Attn Jamez: Muslim Woman brutally attack in LI Hate Crime

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http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--biasattack0916sep15,0,7797897.story

Waited over 10 days for you to post this maaaaaaan....

you are usually SO GOOD at posting muslim hate crimes, so good in fact you like to post events that happened 2-3 years ago....lol

well my friend where is the equal opportunity? this happened in our backyard, last week, under your boys Peter Kings District.... yet no word from him but he remembers to say that they are "too many mosques in this country" lol ... yet another great pick by Rudy for a team member!.....

Arent you sickened by these racists fucks? beating a lady (such pussies, at least jump someone who can defend themselves!) who is trying to live the american dream? isnt it just terrible, all the anti-islamic vandalism all over her store, they kicked and stabbed her then destroyed her store.... tisk tisk....

i guess you were just too busy researching the mistreatment of Iranian women in Iran to notice the beating of an Iranian woman here in NY.... understandable, lol.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Am I going to have to get the two of you a room? I guess his blantantly biased posting deserves this though......

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Am I going to have to get the two of you a room? I guess his blantantly biased posting deserves this though......

Mike, you know I dont start threads about things like these, EVER... anyone can run a search....its a sad incident, but im sure people in this forum are educated and know that things like these (whether a racist white or muslim) happen but are extreme unfortunate situations that dont represent all whites or all muslims, so i dont bother drilling these stories, flooding the forum.....

but this was needed just to address jamez threads that target the muslim community. If he wants to start negative threads about muslims, about some crazed muslim incidents in N.C. and Seattle a few years back, but not mention the above story, under his boys district (Peter King R-NY - On Rudys Team)..... well he needs to get called out.... just this once....

i never really like starting threads, i take more enjoyment in disputing the ones he starts, lol.....

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Mike, you know I dont start threads about things like these, EVER... anyone can run a search....its a sad incident, but im sure people in this forum are educated and know that things like these (whether a racist white or muslim) happen but are extreme unfortunate situations that dont represent all whites or all muslims, so i dont bother drilling these stories, flooding the forum.....

but this was needed just to address jamez threads that target the muslim community. If he wants to start negative threads about muslims, about some crazed muslim incidents in N.C. and Seattle a few years back, but not mention the above story, under his boys district (Peter King R-NY - On Rudys Team)..... well he needs to get called out.... just this once....

i never really like starting threads, i take more enjoyment in disputing the ones he starts, lol.....

no I know, I was just busting your chops. Everyone deals with blantant non-rational bias it different ways. It is sad that a lot of people that tend to be pro jew/israel can not also acknowledge that suffering goes on the other side of the fence too. It's retarded to believe that any one religion/entity is all evil or all innocent, with mass anything you're bound to have good and bad in both directions/sides.

Honestly I find James's unfalthered dedication to the right at this point to be serial.

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Honestly I find James's unfalthered dedication to the right at this point to be serial.

He definitely gets an A for loyalty

lol

[jameznyhc]

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--biasattack0916sep15,0,7797897.story

Waited over 10 days for you to post this maaaaaaan....

you are usually SO GOOD at posting muslim hate crimes, so good in fact you like to post events that happened 2-3 years ago....lol

well my friend where is the equal opportunity? this happened in our backyard, last week, under your boys Peter Kings District.... yet no word from him but he remembers to say that they are "too many mosques in this country" lol ... yet another great pick by Rudy for a team member!.....

Arent you sickened by these racists fucks? beating a lady (such pussies, at least jump someone who can defend themselves!) who is trying to live the american dream? isnt it just terrible, all the anti-islamic vandalism all over her store, they kicked and stabbed her then destroyed her store.... tisk tisk....

i guess you were just too busy researching the mistreatment of Iranian women in Iran to notice the beating of an Iranian woman here in NY.... understandable, lol.

i read the article..

1) they do not say what race or religion the attackers / suspects were or if they were male or female ..t

2) if they scrawled anti muslim comments on the mirror then in our great country they will be charged with a hate crime

3)yes they are absolutly total pussys for beating a woman thats sickening ...especially if these 2 assailants were men..

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i read the article..

1) they do not say what race or religion the attackers / suspects were or if they were male or female ..t

2) if they scrawled anti muslim comments on the mirror then in our great country they will be charged with a hate crime

3)yes they are absolutly total pussys for beating a woman thats sickening ...especially if these 2 assailants were men..

Good to see you are onboard. Shame you missed the story, usually you are on point. Next time.

[jameznyhc]

Good to see you are onboard. Shame you missed the story, usually you are on point. Next time.

whats ashame is how the media buried it! ..even alot of leftie sites i check never reported this..as for newsday im never on that site..

now what negative article did i post about muslims ?? you meant the 6 jewish women murdered this past year in seattle ? or the crazed cab driver from this year? ..lol that was back in march when i posted those..today i posted 2 articles by PRO_WESTERN MUSLIMS who understand the danger of radical islam a hell of alot more than you do i tend to take Amir Taheris word over yours or darius because you guys are americans .. As for you trying to paint me as anti muslim you look ridiculous because people will see how many articles i post by pro western muslims

3 articles i posted today ...

1)profiling nun gets searched at airport.. I got that from Michelle Malkins website she a asian american woman ..not some white right wing rumsfeld stereotype

2)The iranian woman was written by duh an pro westrn iranian woman

3)lebanon article.. written by Amir Tehari pro western muslim

i agree with muslims who are in the same political boat as me..especially muslims who escaped the torment like this girl had escaped to tell her story at how oppressive her own culture can be at times ..all the iranian bloggers in jail while this piece of shit hitler spews his hatred from columbia..

Maybe if you lived in a country that hangs teenage boys in public for being gay you might appreciate why spreading democracy women rights and human rights is the only real tool to combat this problem in the long run

but your only concern is to bash middle americans lol ...with your racist southern cracks weve seen repeatedly ..

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whats ashame is how the media buried it! ..even alot of leftie sites i check never reported this..as for newsday im never on that site..

now what negative article did i post about muslims ?? you meant the 6 jewish women murdered this past year in seattle ? or the crazed cab driver from this year? ..lol that was back in march when i posted those..today i posted 2 articles by PRO_WESTERN MUSLIMS who understand the danger of radical islam a hell of alot more than you do i tend to take Amir Taheris word over yours or darius because you guys are americans .. As for you trying to paint me as anti muslim you look ridiculous because people will see how many articles i post by pro western muslims

3 articles i posted today ...

1)profiling nun gets searched at airport.. I got that from Michelle Malkins website she a asian american woman ..not some white right wing rumsfeld stereotype

2)The iranian woman was written by duh an pro westrn iranian woman

3)lebanon article.. written by Amir Tehari pro western muslim

i agree with muslims who are in the same political boat as me..especially muslims who escaped the torment like this girl had escaped to tell her story at how oppressive her own culture can be at times ..all the iranian bloggers in jail while this piece of shit hitler spews his hatred from columbia..

Maybe if you lived in a country that hangs teenage boys in public for being gay you might appreciate why spreading democracy women rights and human rights is the only real tool to combat this problem in the long run

but your only concern is to bash middle americans lol ...with your racist southern cracks weve seen repeatedly ..


Listen man, its ok that you are an islamophobe. Its very understanable, since you idolize neocon/zionists/rightwingers and read their junk/propaganda - they try to drill that message, and every once and a while they catch a live one, you being a perfect example. Keep reading the nypost and watch FOX and youll never see this story of this poor Iranian woman. Just imagine if it was two palestinians who stabbed and beat with a hammer an old jewish-american woman on the uppereast side, lol ... we would be seeing posts from you till 2012.

I dont blame you, you dont know any better cuz. In all honesty, what you need to do is come with me to an Eid ul-Fitr dinner at one of my palestinian friends house. Im not muslim, yet they will open their doors to me and you to join them in a feast to mark the end of ramadan (oct 13) .... youll see just how warm, intelligent, and tolerant these people are, and I promise you the next morning youll burn all the Norman Podhoretz, National Review, etc junk articles and books.....

come my son, come into the light and away from fear, intolerance, hate .... your turning the corner, your almost there.....

the invitation is on the table..... truely

[just b u]

Listen man, its ok that you are an islamophobe. Its very understanable, since you idolize neocon/zionists/rightwingers and read their junk/propaganda - they try to drill that message, and every once and a while they catch a live one, you being a perfect example. Keep reading the nypost and watch FOX and youll never see this story of this poor Iranian woman. Just imagine if it was two palestinians who stabbed and beat with a hammer an old jewish-american woman on the uppereast side, lol ... we would be seeing posts from you till 2012.

I dont blame you, you dont know any better cuz. In all honesty, what you need to do is come with me to an Eid ul-Fitr dinner at one of my palestinian friends house. Im not muslim, yet they will open their doors to me and you to join them in a feast to mark the end of ramadan (oct 13) .... youll see just how warm, intelligent, and tolerant these people are, and I promise you the next morning youll burn all the Norman Podhoretz, National Review, etc junk articles and books.....

come my son, come into the light and away from fear, intolerance, hate .... your turning the corner, your almost there.....

the invitation is on the table..... truely
Nothing wrong with zionists, everyone pushes their ideas. and as IF CNN doesnt lie, wtfff.

and then let me get this straight, this woman was beat up by who? Jews?

Not alllll muslims are fanatics who kill innocent pple i guess but it sickens me that even the muslim organizations like CARE and others refuse to call terrorist groups terrorists. How many radio shows have i heard where these representatives slip and call groups like Al Qaeda freedom fighters :wallbang :wallbang :wallbang


and I HIGHLY doubt that in this sad story the assailants were jews.

sorry for the rant but grrrr lol

[Studz]

Nothing wrong with zionists, everyone pushes their ideas. and as IF CNN doesnt lie, wtfff.

and then let me get this straight, this woman was beat up by who? Jews?

Not alllll muslims are fanatics who kill innocent pple i guess but it sickens me that even the muslim organizations like CARE and others refuse to call terrorist groups terrorists. How many radio shows have i heard where these representatives slip and call groups like Al Qaeda freedom fighters :wallbang :wallbang :wallbang


and I HIGHLY doubt that in this sad story the assailants were jews.

sorry for the rant but grrrr lol

I have never heard anyone say that alqaeda are freedom fighters. EVER on any show.

Please do not cross the plastinian peoples situation with the likes of alqeada. Its the only argument nut jobs like ahmadangouckhimself has to put forth.

I know your a loyal zionist but lets not switch topics please.

[just b u]

I have never heard anyone say that alqaeda are freedom fighters. EVER on any show.

Please do not cross the plastinian peoples situation with the likes of alqeada. Its the only argument nut jobs like ahmadangouckhimself has to put forth.

