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Coco69
06-11-2007, 11:01 AM
idk why, but i'm doing the same routine i did a few years ago. i like the weight i'm at now, but i'd like more thick muscle definition. I think it's time to get a trainer.

TIANA
06-11-2007, 11:05 AM
maybe you're not eating enough protein.....

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 11:48 AM
I'm @my goal weight too and want to gain muscle definition now.. tips?

first off, should I slow down on speed on my cardio and focus on incline now?

denisek
06-11-2007, 12:12 PM
I'm @my goal weight too and want to gain muscle definition now.. tips?

first off, should I slow down on speed on my cardio and focus on incline now?

Yes. Do more work on weights and when you get on cardio machines focus on resistance and inclines. It's OK if you don't go fast just keep your heart rate constant. I also noticed I don't go as far when I do this but it's OK because the muscles are working harder.

TheHipHopBillGates
06-11-2007, 12:14 PM
I'm @my goal weight too and want to gain muscle definition now.. tips?

first off, should I slow down on speed on my cardio and focus on incline now?

you don't have to neccessarily cut down the pace, maybe just the amount of times you do it per week, and do more free weights or club strength type classes.

denisek
06-11-2007, 12:15 PM
idk why, but i'm doing the same routine i did a few years ago. i like the weight i'm at now, but i'd like more thick muscle definition. I think it's time to get a trainer.

Increase your weights and less reps. Drink protein shakes.

TheHipHopBillGates
06-11-2007, 12:17 PM
Yes. Do more work on weights and when you get on cardio machines focus on resistance and inclines. It's OK if you don't go fast just keep your heart rate constant. I also noticed I don't go as far when I do this but it's OK because the muscles are working harder.

That's a good point, I always keep in my head that I want to do a certain amount of time when doing cardio, but as you increase the resistance levels, it's not neccessary to keep doing that specific time.

Suzie*Q
06-11-2007, 02:09 PM
idk why, but i'm doing the same routine i did a few years ago. i like the weight i'm at now, but i'd like more thick muscle definition. I think it's time to get a trainer.
Def. get a trainer. Best teachers out there. Make sure you get their credentials though..I had one trainer who was horrible and had limited knowledge. Plus he lost my chart...:wallbang

anyhow...everyone has given you great advice.

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 02:14 PM
Yes. Do more work on weights and when you get on cardio machines focus on resistance and inclines. It's OK if you don't go fast just keep your heart rate constant. I also noticed I don't go as far when I do this but it's OK because the muscles are working harder.

Thanks! :) I'll try that out and see how it works for me.. If I lose any more lbs. I am going to disappear lol. I definitely want to get ripped now :shuffle


you don't have to neccessarily cut down the pace, maybe just the amount of times you do it per week, and do more free weights or club strength type classes.

That's already done, my schedule this summer only allows me 3 days @the gym, the rest of the week I do abs exercise videos @home daily, I am probably going to add free weights for my arms to my at home routine though, I definitely need to start building muscle there, my arms look like toothpicks now.

TheHipHopBillGates
06-11-2007, 02:15 PM
Def. get a trainer. Best teachers out there. Make sure you get their credentials though..I had one trainer who was horrible and had limited knowledge. Plus he lost my chart...:wallbang

anyhow...everyone has given you great advice.

Good trainers are worth it, but nowadays any cupcake can get certified over the internet, so if you're going to spend the $$$ make sure you get someone worth it.

Chris
06-11-2007, 02:43 PM
That's a good point, I always keep in my head that I want to do a certain amount of time when doing cardio, but as you increase the resistance levels, it's not neccessary to keep doing that specific time.

exactly if you increase resistance your time should lower. if you keep the same time your gonna loose precious muscle.

Chris
06-11-2007, 02:46 PM
Good trainers are worth it, but nowadays any cupcake can get certified over the internet, so if you're going to spend the $$$ make sure you get someone worth it.

chances are most of them are not worth it and if they are we can't afford them.


i would tell anyone to save there money or spend them on books. you can get all the info needed off the web or from books, these trainers many times give harmful advice over solid advice they themselves are a mess half the times.

don't goto a dentist with yellow teeth and don't goto an out of shape trainer. ever.

jucrew1
06-11-2007, 02:58 PM
don't goto a dentist with yellow teeth and don't goto an out of shape trainer. ever.

