese people..... what a joke.... Bush is a complete idiot and the people around him are complete cold blooded assholes with our VP being the top snake..... im hoping for a new day in 08 man.... i really am. we are half way there with this past november.


Dont worry bro..it will be Giuliani :yipee :yipee ..he makes bush look soft as butter cause giuliani doesnt give a fuck about pc nonsense (remember how much the liberals in nyc hated his ass)..I know the terrorists are praying for clinton or obama to win.. not going to happen though mark my words..

of course the US is helping lebanon in self interest..by stopping radical islam from spreading

[darius]

i won't defend my credibility . . . i don't feel i have to & most certainly not to you of all people. i will say that people who go out of their way to play such a twisted game of connect the dots between insurgency in iraq and the mullahs in iran, in the fashion which this particular fellow did, yet takes a stance of no military action and a revolution without armed protection from the US is DELUSIONAL. history books once wrote that the islamic revolution was a "white revolution" in which there was no mass bloodshed and yet forget the deathsquads khomeini controlled to take out members of religion minorities, the shahs supporters, SAVAK members, their families, their informants. believe me, i'm the first to say the mullahs should go but they need to be categorically exterminated for crimes far worse than any meddling in iraq.

[jameznyhc]

i won't defend my credibility . . . i don't feel i have to & most certainly not to you of all people. i will say that people who go out of their way to play such a twisted game of connect the dots between insurgency in iraq and the mullahs in iran, in the fashion which this particular fellow did, yet takes a stance of no military action and a revolution without armed protection from the US is DELUSIONAL. history books once wrote that the islamic revolution was a "white revolution" in which there was no mass bloodshed and yet forget the deathsquads khomeini controlled to take out members of religion minorities, the shahs supporters, SAVAK members, their families, their informants. believe me, i'm the first to say the mullahs should go but they need to be categorically exterminated for crimes far worse than any meddling in iraq.

Now we find Iranians in palestine assisting Hamas this weekend in their uprising against fatah? whats next? .. We find Iranian guards in iraq helping the insurgents.. We know Iran does not want a democratic Iraq and is far more than just a drop in the bucket as you claim.. We know hezbollah started shelling Israel out of the clear blue the day before weapons inspectors wer going into Iranaian nuclear weapon sites..Why wouldnt you be gung ho in supporting young Iranians ..unless you believ all the groups i listed he worked for have alterior motives? maybe you can enlighten us which ones are legit and who only want freedom and not for the purpose of seizing property as you claim

[Defekted]

Number one its not a hamas uprising against Fatah. Hamas is the one who has the political power through democratic elections.....

let me ask you something.

Is it really endorsing freedom and democracy when we keep pressuring and attacking the groups that were freely elected peacefully until they have to do it again and new more likeable parties are in control? double-standards are the reason we are in such poor standing in the middle east, and its why parties like Hamas, Hezbullah, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Radical Shiite parties in Iran and IRaq, Muslim Court in Solmalia, Taliban resurgence in Afganistan, and terrorists groups like the million that pop up in TV every time there is a bombing, beheading, etc etc etc...... this is not a coincidence Jamez..... there has to be an environment created to cause these groups to even exist let alone be stronger by the day. Our backing of cruel ruthless regimes like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, our inconsistency with others like Saddams and Assads regimes, our blind backing of Israel - even when they go to levels more ruthless than the "Arab bad guys".

See it has alot to do with propaganda, a lack of credibility.... we make it so fucking easy with our foreign policy over the past 4 or 5 decades, and especially the last 6 years to point at our double standards.... we want democracy for you, only if it is friendly to the US and its self interests, and if it isnt, we will make life hell for you.... we want you to live in peace and prosperity, only if that means you accept the fact that Israel still occupies you and makes life in your terrirtory unbareable ...... we want to ensure you live in a free society without any limitations on womans rights, religious rights, and freedom of speech rights, only if you arent under the rule of our personal piggy bank the Saudis or our favorite Arab strongarm, Mr Mubarak.......

Dont even bother to reply Jamez....

[ShaE]

.... we want democracy for you, only if it is friendly to the US and its self interests, and if it isnt, we will make life hell for you.... we want you to live in peace and prosperity, only if that means you accept the fact that Israel still occupies you and makes life in your terrirtory unbareable ...... we want to ensure you live in a free society without any limitations on womans rights, religious rights, and freedom of speech rights, only if you arent under the rule of our personal piggy bank the Saudis or our favorite Arab strongarm, Mr Mubarak.......


exactly

[Defekted]

Number one its not a hamas uprising against Fatah. Hamas is the one who has the political power through democratic elections.....

let me ask you something.