I know your a loyal zionist but lets not switch topics please.
fine i wont jump there, but i still want my answers answered. jews or not? perhaps this wasnt even a hate crime. want more details.

btw the last time i heard a muslim organization, forgot which one, slip up and call terrorist freedom fighters was on the steve mulsberry show. the topic was about the incident in ft. nix or dix lol (forgot the name). and a representative from a mosque in that area spoke on the show. and she refused to call terrorist groups terrorists. and she actualy said that for some they are freedom fighters, as if there is nothing wrong with that!!! and they were affiliated with CARE. anyway

as for palestinians, again their own dont want to give them land, so now they want to be handed the land that was won by israel and made profitable by smart jews? give me a break. again i guess SOME are not brainwashed :shrugger

[Studz]

fine i wont jump there, but i still want my answers answered. jews or not? perhaps this wasnt even a hate crime. want more details.

btw the last time i heard a muslim organization, forgot which one, slip up and call terrorist freedom fighters was on the steve mulsberry show. the topic was about the incident in ft. nix or dix lol (forgot the name). and a representative from a mosque in that area spoke on the show. and she refused to call terrorist groups terrorists. and she actually said that for some they are freedom fighters, as if there is nothing wrong with that!!! and they were affiliated with CARE. anyway

as for Palestinians, again their own dont want to give them land, so now they want to be handed the land that was won by Israel and made profitable by smart jews? give me a break. again i guess SOME are not brainwashed :shrugger


okay she said to some (like the extremist fanatics) not to the rest of the Muslim world. And those guys that attacked for Dix cant be really be categorized as terrorists. They are more like idiots. They are attacking a military target so there act isn't really a terrorist act its more a military attack on our fort and they are stupid for trying such an attack and I'm glad they are getting what they got. And if you want to be a part of care all u have to do is send in a pledge and ur automatically a member. Just like all the other organizations out there.

NOW please don't say there own don't want to give them there own land. I know Palestinians that still have the KEYS of the houses that the Israeli's kicked them out when Israel was first formed.

Its like me kicking you out of your house and telling you its your cousins fault cause he didn't want to make you move in with him. Palestinans have recognized its right to exist now but they have yet to move down to the 1967 border as the UN resoultuion mandates and there are more settlements popping up in the west bank than ever. SO again i ask you not to bring it there.

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fine i wont jump there, but i still want my answers answered. jews or not? perhaps this wasnt even a hate crime. want more details.

btw the last time i heard a muslim organization, forgot which one, slip up and call terrorist freedom fighters was on the steve mulsberry show. the topic was about the incident in ft. nix or dix lol (forgot the name). and a representative from a mosque in that area spoke on the show. and she refused to call terrorist groups terrorists. and she actualy said that for some they are freedom fighters, as if there is nothing wrong with that!!! and they were affiliated with CARE. anyway

as for palestinians, again their own dont want to give them land, so now they want to be handed the land that was won by israel and made profitable by smart jews? give me a break. again i guess SOME are not brainwashed :shrugger


It's the Fort Dix six, and it's Steve Malzberg and CAIR, sorry to correct you but you have a great point which would be more credible if the references used were correct.Al Quida and the Palestinians share the same jihadist agenda. Even Abbass's so-called moderate PA was giving out candy in the streets on the anniversary of 9/11 and showing cartoons in the PA run news paper stating that Jews were behind 9/11, a view shared by most of the arab world.

No way in hell has the Palestinians recognized Israel's right to exsist, school books are printed to this day without Israel being on the map and the whole exsistance of Hamas who now run Gaza is based on the destruction of Israel.

Carry on.

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Nothing wrong with zionists, everyone pushes their ideas. and as IF CNN doesnt lie, wtfff.

and then let me get this straight, this woman was beat up by who? Jews?

Not alllll muslims are fanatics who kill innocent pple i guess but it sickens me that even the muslim organizations like CARE and others refuse to call terrorist groups terrorists. How many radio shows have i heard where these representatives slip and call groups like Al Qaeda freedom fighters :wallbang :wallbang :wallbang


and I HIGHLY doubt that in this sad story the assailants were jews.

sorry for the rant but grrrr lol

Who said they were Jews?

They were two men and their ethnicity is unconfirmed. The story is that she got beaten and stabbed by people who defaced her store with anti muslim graffiti and left her badly wounded. Nothing to do with Jews, its in a white conservative area, so probability is that they werent jews but probably some misguided, ignorant white kids from LI ... simple as that. But again there are no confirmed reports about the identity and there is a pending police probe on the matter....



And I have NEVER heard CAIR call Al Qeada resistance fighters, lol..... please provide a link to that....

And Zionists is an ideology that I definitely dont believe in, just like I dont believe in any religious ideology that says the holy land belongs to muslims.... I think things a "jewish" state, or a "muslim state" is wrong and against my principles....im for secular governments who let all their inhabitants live in peace with each other with the same statehood status and work together in harmony.... by shutting out one type of people for another, it will only lead to violence. And now Zionists are the KEY players in the NeoConservative movement and many say that influential Zionists in the political arena are the ones who are pushing for war with Iran as they did with Iraq...and thats where I have a HUGE problem.

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It's the Fort Dix six, and it's Steve Malzberg and CAIR, sorry to correct you but you have a great point which would be more credible if the references used were correct.Al Quida and the Palestinians share the same jihadist agenda. Even Abbass's so-called moderate PA was giving out candy in the streets on the anniversary of 9/11 and showing cartoons in the PA run news paper stating that Jews were behind 9/11, a view shared by most of the arab world.

No way in hell has the Palestinians recognized Israel's right to exsist, school books are printed to this day without Israel being on the map and the whole exsistance of Hamas who now run Gaza is based on the destruction of Israel.

Carry on.

lolz

[Studz]

It's the Fort Dix six, and it's Steve Malzberg and CAIR, sorry to correct you but you have a great point which would be more credible if the references used were correct.Al Quida and the Palestinians share the same jihadist agenda. Even Abbass's so-called moderate PA was giving out candy in the streets on the anniversary of 9/11 and showing cartoons in the PA run news paper stating that Jews were behind 9/11, a view shared by most of the arab world.

No way in hell has the Palestinians recognized Israel's right to exsist, school books are printed to this day without Israel being on the map and the whole exsistance of Hamas who now run Gaza is based on the destruction of Israel.

Carry on.

thank god for people like you. I dont have to show examples of how how rightwing zionists think and view palestinians as "jihadis" and and try to link 9/11 by posting about FALSE propaganda.

You sure this is not jamez ?

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Who said they were Jews?

They were two men and their ethnicity is unconfirmed. The story is that she got beaten and stabbed by people who defaced her store with anti muslim graffiti and left her badly wounded. Nothing to do with Jews, its in a white conservative area, so probability is that they werent jews but probably some misguided, ignorant white kids from LI ... simple as that. But again there are no confirmed reports about the identity and there is a pending police probe on the matter....



And I have NEVER heard CAIR call Al Qeada resistance fighters, lol..... please provide a link to that....

And Zionists is an ideology that I definitely dont believe in, just like I dont believe in any religious ideology that says the holy land belongs to muslims.... I think things a "jewish" state, or a "muslim state" is wrong and against my principles....im for secular governments who let all their inhabitants live in peace with each other with the same statehood status and work together in harmony.... by shutting out one type of people for another, it will only lead to violence. And now Zionists are the KEY players in the NeoConservative movement and many say that influential Zionists in the political arena are the ones who are pushing for war with Iran as they did with Iraq...and thats where I have a HUGE problem.

Maybe not that exact quote but here are some great things CAIR has been involved in, I'm sure they're doing the moderate American-Muslim community a greeeeat service by actions like these.


Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a “Ismail” Royer, pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan. Royer’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR

CAIR's Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi , was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a terror-financing front group. Khafagi pled guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt.
Khafagi’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

On December 18, 2002, Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation, and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things, making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy and money laundering. Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.

CAIR Board Member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing, has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic caliphate, and warned that America will crumble unless it accepts Islam.

Rabih Haddad served as a CAIR Fundraiser. Haddad was co-founder of the Global Relief Foundation (“GRF”). GRF was designated by the US Treasury Department for financing the Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations
and its assets were frozen by the US Government on December 14, 2001.

Consistent with Hamas ideology, CAIR has served as a conduit for the distribution of materials and funds from foreign nationals
to groups and institutions within the United States for the purpose of promoting radical Islam and Hamas ideology,
and attacked Islamic clerics and scholars who reject radical Islam and the Hamas agenda.

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Nothing wrong with zionists, everyone pushes their ideas. and as IF CNN doesnt lie, wtfff.

and then let me get this straight, this woman was beat up by who? Jews?

Not alllll muslims are fanatics who kill innocent pple i guess but it sickens me that even the muslim organizations like CARE and others refuse to call terrorist groups terrorists. How many radio shows have i heard where these representatives slip and call groups like Al Qaeda freedom fighters :wallbang :wallbang :wallbang


and I HIGHLY doubt that in this sad story the assailants were jews.

sorry for the rant but grrrr lol

you are aware that zionists think your a piece of shit right? They're just as fanatical and discirmitive within their own religion as several muslim denominations.

[just b u]

Who said they were Jews?

They were two men and their ethnicity is unconfirmed. The story is that she got beaten and stabbed by people who defaced her store with anti muslim graffiti and left her badly wounded. Nothing to do with Jews, its in a white conservative area, so probability is that they werent jews but probably some misguided, ignorant white kids from LI ... simple as that. But again there are no confirmed reports about the identity and there is a pending police probe on the matter....



And I have NEVER heard CAIR call Al Qeada resistance fighters, lol..... please provide a link to that....

And Zionists is an ideology that I definitely dont believe in, just like I dont believe in any religious ideology that says the holy land belongs to muslims.... I think things a "jewish" state, or a "muslim state" is wrong and against my principles....im for secular governments who let all their inhabitants live in peace with each other with the same statehood status and work together in harmony.... by shutting out one type of people for another, it will only lead to violence. And now Zionists are the KEY players in the NeoConservative movement and many say that influential Zionists in the political arena are the ones who are pushing for war with Iran as they did with Iraq...and thats where I have a HUGE problem.
its great that you believe that, i respect that. but it's wishful thinking, living in harmony. how can you live in harmony with pple who are brainwashed to hate you and sent off kids with bombs to kill your civilians. how can you live in harmony with pple who constantly break peace treaties and kill your own women and children? with pple who you keep on giving land to and its never enough.

I understand you're not a jew and you dont understand how important it is to have our land, that we after all said and done fought over after we were granted it, and won. how important it is for us jews to have a land of our own, so something like the holocaust doesnt happen again. where we jews tried to assimilate with others, but still we were singled out and used as scape goats. i understand you dont understand these things but to me they're very important.

and studz btw no difference betwn what palestinians do and al qaeda, just on a smaller scale, thats all.


and lolz thank you for the corrections, i suck at details. i usually get the overall picture and forget names and dates lol

[just b u]

you are aware that zionists think your a piece of shit right? They're just as fanatical and discirmitive within their own religion as several muslim denominations.
met with a few recently actually. they loved me lol

[jameznyhc]

you are aware that zionists think your a piece of shit right? They're just as fanatical and discirmitive within their own religion as several muslim denominations.

oh really when was the last time a rabbi blew up an arab nightclub , or restaurant, or a crowded bus... how dare you compare the 2.. i dont see young jewish adults strapping bombs on themselves trying to purposely kill women and children .. theres a huge difference in the cultures

[lolz]

thank god for people like you. I dont have to show examples of how how rightwing zionists think and view palestinians as "jihadis" and and try to link 9/11 by posting about FALSE propaganda.