:agree

how could someone listen to a fat guy tell them how to get in shape?

Suzie*Q
06-11-2007, 03:04 PM
I dunno but I paid a lot for my trainers. One of them was like 18 and weighed about 130 pounds. Golds Gym needs to step it up a bit.
:wallbang

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 03:16 PM
exactly if you increase resistance your time should lower. if you keep the same time your gonna loose precious muscle.

so if I was doing 30-35 mins of high speed, low incline before, what should I be doing now if I decrease speed & increase incline? (to build muscle - not interested in weight loss anymore).

Chris
06-11-2007, 03:31 PM
so if I was doing 30-35 mins of high speed, low incline before, what should I be doing now if I decrease speed & increase incline? (to build muscle - not interested in weight loss anymore).

why are you doing high speed? unless your training to be an endurance athlete this can be part of your problem. high speed for long durations is an aerobic activity which does basically everything your trying NOT to do. it will burn fat but also burn muscle kill your strength and many other downsides to it all.

I would suggest instead of all out high speed for 30-35 minutes, do 30 seconds all out as fast as you can sprinting, then 60 seconds of light jogging, and then back up to 30 seconds of all out sprinting repeat till you reached 20-25 minutes and you will strip fat off your body (while keeping your muscle) in 2 weeks. garanteed. (of course given that your eating and sleeping right)

building muslce is not done on a treadmill, its done with weights shut the mill, do some lunges or squats, im not sure to which part of your body your focusing on. but muscles is made by resistance and not so much by running if anythign running eats muscle up.

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 03:46 PM
why are you doing high speed? unless your training to be an endurance athlete this can be part of your problem. high speed for long durations is an aerobic activity which does basically everything your trying NOT to do. it will burn fat but also burn muscle kill your strength and many other downsides to it all.

I would suggest instead of all out high speed for 30-35 minutes, do 30 seconds all out as fast as you can sprinting, then 60 seconds of light jogging, and then back up to 30 seconds of all out sprinting repeat till you reached 20-25 minutes and you will strip fat off your body (while keeping your muscle) in 2 weeks. garanteed. (of course given that your eating and sleeping right)

building muslce is not done on a treadmill, its done with weights shut the mill, do some lunges or squats, im not sure to which part of your body your focusing on. but muscles is made by resistance and not so much by running if anythign running eats muscle up.

oh I was running and doing high speed before b/c I wanted to lose weight. I did a HIIT routine similar to what you described, lost 20 lbs in a little less than 3 mos. Now I am looking to change my routine so I don't keep losing weight. The parts of my body I'd most like to see some tone & muscle in are my abs & arms. My legs are already pretty much where I want them to be due to the arc trainer/treadmill routine & occasional yoga/pilates.

I will try your sugg on squats/lunges w weights.
Any sugg re:6 pack abs? lol. That's my next goal.. I'm getting there, but have a feeling I could be doing more.

TheHipHopBillGates
06-11-2007, 03:54 PM
oh I was running and doing high speed before b/c I wanted to lose weight. I did a HIIT routine similar to what you described, lost 20 lbs in a little less than 3 mos. Now I am looking to change my routine so I don't keep losing weight. The parts of my body I'd most like to see some tone & muscle in are my abs & arms. My legs are already pretty much where I want them to be due to the arc trainer/treadmill routine & occasional yoga/pilates.

I will try your sugg on squats/lunges w weights.
Any sugg re:6 pack abs? lol. That's my next goal.. I'm getting there, but have a feeling I could be doing more.

do swiss ball crunches & hanging leg raises.

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 03:56 PM
do swiss ball crunches & hanging leg raises.

I need some sort of illustration here, lol.