Is it really endorsing freedom and democracy when we keep pressuring and attacking the groups that were freely elected peacefully until they have to do it again and new more likeable parties are in control? double-standards are the reason we are in such poor standing in the middle east, and its why parties like Hamas, Hezbullah, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Radical Shiite parties in Iran and IRaq, Muslim Court in Solmalia, Taliban resurgence in Afganistan, and terrorists groups like the million that pop up in TV every time there is a bombing, beheading, etc etc etc...... this is not a coincidence Jamez..... there has to be an environment created to cause these groups to even exist let alone be stronger by the day. Our backing of cruel ruthless regimes like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, our inconsistency with others like Saddams and Assads regimes, our blind backing of Israel - even when they go to levels more ruthless than the "Arab bad guys".

See it has alot to do with propaganda, a lack of credibility.... we make it so fucking easy with our foreign policy over the past 4 or 5 decades, and especially the last 6 years to point at our double standards.... we want democracy for you, only if it is friendly to the US and its self interests, and if it isnt, we will make life hell for you.... we want you to live in peace and prosperity, only if that means you accept the fact that Israel still occupies you and makes life in your terrirtory unbareable ...... we want to ensure you live in a free society without any limitations on womans rights, religious rights, and freedom of speech rights, only if you arent under the rule of our personal piggy bank the Saudis or our favorite Arab strongarm, Mr Mubarak.......

Dont even bother to reply Jamez....


wow i didnt think you would listen to me....lol.... maybe cause you cant even begin to address to problems in the above post....

or maybe its still taking you hours to find a rebuttal in your neocon websites.... keep looking cuz... you may get one this year

[jameznyhc]

wow i didnt think you would listen to me....lol.... maybe cause you cant even begin to address to problems in the above post....

or maybe its still taking you hours to find a rebuttal in your neocon websites.... keep looking cuz... you may get one this year


Not at all here my opinion...

We should defend support and financially assist lebanon because the people want freedom and rejected Syria..We owe it to lebanon to back them up!! of course its in our self interest were trying to promote as much freedom and democracy through out the middle east

As for palestine.. the people chose to elect Hamas..This does not mean we will overthrow hamas.. But we should not be obligated to Fund this freely elected government either ..Were not contributing we we used to..But lets be blunt even when we did supply palestine with much cash Arafat starved his own people, blamed Israel, Promoted terror and fucked his people over by stealing all the aid..Since were the bad guys now and the world thinks were so bad make all the countries who say that should help palestine? Why most we fund every poor country while the world doesnt contribute shit in oil rich middle east?? i dont see saudis, egypt, iran, helping palestine either whats up ewith that..if anything weve been more than generous when arafat was in power..I feel we are obligated to fund fatah directly if possible so they can defeat hamas

[Defekted]

Not at all here my opinion...

We should defend support and financially assist lebanon because the people want freedom and rejected Syria..We owe it to lebanon to back them up!! of course its in our self interest were trying to promote as much freedom and democracy through out the middle east

As for palestine.. the people chose to elect Hamas..This does not mean we will overthrow hamas.. But we should not be obligated to Fund this freely elected government either ..Were not contributing we we used to..But lets be blunt even when we did supply palestine with much cash Arafat starved his own people, blamed Israel, Promoted terror and fucked his people over by stealing all the aid..Since were the bad guys now and the world thinks were so bad make all the countries who say that should help palestine? Why most we fund every poor country while the world doesnt contribute shit in oil rich middle east?? i dont see saudis, egypt, iran, helping palestine either whats up ewith that..if anything weve been more than generous when arafat was in power..I feel we are obligated to fund fatah directly if possible so they can defeat hamas

Do you know that Arafat was head of Fatah? just an FYI.

besides that, your posts is EVERYTHING thats incorrect with your knowledge in the area..... for one you didnt even touch 90% of the things i mentioned in my post... our backing of reactionary regimes while targeting others for the same offenses, also not backing and helping the Palestinians means we will never have victory in Iraq. I know its complicated for you to understand, an irish american living in queens who knows what the headlines on his websites tells him, but peace in baghdad goes through jerusalem..... the disengagement of the peace process between Israel and the palestinians have been one of the BIGGEST blunders this administration did, if you can imagine that, since blunder is Bush's middle name.......