You sure this is not jamez ?

Here you go, some cartoons by published the PA press but I am sure that you will discredit these by saying they are from an Jewish newspaper, like agood Mooslim should.

And the Jews run every single news outlet out there and the whole world too

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57696

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123704

http://www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2007/09/pa_celebrates_9.php

[TheHipHopBillGates]

oh really when was the last time a rabbi blew up an arab nightclub , or restaurant, or a crowded bus... how dare you compare the 2.. i dont see young jewish adults strapping bombs on themselves trying to purposely kill women and children .. theres a huge difference in the cultures

zionists even think israeli & hadsictic are bad jews, not to mention what they think of americanized jews, it's like the 5 & 10%ers of that are muslim, and how can you compare how war's are fought, comparing two of the strongest, richest, most military advanced countries, to some of the most poverty stricken countries is crazy, if you live in a mud hut, and you see family member after family member raped, shot, taken advantage of etc............you just can't goto local 7-11 and get a macho one to bomb some villages, you're not going to stand toe to toe with someone ten times your size, you pick up the first thing you see and fight strategically, you really think David would have walked right up and beat Goliath with a walking stick? come on. you have some ability to rationalize right?

extremist is ludacris in any form, and zionists are extremists, they just use their money to fight their battles.

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oh really when was the last time a rabbi blew up an arab nightclub , or restaurant, or a crowded bus... how dare you compare the 2.. i dont see young jewish adults strapping bombs on themselves trying to purposely kill women and children .. theres a huge difference in the cultures

when was the last time a palestinian jump into an f-16 or apache helicopter and dropped a two ton bomb on a densily populated apartment building? when was the last time you saw palestinians drop 3 million cluster bombs in the last hours of a war as a thank you card... so that kids can pick them up and play with them. when was the last time you saw a palestinian shoot an israeli for throwing a rock at his tank?..... when was the last time you saw palestinians piss on the shoes of israeli women that have stood in a 4 hour line at a checkpoint in 100 degree weather to get to the next town (1/2 a mile away) ? When was the last time you saw a palestinian bulldoze your home to leave an israeli family homeless because of something their cousin did?


you see Jamez two can play that game, and it makes you so pathetically bias towards one side if you can admit that both sides have and are doing horrific things to each other.... whether its getting killed in a bus by a suicide bomber or getting killed by an israeli bomb dropped on your building...both a equally wrong, equally deadly, equally messy.....

so dont play your spin machine here, cause it wont work......... far too many educated people in this board to see through your shit......


both sides are wrong whenever they use violence "in defense" of their people

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its great that you believe that, i respect that. but it's wishful thinking, living in harmony. how can you live in harmony with pple who are brainwashed to hate you and sent off kids with bombs to kill your civilians. how can you live in harmony with pple who constantly break peace treaties and kill your own women and children? with pple who you keep on giving land to and its never enough.



I would really would love to hear what is taught in the settlers homes to their children about Palestinians... lol ... it wont be pretty, trust me. They are all brainwashed.

[jameznyhc]

when was the last time a palestinian jump into an f-16 or apache helicopter and dropped a two ton bomb on a densily populated apartment building? when was the last time you saw palestinians drop 3 million cluster bombs in the last hours of a war as a thank you card... so that kids can pick them up and play with them. when was the last time you saw a palestinian shoot an israeli for throwing a rock at his tank?..... when was the last time you saw palestinians piss on the shoes of israeli women that have stood in a 4 hour line at a checkpoint in 100 degree weather to get to the next town (1/2 a mile away) ? When was the last time you saw a palestinian bulldoze your home to leave an israeli family homeless because of something their cousin did?


you see Jamez two can play that game, and it makes you so pathetically bias towards one side if you can admit that both sides have and are doing horrific things to each other.... whether its getting killed in a bus by a suicide bomber or getting killed by an israeli bomb dropped on your building...both a equally wrong, equally deadly, equally messy.....

so dont play your spin machine here, cause it wont work......... far too many educated people in this board to see through your shit......


both sides are wrong whenever they use violence "in defense" of their people


Big differnce ..israeli targets terrorists .. not civilians

[jameznyhc]

I would really would love to hear what is taught in the settlers homes to their children about Palestinians... lol ... it wont be pretty, trust me. They are all brainwashed.


but the jewish kids dont become suicide bombers ..again huge difference

with palestinian kids its indoctrinated into them starting in kidergarden ...hence the Hamas mickey mouse

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Big differnce ..israeli targets terrorists .. not civilians

yeah they "target" terrorists and kill 20 at a time when doing so.... tisk tisk.

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but the jewish kids dont become suicide bombers ..again huge difference

with palestinian kids its indoctrinated into them starting in kidergarden ...hence the Hamas mickey mouse

again, they dont need to.... they have the IDF handle the messy stuff....
tisk tisk

[jameznyhc]

again, they dont need to.... they have the IDF handle the messy stuff....
tisk tisk

and the hamas mickey mouse ?? are you fuckin kidding me ..how on earth could any society accept such hatred and racism in this day and age

[just b u]

Jamez who ever you are i love you.

and hip hop you trying to justify the actions of palestinian terrorist is enough for me to disrespect your opinion in this topic. you're a smart guy, but to try to rationalize terrorism is beyond me.

Jews are not brainwashed, we're educated pple who live in a democratic environment. where we can read and think for ourselves. We are not brainwashed.

Hip hop remember Israel has given in to toooo many peace treaties, given away land ONLY to be slapped in the face with it's civilians body parties lying splattered all over civilian streets.

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and the hamas mickey mouse ?? are you fuckin kidding me ..how on earth could any society accept such hatred and racism in this day and age

if your side of the arguement hinges on a mickey mouse show then i feel sorry for you.... just like the patreus ad, just like swiftboat ads, its the fuel the right wing lives on

THINK BIG MAN.... think OCCUPATION, think IRAQ WAR, Think INJUSTICE on a collective scale....


Great saying used in the business world "step away from the trees and see the forest"

The NYPost is a few steps more enlightened than the Hamas mickey mouse, lol ... so I wouldnt use propaganda as a tool in your arguement ... ;)

[jameznyhc]

if your side of the arguement hinges on a mickey mouse show then i feel sorry for you.... just like the patreus ad, just like swiftboat ads, its the fuel the right wing lives on

THINK BIG MAN.... think OCCUPATION, think IRAQ WAR, Think INJUSTICE on a collective scale....


Great saying used in the business world "step away from the trees and see the forest"

The NYPost is a few steps more enlightened than the Hamas mickey mouse, lol ... so I wouldnt use propaganda as a tool in your arguement ... ;)


Ok so state sponsered television poisoning the minds of thousands of young children indoctrinating them into the destruction of israel ..and martyrdom is the root fuckin cause of all the palestinians obscene fascination with death and martyrdom ..while the educated lowlives send the poor impoverished palestinian who was taught jews are pigs when he was fuckin 4 years old is not a big deal ?? you just proved how pathetic you are ..ignorance is bliss my friend

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Jamez who ever you are i love you.

and hip hop you trying to justify the actions of palestinian terrorist is enough for me to disrespect your opinion in this topic. you're a smart guy, but to try to rationalize terrorism is beyond me.

Jews are not brainwashed, we're educated pple who live in a democratic environment. where we can read and think for ourselves. We are not brainwashed.

Hip hop remember Israel has given in to toooo many peace treaties, given away land ONLY to be slapped in the face with it's civilians body parties lying splattered all over civilian streets.

like I care what my opinion means to you, that fact is you don't show up to a gun fight with a kitchen knife. I don't know what I said about Jews being uneducated, I said the Zionists are radical fundamentalists that discriminate against their own kind, its a fucking fact, google their believes, and then get back with some semi-intelligent that doesn't just shoot down what I say because I know how to be open minded about a topic and not pro one side or the other. Maybe you'd like to pick up a Chomsky book and tell that jew his opinion doesn't mean anything to you either LOL

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Jamez who ever you are i love you.

and hip hop you trying to justify the actions of palestinian terrorist is enough for me to disrespect your opinion in this topic. you're a smart guy, but to try to rationalize terrorism is beyond me.

Jews are not brainwashed, we're educated pple who live in a democratic environment. where we can read and think for ourselves. We are not brainwashed.

Hip hop remember Israel has given in to toooo many peace treaties, given away land ONLY to be slapped in the face with it's civilians body parties lying splattered all over civilian streets.

You talk as if innocent palestinian blood hasnt been spilled (in larger numbers) as if suffering hasnt been endure by palestinians for decades?

its the fault of many people, poor leadership, the israeli occupation, the arab neighbors to abandon them .... too much too go around... but to whitewash all the the Israelis do as saintly is a reach to say the least....

Terror and heartache have been caused to both sides and should be ackowledged in their own respect.... to say "one deserves it" and the other doesnt, to say one does it to themselves and the other is innocent is just plain wrong........

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Ok so state sponsered television poisoning the minds of thousands of young children indoctrinating them into the destruction of israel ..and martyrdom is the root fuckin cause of all the palestinians obscene fascination with death and martyrdom ..while the educated lowlives send the poor impoverished palestinian who was taught jews are pigs when he was fuckin 4 years old is not a big deal ?? you just proved how pathetic you are ..ignorance is bliss my friend

is it any better then the post 9-11 Judith Miller lead propaganda the Bush Administration pumped out to get 3 ring circus/partial genocide going? Weapons of Mass Destruction(WMD for those who didn't know) poisoned thousands of unknowledgably americans.

[jameznyhc]

Jamez who ever you are i love you.

and hip hop you trying to justify the actions of palestinian terrorist is enough for me to disrespect your opinion in this topic. you're a smart guy, but to try to rationalize terrorism is beyond me.

Jews are not brainwashed, we're educated pple who live in a democratic environment. where we can read and think for ourselves. We are not brainwashed.

Hip hop remember Israel has given in to toooo many peace treaties, given away land ONLY to be slapped in the face with it's civilians body parties lying splattered all over civilian streets.

thankyou :heythere and excellent reply ..couldnt have said it better myself

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Ok so state sponsered television poisoning the minds of thousands of young children indoctrinating them into the destruction of israel ..and martyrdom is the root fuckin cause of all the palestinians obscene fascination with death and martyrdom ..while the educated lowlives send the poor impoverished palestinian who was taught jews are pigs when he was fuckin 4 years old is not a big deal ?? you just proved how pathetic you are ..ignorance is bliss my friend

your the ignorant one if you thing that all palestinians are sending their kids to kill themselves....

here is a homework assignment, give me the stats of how many suicide bombers there have been, and the entire population of palestinians worldwide..... give me a percentage son .... a gold star will be waiting for you

99.9% of palestinians want to live and want to raise their children and be successful..... the more you know cuz, enlightment is a great thing

go back to your coloring books, NYPost does a brain good let me tell you ... lol

[jameznyhc]

is it any better then the post 9-11 Judith Miller lead propaganda the Bush Administration pumped out to get 3 ring circus/partial genocide going? Weapons of Mass Destruction(WMD for those who didn't know) poisoned thousands of unknowledgably americans.

read my sig .. george tenet is too blame my friend .. so is british, russian, japanese, saudi, intelligence agencies all got it wrong ..we invaded along with 30 nations..