Chris
06-11-2007, 03:58 PM
oh I was running and doing high speed before b/c I wanted to lose weight. I did a HIIT routine similar to what you described, lost 20 lbs in a little less than 3 mos. Now I am looking to change my routine so I don't keep losing weight. The parts of my body I'd most like to see some tone & muscle in are my abs & arms. My legs are already pretty much where I want them to be due to the arc trainer/treadmill routine & occasional yoga/pilates.

I will try your sugg on squats/lunges w weights.
Any sugg re:6 pack abs? lol. That's my next goal.. I'm getting there, but have a feeling I could be doing more.

6 pack=diet you can crunch from now till next year without proper diet you won't see them bad boys.

as for not loosing more weight don't do so muhc cardio. 3 times a week is fine,
workout with wieghts, there is a great site called http://www.ediets.com

got alot of good workouts for women. try some curls and shoulder presses, but i can't stress to people enough you can't work out 1 part of your body without working out every single other part otherwise yoru doing harm and not good. if you want to do your arms you should have a routine that works you arms, chest, back, legs, calves, stomach, and shoulders each week, otherwise you put an anomoly in your body by making a push or pull muscle stronger than its push pull counterpart which results in injury, or misalignment. hope this helps

TheHipHopBillGates
06-11-2007, 04:00 PM
I need some sort of illustration here, lol.

there are so many different ways to do it so I'll give you links to multiple pictures:

1/Swiss ball crunches - you can use these for obliques too
http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&q=swiss+ball+crunch&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

2/Hanging leg raises
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&gbv=2&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=hanging+leg+raises&btnG=Search+Images


Btw a flat stomach on a girl is nice, you don't need a six pack.

Chris
06-11-2007, 04:03 PM
there are so many different ways to do it so I'll g


Btw a flat stomach on a girl is nice, you don't need a six pack.

agreed.

flat is nicer with some small lines of a six pack. a full fleged bulging 6 pack isn't that attractive on a woman to me anyhow.

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 04:05 PM
Thx for the tips guys!

TheHipHopBillGates
06-11-2007, 04:05 PM
agreed.

flat is nicer with some small lines of a six pack. a full fleged bulging 6 pack isn't that attractive on a woman to me anyhow.

thank you, I didn't want to be the dick and say it's not really lady like to me. I'm happy you've found all the motivation to eat healthy and work out though.

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 04:06 PM
agreed.

flat is nicer with some small lines of a six pack. a full fleged bulging 6 pack isn't that attractive on a woman to me anyhow.

yea what u described is essentially what i want, not the full fledged.

joe!
06-11-2007, 04:08 PM
thank you, I didn't want to be the dick and say it's not really lady like to me. I'm happy you've found all the motivation to eat healthy and work out though.

yeah nud listen to mike...i dont wanna date a dude. :chuckle

joe!
06-11-2007, 04:13 PM
6 pack=diet you can crunch from now till next year without proper diet you won't see them bad boys.

as for not loosing more weight don't do so muhc cardio. 3 times a week is fine,
workout with wieghts, there is a great site called http://www.ediets.com

got alot of good workouts for women. try some curls and shoulder presses, but i can't stress to people enough you can't work out 1 part of your body without working out every single other part otherwise yoru doing harm and not good. if you want to do your arms you should have a routine that works you arms, chest, back, legs, calves, stomach, and shoulders each week, otherwise you put an anomoly in your body by making a push or pull muscle stronger than its push pull counterpart which results in injury, or misalignment. hope this helps

her diet is on point. its just time. if she continues doing what she has been doing she will def see the results she wants in her mid section. as far as lifting i have been trying to get her to the gym with me just to give her a quick routine to follow but i havent really taken the initiative to take her and our schedules sometimes conflict. i rest ont he weekends and now that is the only time she can really go.

TheHipHopBillGates
06-11-2007, 04:19 PM
her diet is on point. its just time. if she continues doing what she has been doing she will def see the results she wants in her mid section. as far as lifting i have been trying to get her to the gym with me just to give her a quick routine to follow but i havent really taken the initiative to take her and our schedules sometimes conflict. i rest ont he weekends and now that is the only time she can really go.

also sometimes you can plateau with the same routine, so it's important to occassionally vary your workout to trick your body, and to also keep yourself interested so you don't go on the lamb for a few weeks here and there.