you see, its not just the we are NOT CHOOSING to fund hamas, we froze all assets, as did Israel, which is holding MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in tax revenue alone....so what has happened.... over the past two years the level of living in the territories have dropped to one of the lowest levels on the planet including sub saharan Africa...... its not just NOT CHOOSING TO FUND, its PUNISHING for democratically electing Hamas... and thats not right or just..... we are punishing people for doing something we wanted them to do... vote...

hypocracy at its best

[jameznyhc]

Do you know that Arafat was head of Fatah? just an FYI.

besides that, your posts is EVERYTHING thats incorrect with your knowledge in the area..... for one you didnt even touch 90% of the things i mentioned in my post... our backing of reactionary regimes while targeting others for the same offenses, also not backing and helping the Palestinians means we will never have victory in Iraq. I know its complicated for you to understand, an irish american living in queens who knows what the headlines on his websites tells him, but peace in baghdad goes through jerusalem..... the disengagement of the peace process between Israel and the palestinians have been one of the BIGGEST blunders this administration did, if you can imagine that, since blunder is Bush's middle name.......

you see, its not just the we are NOT CHOOSING to fund hamas, we froze all assets, as did Israel, which is holding MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in tax revenue alone....so what has happened.... over the past two years the level of living in the territories have dropped to one of the lowest levels on the planet including sub saharan Africa...... its not just NOT CHOOSING TO FUND, its PUNISHING for democratically electing Hamas... and thats not right or just..... we are punishing people for doing something we wanted them to do... vote...

hypocracy at its best

So its time for the middle east to step up and help them out.. I mean look at jordan they massacred more palestinians in one day in black september 1970 than Israel has in defending itself over the last 50 years . when the palestinians were butchered and rejected from Jordan (wheres the rage? why not have jordan take them back in as citizens?)..Israel and America froze Hamas assests because they owe money on thoswe assests lol ..theyre a terror organization and believe me they we will be wiped out during the next palestinian election.. sympathy has moved in favor of Fatah..

[Capt'nAmerica]

Do you know that Arafat was head of Fatah? just an FYI.

besides that, your posts is EVERYTHING thats incorrect with your knowledge in the area..... for one you didnt even touch 90% of the things i mentioned in my post... our backing of reactionary regimes while targeting others for the same offenses, also not backing and helping the Palestinians means we will never have victory in Iraq. I know its complicated for you to understand, an irish american living in queens who knows what the headlines on his websites tells him, but peace in baghdad goes through jerusalem..... the disengagement of the peace process between Israel and the palestinians have been one of the BIGGEST blunders this administration did, if you can imagine that, since blunder is Bush's middle name.......

you see, its not just the we are NOT CHOOSING to fund hamas, we froze all assets, as did Israel, which is holding MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in tax revenue alone....so what has happened.... over the past two years the level of living in the territories have dropped to one of the lowest levels on the planet including sub saharan Africa...... its not just NOT CHOOSING TO FUND, its PUNISHING for democratically electing Hamas... and thats not right or just..... we are punishing people for doing something we wanted them to do... vote...

hypocracy at its best

Did you think Arafat was a good leader?

[Defekted]

Did you think Arafat was a good leader?

Are you kidding? lol .. the guy was a crook... his party lined their wallets with money and the Palestinians suffered because of that... THAT IS THE REASON WHY HAMAS WON OVER FATAH IN THE ELECTIONS..... now Jamez has Arafat posters on his wall, cause he sees the alternative is Hamas....

be careful what you wish for jimmy boy, cause you just might get it.