[TheHipHopBillGates]

read my sig .. george tenet is too blame my friend .. so is british, russian, japanese, saudi, intelligence agencies all got it wrong ..we invaded along with 30 nations..

you're right everyone but bush. he's the real victim here.

[jameznyhc]

your the ignorant one if you thing that all palestinians are sending their kids to kill themselves....

here is a homework assignment, give me the stats of how many suicide bombers there have been, and the entire population of palestinians worldwide..... give me a percentage son .... a gold star will be waiting for you

99.9% of palestinians want to live and want to raise their children and be successful..... the more you know cuz, enlightment is a great thing

go back to your coloring books, NYPost does a brain good let me tell you ... lol

nice spin job ..go back to bed until your ready to discuss what i posted :booted

[jameznyhc]

you're right everyone but bush. he's the real victim here.


Hillar clinton as well ..to tired to dig up quotes ..my sig says it all ..and that was 4 years before GW lol

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like I care what my opinion means to you, that fact is you don't show up to a gun fight with a kitchen knife. I don't know what I said about Jews being uneducated, I said the Zionists are radical fundamentalists that discriminate against their own kind, its a fucking fact, google their believes, and then get back with some semi-intelligent that doesn't just shoot down what I say because I know how to be open minded about a topic and not pro one side or the other. Maybe you'd like to pick up a Chomsky book and tell that jew his opinion doesn't mean anything to you either LOL

Noam Chomsky is a self-hating leftist moron, the jihadists even reference him whne making their televised speeches.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Hillar clinton as well ..to tired to dig up quotes ..my sig says it all ..and that was 4 years before GW lol

and every other democrat and person in america not tied to the republican party or bush administration right? so me and nidal are to blame too, it's our fault those reports said Iraq had wmd's???? :lostit

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nice spin job ..go back to bed until your ready to discuss what i posted :booted

spin job? great reply :heythere

I guess the dog ate your homework assignment :(

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Noam Chomsky is a self-hating leftist moron, the jihadists even reference him whne making their televised speeches.

he's a jew who's father had a phd in hebrew studies, if she's going to discredit my opinion so quickly for trying to be radical, it's obviously a only a black people can call another black person a n*gga type of thing.

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Noam Chomsky is a self-hating leftist moron, the jihadists even reference him whne making their televised speeches.


read a book of his rather than the POST and then talk.... youll do less "LOLz" and more Learning

but then again, intellectual literature, small print, complex academic theories, and geopolitics is something that may make your head hurt.... stick to the "EVIL HAS LANDED" stories...... loser

[jameznyhc]

and every other democrat and person in america not tied to the republican party or bush administration right? so me and nidal are to blame too, it's our fault those reports said Iraq had wmd's???? :lostit


:liesign ok wanna explain to me why Bill Clinton launched operation desert fox in 1998??...

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he's a jew who's father had a phd in hebrew studies, if she's going to discredit my opinion so quickly for trying to be radical, it's obviously a only a black people can call another black person a n*gga type of thing.

These kids are idiots... There are so many brilliant jews who ackowledge the negative impact Zionism and more importantly the occupation have on their own well being as a society....... Noam being the most famous....

but to tell you the truth, the people that are the most productive in helping the palestinians in their plight is not their arab cousins, but progressive Israelis who actually do "checkpoint watches" and take into account all houses that have been bulldozed and all wrongful deaths and then take it up to the Israeli courts......

true heroes that Jamez would call "self hating jews" lol

[jameznyhc]

read a book of his rather than the POST and then talk.... youll do less "LOLz" and more Learning

but then again, intellectual literature, small print, complex academic theories, and geopolitics is something that may make your head hurt.... stick to the "EVIL HAS LANDED" stories...... loser


:LOL wow man your just boiling with hatred ..kids first day on the board and you just gotta insult everyone who disagrees with you .. so tired son :yawn go back to bed

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:LOL wow man your just boiling with hatred ..kids first day on the board and you just gotta insult everyone who disagrees with you .. so tired son :yawn go back to bed

Hatred? hardly....

im waiting for your homework assignment, its late and im going to deduct a full letter grade eah hour I wait for it....

tisk tisk ...


Daddy is not going to help you like DUBYA, I WILL FAIL YOU!

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read a book of his rather than the POST and then talk.... youll do less "LOLz" and more Learning

but then again, intellectual literature, small print, complex academic theories, and geopolitics is something that may make your head hurt.... stick to the "EVIL HAS LANDED" stories...... loser


I have read his books, his leanings are towards radical leftism, socialism and other cancerous political beliefs, which he had blamed the "radical jews in ny", thus making him not only a slef-hater but also an anti-american scum which he clearly illustrated in the American Power and the New Mandarins which was against our involvemtn in attempting to stop the spread of communism in Vietnam.
I don't give a fuck how many books he has written or how many colleges he has delivered speeches at (Columbia just showed what degenerate cesspools places of higher learning have become in this country), the guy is still a moron, almost as much as you but not quite.,

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:LOL wow man your just boiling with hatred ..kids first day on the board and you just gotta insult everyone who disagrees with you .. so tired son :yawn go back to bed



Guy is just having meth withdrawls, or maybe his mommy didn't pack his lunch todfay, tis ok.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

:LOL wow man your just boiling with hatred ..kids first day on the board and you just gotta insult everyone who disagrees with you .. so tired son :yawn go back to bed

there's a difference between clarifying stupidity.

The bottom line is Zionists are fundamentalists period. It's no secret in a box, how is it even being debated?

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there's a difference between clarifying stupidity.

The bottom line is Zionists are fundamentalists period. It's no secret in a box, how is it even being debated?


Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, how is that comparible with a world wide religious war the mooslims are waging? Zionists want jews to have a home in a lland that was historically theirs, they're not syaing "kill or convert". ...
It's funny how the lefty hide their Jew hatred and say "oh I'm not anti-jewish, I'm just anti-zionist" basically translated as "fuck those media controlling, money hungry jews, let them live in displacement among people who hate them because they don't deserve their own land"..

[John Kennedy]

:liesign ok wanna explain to me why Bill Clinton launched operation desert fox in 1998??...

To take out Saddam's WMD capabilities?

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, how is that comparible with a world wide religious war the mooslims are waging? Zionists want jews to have a home in a lland that was historically theirs, they're not syaing "kill or convert". ...
It's funny how the lefty hide their Jew hatred and say "oh I'm not anti-jewish, I'm just anti-zionist" basically translated as "fuck those media controlling, money hungry jews, let them live in displacement among people who hate them because they don't deserve their own land"..

yeah I hate jews so much I just dated one for 3 years. brilliant. There is nothing wrong with the Jewish people having the land of Israel, it's Zionists looking down on other jews, specifically American Jews I have a problem with. Why don't you stop with the textbook responses, an actually approach a dissenting opinion rationally, I know that's hard to do but why don't you try it LOLZZZZZZZZZZZ

I hope you don't eat shellfish.

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yeah I hate jews so much I just dated one for 3 years. brilliant. There is nothing wrong with the Jewish people having the land of Israel, it's Zionists looking down on other jews, specifically American Jews I have a problem with. Why don't you stop with the textbook responses, an actually approach a dissenting opinion rationally, I know that's hard to do but why don't you try it LOLZZZZZZZZZZZ

I hope you don't eat shellfish.

Where are you getting this zionists looking down on other jews stuff from? How many real zionists have you actually talked to?
Spare me the bullshit that zionists talking down to other american jews bothers you.
Besides the first line in my post llooking like a text book response how was the rest of my post so?

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Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, how is that comparible with a world wide religious war the mooslims are waging? Zionists want jews to have a home in a lland that was historically theirs, they're not syaing "kill or convert". ...
It's funny how the lefty hide their Jew hatred and say "oh I'm not anti-jewish, I'm just anti-zionist" basically translated as "fuck those media controlling, money hungry jews, let them live in displacement among people who hate them because they don't deserve their own land"..

palestinians dont want their homeland? palestinians dont have historical ties to the land also? you speak as if its so cut and dry..... LOLZ...... the most debated topic in the history of man, and for you its like looking out the window and telling me the weather.....

both have ties, both can and have been brutal to each other, both have deep rooted hatred because of the violent acts acted out on their people and that in turn creates more violence...... thus the neverending cycle..... for every suicide bombing you can point to I can come up with palestinian innocents that got killed by Israelis the week before and vice versa.....

you and jamez continue to paint one side as monsters and the cause of all evil and the other side as angels..... and im saying BOTH are to blame and both have legitimate rights to the land .... who is the biased fanatic in this picture???/ Thanks, have a nice day.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Where are you getting this zionists looking down on other jews stuff from? How many real zionists have you actually talked to?
Spare me the bullshit that zionists talking down to other american jews bothers you.
Besides the first line in my post llooking like a text book response how was the rest of my post so?

Plenty, I've been to Jerusalem twice, have you? It's no secret, and hasidic jews also look down on other jews to, for the types of food they eat, the lives they live, they look down on american jews because they don't believe their supportive of the israeli state, that's a fact. Spare you what? you don't have to read or respond to my posts, but either way I'm going to have a problem with one group that thinks they're better or discriminates against another, so spare me another uneducated response.

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I have read his books, his leanings are towards radical leftism, socialism and other cancerous political beliefs, which he had blamed the "radical jews in ny", thus making him not only a slef-hater but also an anti-american scum which he clearly illustrated in the American Power and the New Mandarins which was against our involvemtn in attempting to stop the spread of communism in Vietnam.
I don't give a fuck how many books he has written or how many colleges he has delivered speeches at (Columbia just showed what degenerate cesspools places of higher learning have become in this country), the guy is still a moron, almost as much as you but not quite.,

the greatest linguist of our time a moron? over 50 books written a moron?...... keep reading NYPOST cuz..... lol..... I am longing for the day to read that paper and grasp the great intellectual material that you have mastered.....

pathetic.

go hide because the muslims are coming! the muslims are coming!