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 04:23 PM
I haven't really fallen off yet, I actually lost four lbs AFTER coming back from vacation, how I have no clue..but I must be doing something right lol. As far as dieting I have been obsessively strict w myself, sans this past weekend of extreme cheating of course.

Coco69
06-11-2007, 04:23 PM
i like toned tummies like brooke burk. i don't like too muscle packs there either, that looks better on men.

btw thx for the tips. :)

denisek
06-11-2007, 04:25 PM
If you have cable there is an ab routine that I do at home on the Exercise on Demand channel called "Great Abs". This has been the best ab workout so far for me. I do it every other day tho. If you do it every day you're not giving your muscle a chance to regenerate.
Try it and see if it kicks your ass. I don't really like doing abs at the gym unless it's the incline bench wich is a good workout also.

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 04:28 PM
If you have cable there is an ab routine that I do at home on the Exercise on Demand channel called "Great Abs". This has been the best ab workout so far for me. I do it every other day tho. If you do it every day you're not giving your muscle a chance to regenerate.
Try it and see if it kicks your ass. I don't really like doing abs at the gym unless it's the incline bench wich is a good workout also.

I posted about this last week lolll.. Great Abs w Tony right? Been doing it 4 nights a week for 2 wks now, LOVE IT.

& it DEF kicks my ass!!!

I do the ab crunch @the gym too though, as well as 3 sets of 12 reps on the Precor.

denisek
06-11-2007, 04:31 PM
Yeah that's it! I love it! :)

sexxncandie
06-11-2007, 04:39 PM
verrrrry intense stuff :agree

woo
06-11-2007, 07:09 PM
i think u can get enough from this forum alone with tips and tricks as to how to build muscle. search and aask... peeps here are pretty knowledgable and friendly.

im surprised @ trainers myself who don't understand the physiology of muscle building. it really is a hit or miss with them unfortunately.
some are trainers and students oin science of some sort, some are dedicated to fitness all around and they teach classes whatnot, others are just jailhouse trainers.. and there are some i have no clue why they are in that field.

check their certs for sure and for good faith id go with one who has at least a national cert and some educational background in body science.

i can tell you for NASM every year they give u the opt to take CEC courses and workshops to maintain the cert. it's hands on pro.

snowangel
06-12-2007, 10:12 AM
I haven't really fallen off yet, I actually lost four lbs AFTER coming back from vacation, how I have no clue..but I must be doing something right lol. As far as dieting I have been obsessively strict w myself, sans this past weekend of extreme cheating of course.

What kind of diet did you follow when you were losing weight? What was a normal day of eating for you?? Cardio how many times a week and how many times lifting? I'm just curious to see what worked for you...:agree

joe!
06-12-2007, 10:47 AM
i think u can get enough from this forum alone with tips and tricks as to how to build muscle. search and aask... peeps here are pretty knowledgable and friendly.

im surprised @ trainers myself who don't understand the physiology of muscle building. it really is a hit or miss with them unfortunately.
some are trainers and students oin science of some sort, some are dedicated to fitness all around and they teach classes whatnot, others are just jailhouse trainers.. and there are some i have no clue why they are in that field.

check their certs for sure and for good faith id go with one who has at least a national cert and some educational background in body science.

i can tell you for NASM every year they give u the opt to take CEC courses and workshops to maintain the cert. it's hands on pro.
:hmmm

sexxncandie
06-12-2007, 11:45 AM
What kind of diet did you follow when you were losing weight? What was a normal day of eating for you?? Cardio how many times a week and how many times lifting? I'm just curious to see what worked for you...:agree

I cut out bad carbs completely, in other words, absolutely no white rice (or any other kind except brown) and no pasta unless it was whole wheat.. no white bread whatsoever, no sweets, no sugar (only brown sugar or splenda) lots of fruits, vegetables, protein ( a lot of chicken), fish, almost no red meat at all. Snacks I limited to just nuts (almonds mostly) or a piece of fruit or a nonfat milk & fruit smoothie... lots of eggs for breakfast, or whole wheat w PB (which was basically like cheating for me, b/c for 2 wks straight I ate no carbs at ALL).