[Defekted]

So its time for the middle east to step up and help them out.. I mean look at jordan they massacred more palestinians in one day in black september 1970 than Israel has in defending itself over the last 50 years . when the palestinians were butchered and rejected from Jordan (wheres the rage? why not have jordan take them back in as citizens?)..Israel and America froze Hamas assests because they owe money on thoswe assests lol ..theyre a terror organization and believe me they we will be wiped out during the next palestinian election.. sympathy has moved in favor of Fatah..

you keep failing to answer my question on our unwavering support of regimes like Mubarak and the Saudi Family, who can make Saddam look like a liberal hippy when it comes to social freedoms and justice......

oh could it be because they are tied into our self interests

dont ever give me bullshit like we are the just ones going their to spread freedom like crusaders against the axis of evil.... we have our hands backing some of the most ruthless dictators in the world..... and not just in the middle east, but in central and south america, asia, africa and europe over the past 5 decades..... US foreign policy is about self interest and thats it..... if the million people die in uganda it wont even be in the radar at bushs desk cause there is nothing of value there, if the right wing paramilitary group massacres a village in the jungles of colombia its ok, we will even fund them, cause they are fighting leftists..... etc etc

i can give you guys threads upon threads of examples where our foreign policy is in exact oppostion to the ideals of our constitution and declaration of independence, and all the other works from our forefathers, who were truly geniuses ahead of their time.... now look at the monkey we have now....it makes me want to vomit..... keep idolizing the chimp!

[jameznyhc]

Are you kidding? lol .. the guy was a crook... his party lined their wallets with money and the Palestinians suffered because of that... THAT IS THE REASON WHY HAMAS WON OVER FATAH IN THE ELECTIONS..... now Jamez has Arafat posters on his wall, cause he sees the alternative is Hamas....

be careful what you wish for jimmy boy, cause you just might get it.


I Hated Arafat with a passion when he fucked over Clinton and Rabin and destroyed the oslo accords.. Stavrved his people..promoted terror.. See i was under the Assumption Abbas has been head of fatah since arafats death?? Lol .. Abbas is no Arafat my friend...Huge differences... Abbas is willing to accept Israel..Or he says he is.. Can he be trusted? no! because its an oxymoron to trust anyone in the middle east ..But he is better for palestine than hamas is.. only time will tell

[Ruzbeh1]

This is a bogus article that was NOT written by me, Ruzbeh Hosseini. This article does not express the views of Marze Por Gohar party. I didn't realise that I was such a threat to somebody that they would actually try to defame me like that! This is a FRAUD ARTICLE... Those of you who wish to read up on the REAL views that marzeporgohar party espouses please visit www.marzeporgohar.org. You may also visit my blog at iranfreedomproject.blogspot.com. Once again, this article was not written by me. It does not represent my views or the views of Marze Por Gohar.

The enemies of freedom can't stop us by writing bogus articles in order to discredit us. You need to do more than that!

Ruzbeh Hosseini

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This is a bogus article that was NOT written by me, Ruzbeh Hosseini. This article does not express the views of Marze Por Gohar party. I didn't realise that I was such a threat to somebody that they would actually try to defame me like that! This is a FRAUD ARTICLE... Those of you who wish to read up on the REAL views that marzeporgohar party espouses please visit www.marzeporgohar.org. You may also visit my blog at iranfreedomproject.blogspot.com. Once again, this article was not written by me. It does not represent my views or the views of Marze Por Gohar.

The enemies of freedom can't stop us by writing bogus articles in order to discredit us. You need to do more than that!

Ruzbeh Hosseini

:shocked

Wow is all I can say.... its a little too late on the night to touch this, but I hope tomorrow we can have a healthy discussion regarding this post, most importantly Jamez can partake and give us more insight on this matter, man this should be fun :applaud

[Studz]

This is a bogus article that was NOT written by me, Ruzbeh Hosseini. This article does not express the views of Marze Por Gohar party. I didn't realise that I was such a threat to somebody that they would actually try to defame me like that! This is a FRAUD ARTICLE... Those of you who wish to read up on the REAL views that marzeporgohar party espouses please visit www.marzeporgohar.org. You may also visit my blog at iranfreedomproject.blogspot.com. Once again, this article was not written by me. It does not represent my views or the views of Marze Por Gohar.

The enemies of freedom can't stop us by writing bogus articles in order to discredit us. You need to do more than that!

Ruzbeh Hosseini

HAHAHAHA

EXPOSEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

this is great yes jamez how do u like that now. Seriously this hould be a sticky, lol Proof of how Jamez rightwing neo-con propoganda is trying to twist the truth.

[darius]

ok, i read through the article and a significant amount of the points reads are no more factual than the Fool-Aid that the CIA was pumping out prior to even going into iraq.

i knew i had a gut feeling that something spelled like shite with this

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[ShaE]

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attn jamez, calling jamez to the front desk lol:callme

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[ShaE]

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thank you, I was just about to do that :chuckle