[jameznyhc]

Plenty, I've been to Jerusalem twice, have you? It's no secret, and hasidic jews also look down on other jews to, for the types of food they eat, the lives they live, they look down on american jews because they don't believe their supportive of the israeli state, that's a fact. Spare you what? you don't have to read or respond to my posts, but either way I'm going to have a problem with one group that thinks they're better or discriminates against another, so spare me another uneducated response.

your missing the point if those fundamentalist jews just like fundamentalist christians are not killing us..their not spreading their religion by the sword.. theyre not blowing up INNOCENT civilians ...get it?...who gives a fuck if theyre racist or homophobes they usually just isolate themselves from society anyway

[TheHipHopBillGates]

your missing the point if those fundamentalist jews just like fundamentalist christians are not killing us..their not spreading their religion by the sword.. theyre not blowing up INNOCENT civilians ...get it?...who gives a fuck if theyre racist or homophobes they usually just isolate themselves from society anyway

ok so because their our buddies that condones everything? your right, I was missing that. I also missed the fact that anyone in war like environments is innocent. I wonder if the people who Ghenghis Khan's Elephants crapped on felt the same way.

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Plenty, I've been to Jerusalem twice, have you? It's no secret, and hasidic jews also look down on other jews to, for the types of food they eat, the lives they live, they look down on american jews because they don't believe their supportive of the israeli state, that's a fact. Spare you what? you don't have to read or respond to my posts, but either way I'm going to have a problem with one group that thinks they're better or discriminates against another, so spare me another uneducated response.



I've been to Israel more than once, including living on a kibbutz, a lot of the Hasidim there do not even recognize Israel's right to exist, and they do not think Jews should be there until the messiah comes, so how can they even be Zionist if they don't believe in israel as a state, what the fuck are you even babbling about? That's why one sector of the hasidim went as far as attending the holocaust deniars conference.

There are some that may look down but you're confusing hasidim with zionists which are 2 different things altogether. . Where are you getting your facts from? your Biggie "hip-hop" cds?

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the greatest linguist of our time a moron? over 50 books written a moron?...... keep reading NYPOST cuz..... lol..... I am longing for the day to read that paper and grasp the great intellectual material that you have mastered.....

pathetic.

go hide because the muslims are coming! the muslims are coming!

I'm not your "cuz", so big deal he wrote books, if his books are based on an idiotic beliefs, then idiots will buy and read them, present company included.
Hitler wrote books, Carter wrote books (even bigger moron), Coultler wrote books, and as much as you read Mein kompf and memorized it, I'm sure you consider Coultler a moron but she too wrote books.
Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage, 2 people who I am sure you hate wrote books as well best sellers at that. Now wut son?

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your missing the point if those fundamentalist jews just like fundamentalist christians are not killing us..their not spreading their religion by the sword.. theyre not blowing up INNOCENT civilians ...get it?...who gives a fuck if theyre racist or homophobes they usually just isolate themselves from society anyway

When you have a 5 billion a year army to handle the dirty business you dont need to blow yourself up..... but id put the house on it, that if it was a free for all over there and there was no superior army, there would be slaughtering each other in equally disgusting ways.....

dont think because you have a cool IDF olive green uniform and you drop a cool bomb fedex'd from the states that its any less painful to die from it and any less messy, dont think the palestinian children that die from these are perfectly in tact and look like angels sleeping when they pass away..... their heads are one block and legs are on another block.....

so spare me the violin...... again, step away from the trees and look at the forest..... think past one step.... think past: Bad man walks into bus, bad man blows himself up, end of story.... there is decades of occupation, decades of opression, decades of terrorism, decades of humiliation .... cause and effect.... both sides do terrible things to each other.... the suicide bomber is the reason for the checkpoints, the collective punishment, the oppression ........ the the occupation and oppression is the reason for the suicide bomber

dropping knowledge on yo asses! lol

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I'm not your "cuz", so big deal he wrote books, if his books are based on an idiotic beliefs, then idiots will buy and read them, present company included.
Hitler wrote books, Carter wrote books (even bigger moron), Coultler wrote books, and as much as you read Mein kompf and memorized it, I'm sure you consider Coultler a moron but she too wrote books.
Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage, 2 people who I am sure you hate wrote books as well best sellers at that. Now wut son?

the difference is Noam's books require higher than a 4th grade education to read and conceptualize, so i totally understand how you would dismiss it.


NYPOST all the way CUZ!

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I've been to Israel more than once, including living on a kibbutz, a lot of the Hasidim there do not even recognize Israel's right to exist, and they do not think Jews should be there until the messiah comes, so how can they even be Zionist if they don't believe in israel as a state, what the fuck are you even babbling about? That's why one sector of the hasidim went as far as attending the holocaust deniars conference.

There are some that may look down but you're confusing hasidim with zionists which are 2 different things altogether. . Where are you getting your facts from? your Biggie "hip-hop" cds?

WOW im impressed...... now stay a week at a Palestinian refugee camp and then talk to me.... go to bed LOLZ! LOLZ.....

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WOW im impressed...... now stay a week at a Palestinian refugee camp and then talk to me.... go to bed LOLZ! LOLZ.....

And what come home with lice and fleas and staff infections, shit, I might as well stay at your house for that matter.

[jameznyhc]

When you have a 5 billion a year army to handle the dirty business you dont need to blow yourself up..... but id put the house on it, that if it was a free for all over there and there was no superior army, there would be slaughtering each other in equally disgusting ways.....

dont think because you have a cool IDF olive green uniform and you drop a cool bomb fedex'd from the states that its any less painful to die from it and any less messy, dont think the palestinian children that die from these are perfectly in tact and look like angels sleeping when they pass away..... their heads are one block and legs are on another block.....

so spare me the violin...... again, step away from the trees and look at the forest..... think past one step.... think past: Bad man walks into bus, bad man blows himself up, end of story.... there is decades of occupation, decades of opression, decades of terrorism, decades of humiliation .... cause and effect.... both sides do terrible things to each other.... the suicide bomber is the reason for the checkpoints, the collective punishment, the oppression ........ the the occupation and oppression is the reason for the suicide bomber

dropping knowledge on yo asses! lol

israel gave gaza back what did they get?? damn right you have checkpoints in israel thats was suicide bombings are so rare now!! the wall worked and thats a great thing .. let them build a society for themselves in their own neighborhoods.. with all the aid we supply abbas ..what does his muslim brother do to help him?? .. why was the hamas-fatah war so inhumane the war crimes committed were just on the level on the sub humane .. what about all the other beefs ..from sunni vs shia, shia on shia, al qaeda vs sunni , the muslims war with india, ..its not just israel my man ..its everywhere..look at terrorists in australia, britain, saudi arabia, pakistan, yemen, look at sudan ... please kid get a clue

[jameznyhc]

the difference is Noam's books require higher than a 4th grade education to read and conceptualize, so i totally understand how you would dismiss it.


NYPOST all the way CUZ!


isnt that the guy osama bin laden was praising?

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isnt that the guy osama bin laden was praising?

Sure was. No wonder why the left swings from his johnson so much.

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the wall worked and thats a great thing ..

it's actually a fence, the palistinians call it a wall because they are attempting to villianize it and make a comparison to the berlin wall to try to make themselves look victimized because they have nothing else to grasp at. but you are correct, it is a great thing

[Studz]

it's actually a fence, the palistinians call it a wall because they are attempting to villianize it and make a comparison to the berlin wall to try to make themselves look victimized because they have nothing else to grasp at. but you are correct, it is a great thing

looks like a wall to me, showing the truth since 1980 ill be here all day.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/images/the_wall.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Boy_and_soldier_in_front_of_Israeli_wall.jpg/800px-Boy_and_soldier_in_front_of_Israeli_wall.jpg

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And what come home with lice and fleas and staff infections, shit, I might as well stay at your house for that matter.

exactly serving my point.

Stay uninformed and you give brutally uninformed unanswers.... sorry cuz, this was a rough first day for you.. take a break, its ok... Even Jordan didnt make his freshman basketball team

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looks like a wall to me, showing the truth since 1980 ill be here all day.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/images/the_wall.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Boy_and_soldier_in_front_of_Israeli_wall.jpg/800px-Boy_and_soldier_in_front_of_Israeli_wall.jpg

LMAO...

the kid was to busy in his "kubbutz" to tour the "fence"

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to make themselves look victimized because they have nothing else to grasp at.

yeaaaaaaaaaa, nothing at all.... its club med over there.

[just b u]

hip hop i dont see how you can say that all zionists hate other jews like me lol maybe the publications you're read are so. but in real life buddy I've met many of them who live here but work for israel, and others who came here to work for a set many years and go back. these zionists have married jews like me who live here and not so religious. they were very friendly and informative towards me. so stop with this bulshit.

and and, ugh i wanted to find this article my brother read to be a while ago and i couldnt. about the liberal jews who decided to leave the greenhouse for the palestinians when the jews were kicked out. so that these palestinians could make money and be able to support themselves. again these greenhouses were not destroyed. and this cost millions for these liberals jews. and you know what these stupid palestenians did? burnt them to the ground. so defekted spare me with this pity for palestenians, i have none anymore.

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israel gave gaza back what did they get?? damn right you have checkpoints in israel thats was suicide bombings are so rare now!! the wall worked and thats a great thing .. let them build a society for themselves in their own neighborhoods.. with all the aid we supply abbas ..what does his muslim brother do to help him?? .. why was the hamas-fatah war so inhumane the war crimes committed were just on the level on the sub humane .. what about all the other beefs ..from sunni vs shia, shia on shia, al qaeda vs sunni , the muslims war with india, ..its not just israel my man ..its everywhere..look at terrorists in australia, britain, saudi arabia, pakistan, yemen, look at sudan ... please kid get a clue

1) i wasnt even talking about the wall, but thank for bringing up that terrible attempt for harmonious living....

2) Checkpoints have been in place since the occupation started, so the suicide bombings at its highest point or now which is rare has been happening while this checkpoints have existed (since the beginning).... and its probably the most humiliating and enraging aspect of the occupation, 99.9% of the population thats peaceful still have to wait for hours just to get to work.... its a perfect example of the daily humiliation of the palestinian people because of the occupation.....

3) good job lumping all muslim terrorists with the palestinian cause.... heard that one before (Saddam - AlQeada - Terror - Iraq - Mushroom Cloud - 9/11 - 9/11 - Saddam) .... sorry but you are actually talking to someone who has kept up with every fucking details from jerusalem to tehrain since I was 11....... way ahead of my time....not some american idol fanatic who watches the news to find out what the forecast is going to be for the weekend..... your lumping who what where and when is the kind of cheap tricks that make the NYpost famous.... doesnt work with me.....


4) Gaza was never a place to keep for the Israelis, it was a headache... Now let me see them give the West Bank to 67 borders and then we can talk.

[Studz]

hip hop i dont see how you can say that all zionists hate other jews like me lol maybe the publications you're read are so. but in real life buddy I've met many of them who live here but work for israel, and others who came here to work for a set many years and go back. these zionists have married jews like me who live here and not so religious. they were very friendly and informative towards me. so stop with this bulshit.

and and, ugh i wanted to find this article my brother read to be a while ago and i couldnt. about the liberal jews who decided to leave the greenhouse for the palestinians when the jews were kicked out. so that these palestinians could make money and be able to support themselves. again these greenhouses were not destroyed. and this cost millions for these liberals jews. and you know what these stupid palestenians did? burnt them to the ground. so defekted spare me with this pity for palestenians, i have none anymore.