Cardio 5+ X a week and I never really "lifted" but did some work on the machines at least 3-4 X a week + pilates 2X a week + abs @home daily. The first month or so I did HIIT almost everyday on the treadmill, then I did the arc trainer - made sure I was burning at least 400 calories in 30mins daily.

woo
06-12-2007, 06:54 PM
:hmmm

refer to the original post where she was considering getting a trainer... and the first page of replies discussing the validity of hiring one, since many aren't too keen on body building and whatnot.

Chris
06-12-2007, 11:45 PM
i think the best person to train you is you. we know and can feel whats right and working and whats not. it really is a trial and error thing until you find out what works for you diet wise workout wise and such. the 1 good thing about working out is sans some eating habits and possible bad form, your constantly (even if your doing stuff thats not optimal) working in a linear direction toward 1 common goal. so as long as you keep getting in the gym your good to go.

Chris
06-12-2007, 11:49 PM
I cut out bad carbs completely, in other words, absolutely no white rice (or any other kind except brown) and no pasta unless it was whole wheat.. no white bread whatsoever, no sweets, no sugar (only brown sugar or splenda) lots of fruits, vegetables, protein ( a lot of chicken), fish, almost no red meat at all. Snacks I limited to just nuts (almonds mostly) or a piece of fruit or a nonfat milk & fruit smoothie... lots of eggs for breakfast, or whole wheat w PB (which was basically like cheating for me, b/c for 2 wks straight I ate no carbs at ALL).

Cardio 5+ X a week and I never really "lifted" but did some work on the machines at least 3-4 X a week + pilates 2X a week + abs @home daily. The first month or so I did HIIT almost everyday on the treadmill, then I did the arc trainer - made sure I was burning at least 400 calories in 30mins daily.

whoa thats tooooo much cardio in my opinion. your losing weight but muscle in the process. slow down your gonna burn your eyebrows off!!! lol

where are you resting in all this?

cardio no more than 4 days a week tops, too your doing pilates so thats an anerobic workout 2 times a week and workign out 3-4 stomach everyday is unnessecary. its a muscle its gotta heal if you constantly break it down without letting it heal your doing opposite of what your trying to do (build muscle there)
if your doing hiit thats all you should do no other cardio at all for the day. gotta remember this is all a process its not gonna happen over night nor would you want it to thats not healthy.

Snowrider
06-12-2007, 11:52 PM
whoa thats tooooo much cardio in my opinion. your losing weight but muscle in the process. slow down your gonna burn your eyebrows off!!! lol

where are you resting in all this?

cardio no more than 4 days a week tops, too your doing pilates so thats an anerobic workout 2 times a week and workign out 3-4 stomach everyday is unnessecary. its a muscle its gotta heal if you constantly break it down without letting it heal your doing opposite of what your trying to do (build muscle there)
if your doing hiit thats all you should do no other cardio at all for the day. gotta remember this is all a process its not gonna happen over night nor would you want it to thats not healthy.

Listen to Chris....his girl is in GREAT shape!

The Kid
06-12-2007, 11:55 PM
Increase your weights and less reps. Drink protein shakes.

LOL...that was funny. Too bad its easier said then done.

There is a reason why everyone isnt a monster at the gym.