Its okay this just shows ur a racist against Palestinians. Don't need to even respond to you, anymore. If your not going to use your mind and put the blame on both than don't contribute cause you are looking like a fool.

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and and, ugh i wanted to find this article my brother read to be a while ago and i couldnt. about the liberal jews who decided to leave the greenhouse for the palestinians when the jews were kicked out. so that these palestinians could make money and be able to support themselves. again these greenhouses were not destroyed. and this cost millions for these liberals jews. and you know what these stupid palestenians did? burnt them to the ground. so defekted spare me with this pity for palestenians, i have none anymore.

wikie:
The Israeli settlers of Gush Katif built greenhouses and experimented with new forms of agriculture. These greenhouses also provided employment for many hundred Gazan Palestinians. When Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in the Summer of 2005, the greenhouses were purchased with money raised by former World Bank president James Wolfensohn, and given to the Palestinian people to jump-start their economy. However, the effort faltered due to limited water supply, inability to export produce due to Israeli border restrictions, and corruption in the Palestinian Authority.[21] Most of the greenhouses were subsequently looted or destroyed.[22]

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defekted spare me with this pity for palestenians, i have none anymore.

Shame, your mentality is definitely part of the problem and not the solution.

[ShaE]

i never really like starting threads, i take more enjoyment in disputing the ones he starts, lol.....

you are the male me, at least on here lol

[jameznyhc]

wikie:
The Israeli settlers of Gush Katif built greenhouses and experimented with new forms of agriculture. These greenhouses also provided employment for many hundred Gazan Palestinians. When Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in the Summer of 2005, the greenhouses were purchased with money raised by former World Bank president James Wolfensohn, and given to the Palestinian people to jump-start their economy. However, the effort faltered due to limited water supply, inability to export produce due to Israeli border restrictions, and corruption in the Palestinian Authority.[21] Most of the greenhouses were subsequently looted or destroyed.[22]

looted or destroyed..unreal.. why did the palestinain goverment let that happen ...shit israel even left them with the greenhouses and the money was given to the PALESTINIANS .. once israel withdrew gave the land back, money to jump start the economy, Israel then has every right to sealed their bordders shut! ..the corrupt palestinian authority let that travesty happen

[ShaE]

and studz btw no difference betwn what palestinians do and al qaeda, just on a smaller scale, thats all.


and lolz thank you for the corrections, i suck at details. i usually get the overall picture and forget names and dates lol

i :heart you but no shot on that one. details are what's necessary here, vital. you can't make intricate, complicated comparisons w/o details.

[just b u]

i :heart you but no shot on that one. details are what's necessary here, vital. you can't make intricate, complicated comparisons w/o details.
i dunno shae, but terrorism to me is terrorism. why would studz say its different :shrugger

both are killing innocent civilians, both use martyrs, both use religion and hatred. i dont see how its different what so ever.

and studz spare me the palestinian boo hoos :rolleyes:

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looted or destroyed..unreal.. why did the palestinain goverment let that happen ...shit israel even left them with the greenhouses and the money was given to the PALESTINIANS .. once israel withdrew gave the land back, money to jump start the economy, Israel then has every right to sealed their bordders shut! ..the corrupt palestinian authority let that travesty happen

You wont find a defender of the PA here, lol... trust me..... one of the reasons why Hamas won in a landslide....

The Palestinian Tragedy has alot of blame to go around, as I said in a previous post.... From the worst imaginable leadership, the Israeli occupation and all that comes with it, the lack of a real commitment from their Arab cousins to help them, yet they use there struggle in every "pep rally" in every country from the states to china......

We can go into a debate on any of these and take it to 70 pages.... for now stay focused on the Israeli occupation.... if you can seriously think that the Israeli occupation is free from any responsibilty of the suffering of the palestinians, than you prove to anyone that knows anything about the topic that you are just a zombie of the neocons with no rational thought whatsoever..... and thats fine....like i said time and time again.... when i debate with you its like me in the batting cages with the ball coming at me 40-50mph, maybe even a softball (sometimes a beach ball) ... then when I actually debate my intellectual conservative friends who use logic and evenhandedness for their positions, its more like the big leagues with 100mph sliders....

excuse my sports analogy, just turned the game on.....


peace out!

[ShaE]

i dunno shae, but terrorism to me is terrorism. why would studz say its different :shrugger

both are killing innocent civilians, both use martyrs, both use religion and hatred. i dont see how its different what so ever.

and studz spare me the palestinian boo hoos :rolleyes:

terrorism is a tactic, it may be used politically, religiously, etc. a case could be made that we use terrorism, but you wouldn't dare lump all kinds together. the way in which certain groups may implement terror as a means to an end MATTERS. I'd venture to say everyone's guilty of it (every gov't that is), but not in the same way, to the same extent, for the same reasons.

My back just bristles whenever I hear people say things are "no different", or "always true" or "never true", b/c the details make ALL the difference there. Every situation is unique b/c it involves totally diff histories, people, cultures, and motives :agree

[ShaE]

when I actually debate my intellectual conservative friends who use logic and evenhandedness for their positions, its more like the big leagues with 100mph sliders....


THAT is when you learn something, but when you know 2039482039482 more than the people you're "debating" is when it gets maddening.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

hip hop i dont see how you can say that all zionists hate other jews like me lol maybe the publications you're read are so. but in real life buddy I've met many of them who live here but work for israel, and others who came here to work for a set many years and go back. these zionists have married jews like me who live here and not so religious. they were very friendly and informative towards me. so stop with this bulshit.

and and, ugh i wanted to find this article my brother read to be a while ago and i couldnt. about the liberal jews who decided to leave the greenhouse for the palestinians when the jews were kicked out. so that these palestinians could make money and be able to support themselves. again these greenhouses were not destroyed. and this cost millions for these liberals jews. and you know what these stupid palestenians did? burnt them to the ground. so defekted spare me with this pity for palestenians, i have none anymore.

Do you have a familiarity with statistics? Do you know what an outlier is? You want to defeat my statement about stereotyping zionists by your I have a black friend statement, and then you go in the very next paragraph and stereotype a group of people yourself, could you be a little more hypocritical, really respond again so I can see............I'm glad you have a non-secular figment of your imagination, you could spend the rest of your life traveling, meeting people and reading and you won't equalate the knowledge I've already achieved and experienced. But I'm glad to see that you've stone cold admitted that you'll spend the rest of your life making bias statements, like studz already said, now we can just skip over everyone of your posts.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

isnt that the guy osama bin laden was praising?

speaking of osama I wonder if they republicans & the cia want to give him anymore training, weapons or funding, bring back Reaganomics. Hail Bush!

[TheHipHopBillGates]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Judaism

Orthodoxy collectively considers itself the only true heir to the Jewish tradition. The Orthodox Jewish movements generally consider all non-Orthodox Jewish movements to be unacceptable deviations from authentic Judaism; both because of other denominations' doubt concerning the verbal revelation of Written and Oral Torah, and because of their rejection of Halakhic (Jewish legal) precedent as binding. As such, most Orthodox groups characterise non-Orthodox forms of Judaism as heretical; see the article on Relationships between Jewish religious movements.

Orthodox Judaism affirms monotheism—the belief in one God. Among the in-depth explanations of that belief are Maimonidean rationalism, Kabbalistic mysticism, and Hasidic panentheism. A few affirm self-limited omniscience (the theology elucidated by Gersonides in "The Wars of the Lord".)

Orthodox Judaism maintains the historical understanding of Jewish identity. A Jew is someone who was born to a Jewish mother, or who converts to Judaism in accordance with Jewish law and tradition. Orthodoxy thus rejects patrilineal descent as a means of establishing Jewish national identity. Similarly, Orthodoxy strongly condemns intermarriage. Intermarriage is seen as a deliberate rejection of Judaism, and an intermarried person is effectively cut off from most of the Orthodox community.

[jameznyhc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Judaism

Orthodoxy collectively considers itself the only true heir to the Jewish tradition. The Orthodox Jewish movements generally consider all non-Orthodox Jewish movements to be unacceptable deviations from authentic Judaism; both because of other denominations' doubt concerning the verbal revelation of Written and Oral Torah, and because of their rejection of Halakhic (Jewish legal) precedent as binding. As such, most Orthodox groups characterise non-Orthodox forms of Judaism as heretical; see the article on Relationships between Jewish religious movements.

Orthodox Judaism affirms monotheism—the belief in one God. Among the in-depth explanations of that belief are Maimonidean rationalism, Kabbalistic mysticism, and Hasidic panentheism. A few affirm self-limited omniscience (the theology elucidated by Gersonides in "The Wars of the Lord".)

Orthodox Judaism maintains the historical understanding of Jewish identity. A Jew is someone who was born to a Jewish mother, or who converts to Judaism in accordance with Jewish law and tradition. Orthodoxy thus rejects patrilineal descent as a means of establishing Jewish national identity. Similarly, Orthodoxy strongly condemns intermarriage. Intermarriage is seen as a deliberate rejection of Judaism, and an intermarried person is effectively cut off from most of the Orthodox community.

Again who cares as long as they arent trying to kill us or convert us.. how on earth could a hasidic or orthodox jew impact your life?? ..because one wont marry you? lol ..They can be as fundementalist as they want ..as long as theyre not killing infidels, blowing up nightclubs in the name of judaism let them be ..

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you are the male me, at least on here lol

:heart

[Studz]

Again who cares as long as they arent trying to kill us or convert us.. how on earth could a hasidic or orthodox jew impact your life?? ..because one wont marry you? lol ..They can be as fundementalist as they want ..as long as theyre not killing infidels, blowing up nightclubs in the name of judaism let them be ..

FYI First Terrorist BOMBING in the middle east was done by zionists jews.

wikipedia

The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun — a militant Zionist organization.

The attack, initially ordered by Menachem Begin the head of the Irgun and later Prime Minister of Israel, had members of the Irgun, dressed as Arabs, set off a bomb in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.[1]

The attack on the hotel was the deadliest attack against the British in the history of the Mandate.


Prime Minister Clement Attlee commented on the attack to the House of Commons:

Hon. Members will have learned with horror of the brutal and murderous crime committed yesterday in Jerusalem. Of all the outrages which have occurred in Palestine, and they have been many and horrible in the last few months, this is the worst. By this insane act of terrorism 93 innocent people have been killed or are missing in the ruins. The latest figures of casualties are 41 dead, 52 missing and 53 injured. I have no further information at present beyond what is contained in the following official report received from Jerusalem:

"It appears that after exploding a small bomb in the street, presumably as a diversionary measure — this did virtually no damage — a lorry drove up to the tradesmen's entrance of the King David Hotel and the occupants, after holding up the staff at pistol point, entered the kitchen premises carrying a number of milk cans. At some stage of the proceedings, they shot and seriously wounded a British soldier who attempted to interfere with them. All available information so far is to the effect that they were Jews. Somewhere in the basement of the hotel they planted bombs which went off shortly afterwards. They appear to have made good their escape."

Every effort is being made to identify and arrest the perpetrators of this outrage. The work of rescue in the debris, which was immediately organised, still continues. The next-of-kin of casualties are being notified by telegram as soon as accurate information is available. The House will wish to express their profound sympathy with the relatives of the killed and with those injured in this dastardly outrage.

(House of Commons Debates, Hansard 425:1877-78 (23 July, 1946)).

The Chief Secretary for the Government of Palestine, Sir John Shaw, declared in a broadcast:

"As head of the Secretariat, the majority of the dead and wounded were my own staff, many of whom I have known personally for eleven years. They are more than official colleagues. British, Arabs, Jews, Greeks, Armenians; senior officers, police, my orderly, my chauffeur, messengers, guards, men and women - young and old - they were my friends."
The Jewish leadership publicly condemned these attacks. The Jewish agency expressed "their feelings of horror at the base and unparalleled act perpetrated today by a gang of criminals".


So i guess those jews that expressed feelings of horror were also self hating jews.

If you dont want to admit both sides are wrong than please dont contribute anymore. The were good there bad philosophy is soooo 2nd grade.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Again who cares as long as they arent trying to kill us or convert us.. how on earth could a hasidic or orthodox jew impact your life?? ..because one wont marry you? lol ..They can be as fundementalist as they want ..as long as theyre not killing infidels, blowing up nightclubs in the name of judaism let them be ..

so if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees it, it doesn't happen?

[jameznyhc]

so if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees it, it doesn't happen?


ill repeat it again ..i dont care as long as they do not use violence or try to convert me they have absolutly no power or effect of the lives of innocent hardworking people who are non religous or secular as long as we all can co-exist in peace .. i dont give a fuck if a hasidic looks down on the values of a secular jew ..nor do i care if a militant homosexual hates christians or the church .. and i dont give a fuck if a christain evangelical deems me hedonistic because on social issues im very much a libertarian .. eliminate the violence and terror is all we ask

[TheHipHopBillGates]

ill repeat it again ..i dont care as long as they do not use violence or try to convert me they have absolutly no power or effect of the lives of innocent hardworking people who are non religous or secular as long as we all can co-exist in peace .. i dont give a fuck if a hasidic looks down on the values of a secular jew ..nor do i care if a militant homosexual hates christians or the church .. and i dont give a fuck if a christain evangelical deems me hedonistic because on social issues im very much a libertarian .. eliminate the violence and terror is all we ask

discrimination in any form is wrong, the whole point i'm trying to get across to just b u, is you can't claim someone isnt completely innocent when they practice this form of hate as well as fund their own actions.

But I'll give you all a fucking common sense news flash, give the palestians or other middle eastern countries a nuclear aresnal that matches the US or Israel's and I bet you they stop strapping bombs to their chest and blowing up buildings, terrorism is an act of desperation, you don't fight the bully face to face or you get your ass kicked is it really that hard to comprehend?

[jameznyhc]

FYI First Terrorist BOMBING in the middle east was done by zionists jews.

wikipedia

The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun — a militant Zionist organization.

The attack, initially ordered by Menachem Begin the head of the Irgun and later Prime Minister of Israel, had members of the Irgun, dressed as Arabs, set off a bomb in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.[1]

The attack on the hotel was the deadliest attack against the British in the history of the Mandate.


Prime Minister Clement Attlee commented on the attack to the House of Commons:

Hon. Members will have learned with horror of the brutal and murderous crime committed yesterday in Jerusalem. Of all the outrages which have occurred in Palestine, and they have been many and horrible in the last few months, this is the worst. By this insane act of terrorism 93 innocent people have been killed or are missing in the ruins. The latest figures of casualties are 41 dead, 52 missing and 53 injured. I have no further information at present beyond what is contained in the following official report received from Jerusalem:

"It appears that after exploding a small bomb in the street, presumably as a diversionary measure — this did virtually no damage — a lorry drove up to the tradesmen's entrance of the King David Hotel and the occupants, after holding up the staff at pistol point, entered the kitchen premises carrying a number of milk cans. At some stage of the proceedings, they shot and seriously wounded a British soldier who attempted to interfere with them. All available information so far is to the effect that they were Jews. Somewhere in the basement of the hotel they planted bombs which went off shortly afterwards. They appear to have made good their escape."

Every effort is being made to identify and arrest the perpetrators of this outrage. The work of rescue in the debris, which was immediately organised, still continues. The next-of-kin of casualties are being notified by telegram as soon as accurate information is available. The House will wish to express their profound sympathy with the relatives of the killed and with those injured in this dastardly outrage.

(House of Commons Debates, Hansard 425:1877-78 (23 July, 1946)).

The Chief Secretary for the Government of Palestine, Sir John Shaw, declared in a broadcast:

"As head of the Secretariat, the majority of the dead and wounded were my own staff, many of whom I have known personally for eleven years. They are more than official colleagues. British, Arabs, Jews, Greeks, Armenians; senior officers, police, my orderly, my chauffeur, messengers, guards, men and women - young and old - they were my friends."
The Jewish leadership publicly condemned these attacks. The Jewish agency expressed "their feelings of horror at the base and unparalleled act perpetrated today by a gang of criminals".


So i guess those jews that expressed feelings of horror were also self hating jews.

If you dont want to admit both sides are wrong than please dont contribute anymore. The were good there bad philosophy is soooo 2nd grade.


ok studz yesterday you blasted me for using wikipedia as source lol ..so i went and checked your source ..i see you left out some EXTREMLY VALID POINTS THAT DO NOT MAKE THIS a terrorist attack ..

The plan was finalised between Amichai Feglin(Gidi), chief of operations from the Irgun, and Itzhak Sadeh, commander of the Palmach. The details and the specific hour chosen for the attack were aimed at minimizing civilian casualties (the attack was planned before lunch time, so that there would be no people on the ground floor of the coffee shop which was the section to be destroyed. Irgun reports included explicit precautions so that the whole area would be evacuated). [2] The plan consisted of Irgun men, dressed as hotel employees and carrying the explosives which were concealed in milk cans, entering the building from a cafe on the ground floor, and placing the charges below the hotel wing where the British institutions were located. Finally it was decided the attack would take place on July 22 at 11:00. The attack used approximately 350 kg of explosives spread across six charges. Due to a delay the operation started at 12:00, and a minor gunfight ensued with two British soldiers who became suspicious and tried to intervene. Irgun suffered two casualties as a result of this gunfight. [2]

After placing the bombs, the Irgun men quickly escaped and detonated a small explosive in the street outside the hotel to keep passers-by away from the area. The Arab workers in the kitchen were told to flee and they did.[2]

A warning message was delivered to the telephone operator of the King David Hotel before the attack and also delivered to the French consulate and the Palestine Post newspaper. According to Irgun sources, the message read "I am speaking on behalf of the Hebrew underground. We have placed an explosive device in the hotel. Evacuate it at once - you have been warned."

Irgun representatives have always claimed that the warning was given well in advance so that adequate time was available to evacuate the hotel. Menachem Begin writes (p. 221, The Revolt, <1951> ed.) that the telephone message was delivered 25 - 27 minutes before the explosion. The British authorities denied for many years that there had been a warning at all, but the leaking of the internal police report on the bombing during the 1970s proved that a warning had indeed been received.


so civilians were cleared, arab workers told to flee, and passebys kept away...wow those are the most nicest thoughtful considerate terrorists i ever heard of LOL

[Studz]

ok studz yesterday you blasted me for using wikipedia as source lol ..so i went and checked your source ..i see you left out some EXTREMLY VALID POINTS THAT DO NOT MAKE THIS a terrorist attack ..

The plan was finalised between Amichai Feglin(Gidi), chief of operations from the Irgun, and Itzhak Sadeh, commander of the Palmach. The details and the specific hour chosen for the attack were aimed at minimizing civilian casualties (the attack was planned before lunch time, so that there would be no people on the ground floor of the coffee shop which was the section to be destroyed. Irgun reports included explicit precautions so that the whole area would be evacuated). [2] The plan consisted of Irgun men, dressed as hotel employees and carrying the explosives which were concealed in milk cans, entering the building from a cafe on the ground floor, and placing the charges below the hotel wing where the British institutions were located. Finally it was decided the attack would take place on July 22 at 11:00. The attack used approximately 350 kg of explosives spread across six charges. Due to a delay the operation started at 12:00, and a minor gunfight ensued with two British soldiers who became suspicious and tried to intervene. Irgun suffered two casualties as a result of this gunfight. [2]

After placing the bombs, the Irgun men quickly escaped and detonated a small explosive in the street outside the hotel to keep passers-by away from the area. The Arab workers in the kitchen were told to flee and they did.[2]

A warning message was delivered to the telephone operator of the King David Hotel before the attack and also delivered to the French consulate and the Palestine Post newspaper. According to Irgun sources, the message read "I am speaking on behalf of the Hebrew underground. We have placed an explosive device in the hotel. Evacuate it at once - you have been warned."

Irgun representatives have always claimed that the warning was given well in advance so that adequate time was available to evacuate the hotel. Menachem Begin writes (p. 221, The Revolt, <1951> ed.) that the telephone message was delivered 25 - 27 minutes before the explosion. The British authorities denied for many years that there had been a warning at all, but the leaking of the internal police report on the bombing during the 1970s proved that a warning had indeed been received.


so civilians were cleared, arab workers told to flee, and passebys kept away...wow those are the most nicest thoughtful considerate terrorists i ever heard of LOL


Again how is this NOT a terrorist attack ?????

Because they warned some people. I thought osama was "warning us" by trying to bomb the WTC the first time and i guess its OUR Fault for not listening ot his warning. Bro check mate.

[jameznyhc]

discrimination in any form is wrong, the whole point i'm trying to get across to just b u, is you can't claim someone isnt completely innocent when they practice this form of hate as well as fund their own actions.

But I'll give you all a fucking common sense news flash, give the palestians or other middle eastern countries a nuclear aresnal that matches the US or Israel's and I bet you they stop strapping bombs to their chest and blowing up buildings, terrorism is an act of desperation, you don't fight the bully face to face or you get your ass kicked is it really that hard to comprehend?


why did so many terrorist come from oil rich saudi than? or yemen? Osama bin ladens family had more power and money in the middle east you can shake a stick at..why do they blow up austrailian nightclubs? the twin towers? ...lol you think this is about power and land?? israel gives back gaza..what do they do?? loot and destroy the place as their leaders steal all the aid we provide them ... Their indoctrination of hating jews is worldwide not just in palestine..why the beef with india? in the sudan? and so many other pllaces we see terror ...the chechnian rebels aka terrorists..