TIANA
06-13-2007, 09:37 AM
Everyother day.... I superset whatever body part i am doing with abs. So if I am doing back, I will do:

1 set of pullups
1 set of abs on the physio-ball
rest
repeat 2 times

1 set of cable pulley rows
1 set of crunches on the flat bench, feet on bench
rest
repeat 2 times

etc... etc...

sexxncandie
06-13-2007, 09:55 AM
whoa thats tooooo much cardio in my opinion. your losing weight but muscle in the process. slow down your gonna burn your eyebrows off!!! lol

where are you resting in all this?

cardio no more than 4 days a week tops, too your doing pilates so thats an anerobic workout 2 times a week and workign out 3-4 stomach everyday is unnessecary. its a muscle its gotta heal if you constantly break it down without letting it heal your doing opposite of what your trying to do (build muscle there)
if your doing hiit thats all you should do no other cardio at all for the day. gotta remember this is all a process its not gonna happen over night nor would you want it to thats not healthy.

lolol

I'm not doing that routine anymore.. but I did it for 2-3 mos. and lost 20 lbs which was my goal.

Now im doing cardio only 3X a week, no HIIT, just arc trainer (altho i think I am gonna switch back to the treadmill @a steady pace & increase my incline, cut down on time). & I am doing abs 4X a week now, a 7 mins abs exercise on Demand @home. I am not doing pilates/yoga anymore either unfortunately b/c my summer schedule doesn't allow for it.

Anyway I was always "skinny" but I let myself go and somehow gained 20 lbs in a year, so I was obsessively trying to get back down to my normal weight. Now I am 120 (5'7") and could not be happier w my weight.. if I lose anymore though I will be too thin, so I just want to build muscle now :lifting

TheHipHopBillGates
06-13-2007, 10:44 AM
i think the best person to train you is you. we know and can feel whats right and working and whats not. it really is a trial and error thing until you find out what works for you diet wise workout wise and such. the 1 good thing about working out is sans some eating habits and possible bad form, your constantly (even if your doing stuff thats not optimal) working in a linear direction toward 1 common goal. so as long as you keep getting in the gym your good to go.

exactly everyone's body is so different what works for one person might not neccessarily work for the next.

Chris
06-13-2007, 12:55 PM
lolol

I'm not doing that routine anymore.. but I did it for 2-3 mos. and lost 20 lbs which was my goal.

Now im doing cardio only 3X a week, no HIIT, just arc trainer (altho i think I am gonna switch back to the treadmill @a steady pace & increase my incline, cut down on time). & I am doing abs 4X a week now, a 7 mins abs exercise on Demand @home. I am not doing pilates/yoga anymore either unfortunately b/c my summer schedule doesn't allow for it.

Anyway I was always "skinny" but I let myself go and somehow gained 20 lbs in a year, so I was obsessively trying to get back down to my normal weight. Now I am 120 (5'7") and could not be happier w my weight.. if I lose anymore though I will be too thin, so I just want to build muscle now :lifting

then its time to pump some iron.

Chris
06-13-2007, 12:55 PM
Listen to Chris....his girl is in GREAT shape!

so is your wife!

woo
06-14-2007, 06:25 AM
Everyother day.... I superset whatever body part i am doing with abs. So if I am doing back, I will do:

1 set of pullups
1 set of abs on the physio-ball
rest
repeat 2 times

1 set of cable pulley rows
1 set of crunches on the flat bench, feet on bench
rest
repeat 2 times

etc... etc...

so u do abs everyday?

TIANA
06-14-2007, 09:50 AM
so u do abs everyday?

no, i shoot for every other day. gotta let them rest :)

although, i did about 6 sets of abs last night at the end of my workout.... when i did the superset thing the day before... i dunno... just felt like blasting them a little bit. :shrugger

woo
06-14-2007, 11:13 PM
no, i shoot for every other day. gotta let them rest :)

although, i did about 6 sets of abs last night at the end of my workout.... when i did the superset thing the day before... i dunno... just felt like blasting them a little bit. :shrugger

and it's june... when's the photoshoot? :sneaky

TIANA
06-14-2007, 11:19 PM
ha haaaa ;) i'll keep you posted.

woo
06-14-2007, 11:21 PM
literally :type
:heart

denisek
06-14-2007, 11:51 PM
LOL...that was funny. Too bad its easier said then done.

There is a reason why everyone isnt a monster at the gym.

Really? What's so funny about increasing resistance? I thought the initial post was about changing your routine to build muscle.
Maybe you can make a suggestion if that doesn't make sense to you....or just keep laughing out loud.