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The details and the specific hour chosen for the attack were aimed at minimizing civilian casualties ([B]

LMAO

9/11 was before the workday started, they could have done it at lunch time and killed maybe 50,000 people, whats your point?

so these thugs are heroes? lol they are terrorists, they killed innocent people..... man your bias is so fucking rediculous.... you look so foolish, the moment your actually able to be even handed with your criticism of the Israelis and Palestinians and the reasons for all the madness is the moment we will take you seriously..... otherwise you are a joke and its evident to all that come and read your posts.....

i guess some people love being the court jester....maybe its the love to entertain. who knows?

[jameznyhc]

Again how is this NOT a terrorist attack ?????

Because they warned some people. I thought osama was "warning us" by trying to bomb the WTC the first time and i guess its OUR Fault for not listening ot his warning. Bro check mate.

osama didnt clear the world trade center, he didnt call and tell us to leave, he didnt evacuate the streets of passerbys, and he didnt make sure any jewish workers were cleared ........oh man TERRORISM ..to kill or maim as many innocent civilians as possible !!!!

this attack MINIMIZED innocent civilian casualties ..lol

isnt that why you left out these important points i followed up with lol!!

[TheHipHopBillGates]

why did so many terrorist come from oil rich saudi than? or yemen? Osama bin ladens family had more power and money in the middle east you can shake a stick at..why do they blow up austrailian nightclubs? the twin towers? ...lol you think this is about power and land?? israel gives back gaza..what do they do?? loot and destroy the place as their leaders steal all the aid we provide them ... Their indoctrination of hating jews is worldwide not just in palestine..why the beef with india? in the sudan? and so many other pllaces we see terror ...the chechnian rebels aka terrorists..

because they have money, don't have a large military or access to nuclear weapons.

but while we're talking about saudi's how come we went into Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia Mr. Republican?

[jameznyhc]

LMAO

9/11 was before the workday started, they could have done it at lunch time and killed maybe 50,000 people, whats your point?

so these thugs are heroes? lol they are terrorists, they killed innocent people..... man your bias is so fucking rediculous.... you look so foolish, the moment your actually able to be even handed with your criticism of the Israelis and Palestinians and the reasons for all the madness is the moment we will take you seriously..... otherwise you are a joke and its evident to all that come and read your posts.....

i guess some people love being the court jester....maybe its the love to entertain. who knows?

osama didnt clear the world trade center, he didnt call and tell us to leave, he didnt evacuate the streets of passerbys, and he didnt make sure any jewish workers were cleared ........oh man TERRORISM ..to kill or maim as many innocent civilians as possible !!!!

this attack MINIMIZED innocent civilian casualties ..lol

Id buy your osama bit if maybe they hit the towers at say 3am...the only reason there wasnt 50k killed was because it took over an hour for the towers to collapse..thankgod most people evacuated

[Studz]

osama didnt clear the world trade center, he didnt call and tell us to leave, he didnt evacuate the streets of passerbys, and he didnt make sure any jewish workers were cleared ........oh man TERRORISM ..to kill or maim as many innocent civilians as possible !!!!

this attack MINIMIZED innocent civilian casualties ..lol

Terrorism is terrorism your making a fool of urself.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

osama didnt clear the world trade center, he didnt call and tell us to leave, he didnt evacuate the streets of passerbys, and he didnt make sure any jewish workers were cleared ........oh man TERRORISM ..to kill or maim as many innocent civilians as possible !!!!

this attack MINIMIZED innocent civilian casualties ..lol

so does that make the United States armies terrorists, because I'm sure there are innocent civilians dying in Iraq, by the dumptruck load. What's Minimizing casualties a 1/4 of the population and a future genocide?

[Defekted]

why did so many terrorist come from oil rich saudi than? or yemen? Osama bin ladens family had more power and money in the middle east you can shake a stick at..why do they blow up austrailian nightclubs? the twin towers? ...lol you think this is about power and land?? israel gives back gaza..what do they do?? loot and destroy the place as their leaders steal all the aid we provide them ... Their indoctrination of hating jews is worldwide not just in palestine..why the beef with india? in the sudan? and so many other pllaces we see terror ...the chechnian rebels aka terrorists..

do you think the people of SA are rich? lol.... its the royal family and their partners that are rich..... majority of all workers in SA are peasants. Yemen is filthy poor! please know your facts when you speak....

and you keep lumping alqeada (a terrorist group whose interest is killing innoent westerners and kicking out all western influence and military from the middle east, with the palestinians, who want a homeland. Typical ignorant views.... all arabs are terrorists .... name one palestinian terrorist in the 911 attacks, the bali attacks, the london and spain attacks ....... it might take you some time cause there are none....but still by all means keep looking.....

your ignorance is at a fever pitch this past week, your not taking your meds or something?

[Defekted]

osama didnt clear the world trade center, he didnt call and tell us to leave, he didnt evacuate the streets of passerbys, and he didnt make sure any jewish workers were cleared ........oh man TERRORISM ..to kill or maim as many innocent civilians as possible !!!!

this attack MINIMIZED innocent civilian casualties ..lol

Id buy your osama bit if maybe they hit the towers at say 3am...the only reason there wasnt 50k killed was because it took over an hour for the towers to collapse..thankgod most people evacuated

its not a bit, because ill be the last to defend them, they are animals, they ARE terrorists....

you dont see me trying to defend terrorists with bullshit things like, oh they gave a warning, oh only 20 people died, oh they were targeting militants ... etc etc.... its all terrorism, whether from a extremeist settler group, alqeada, hamas, statesponsored IDF or Iran, paramilitaries in colombia, el salvador, etc or leftists in the jungles .... you kill a single innocent person you deserve to go to hell....

guess what, hamas "aims" to kill IDF soldiers who ride in a bus, but by doing so they killed 10 other people.... is that a loophole? do they make the cut? stay consistant maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[jameznyhc]

because they have money, don't have a large military or access to nuclear weapons.

but while we're talking about saudi's how come we went into Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia Mr. Republican?

but you said terror was due to oppression of the zionist movement ..i countered your claim and showed you terror is a worlwide disease spreading through islamic fundamentalism ..thats why they attack us, britain, spain, australia, and yes even the saudis were attacked ...osama hated us because the SAUDIS let us set up bases during the persian gulf war he thought that was a sign of the west trying to take over the middle east..

Afghanistan harbored al qaeda..we attacked them..The Saudi royal familiy would not do this, instead they pledged to help us..so al qaeda began launching attacks inside saudi arabia .. as for the hum,an rights atrocitys i think the saudis are disgraceful, anti women , anti gay, oppressors.. id love to drill away in alaska, off the coast of florida..or better yet come up with alteranative fuel.. i hate the fact we have to work with some of these lowlives to prevent a world war but at times neccessary ...THATS WHY SAUDIS CAME DOWN HARD ON IRAN YESTERDAY..ill never justify there brutal oppressive hate filled culture .. i cant wait for the day we another source of energy besides fuckin oil ...

back to my original point terror is practiced by all types, the wealthy, poor, the educated and uneducated ..its not just a tactic ..study martyrdom and tell me thats just a "tactic" lol

[jameznyhc]

its not a bit, because ill be the last to defend them, they are animals, they ARE terrorists....

you dont see me trying to defend terrorists with bullshit things like, oh they gave a warning, oh only 20 people died, oh they were targeting militants ... etc etc.... its all terrorism, whether from a extremeist settler group, alqeada, hamas, statesponsored IDF or Iran, paramilitaries in colombia, el salvador, etc or leftists in the jungles .... you kill a single innocent person you deserve to go to hell....

guess what, hamas "aims" to kill IDF soldiers who ride in a bus, but by doing so they killed 10 other people.... is that a loophole? do they make the cut? stay consistant maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan


no the loophole does not apply because the 10 others passengers were not warned and told to flee before hamas sets off their bombs ...huge fuckin difference lol ...now if hamas did do this than they wouldnt be considered a terrorist group ..so simple a 2 year old understands the difference

[jameznyhc]

so does that make the United States armies terrorists, because I'm sure there are innocent civilians dying in Iraq, by the dumptruck load. What's Minimizing casualties a 1/4 of the population and a future genocide?

when we did bomb iraqi neighborhoods we not only dropped fliers telling people to evacuate we usually would give them 48 hours before any bombings were done to safely clear the area thats going to be bombed. this way we minimize innocent civilians ..thats why when isareal retaliates tyhey go after hamas and hezbollah leaders and soldiers..

[Defekted]

no the loophole does not apply because the 10 others passengers were not warned and told to flee before hamas sets off their bombs ...huge fuckin difference lol ...now if hamas did do this than they wouldnt be considered a terrorist group ..so simple a 2 year old understands the difference

lets get this PERFECTLY clear.... lol

you are saying that if I set a bomb in a school building, and give an anonymous call for everyone to evacuate, some do some dont, message doesnt get through, etc etc .... the bomb blows and 50 children are killed..... im not a terrorist?

thanks for letting me know where you stand on this. Your a winner let me tell you.

This is becoming a rough morning for you Jimmy. Maybe after lunch youll feel better.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

but you said terror was due to oppression of the zionist movement ..i countered your claim and showed you terror is a worlwide disease spreading through islamic fundamentalism ..thats why they attack us, britain, spain, australia, and yes even the saudis were attacked ...osama hated us because the SAUDIS let us set up bases during the persian gulf war he thought that was a sign of the west trying to take over the middle east..

Afghanistan harbored al qaeda..we attacked them..The Saudi royal familiy would not do this, instead they pledged to help us..so al qaeda began launching attacks inside saudi arabia .. as for the hum,an rights atrocitys i think the saudis are disgraceful, anti women , anti gay, oppressors.. id love to drill away in alaska, off the coast of florida..or better yet come up with alteranative fuel.. i hate the fact we have to work with some of these lowlives to prevent a world war but at times neccessary ...THATS WHY SAUDIS CAME DOWN HARD ON IRAN YESTERDAY..ill never justify there brutal oppressive hate filled culture .. i cant wait for the day we another source of energy besides fuckin oil ...

back to my original point terror is practiced by all types, the wealthy, poor, the educated and uneducated ..its not just a tactic ..study martyrdom and tell me thats just a "tactic" lol

where did i say anything about the oppresion of the zionist movement, I said terrorism is an act of desperation. follow carefully, give these guys nukes and they ll stop making human bombs, that simple. you can't find the most massive military forces in history toe to toe, a middle eastern resident and an american take ten steps apart, the middle eastern fires a bullet, the american shoots a nuke.............how many times would u do that in a row?

[Studz]

where did i say anything about the oppresion of the zionist movement, I said terrorism is an act of desperation. follow carefully, give these guys nukes and they ll stop making human bombs, that simple. you can't find the most massive military forces in history toe to toe, a middle eastern resident and an american take ten steps apart, the middle eastern fires a bullet, the american shoots a nuke.............how many times would u do that in a row?

although i agree with you i m not gonna rush to give any one a nuke better to just take all the nukes back.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

although i agree with you i m not gonna rush to give any one a nuke better to just take all the nukes back.

i'm not saying give anyone nukes, I'm just trying to make it blantant the unfair advantage and why people have to fight they way they do.