General Abizaid re: Nuclear Iran

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Abizaid: World Could Abide Nuclear Iran
By ROBERT BURNS – Sep 17, 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) — Every effort should be made to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, but failing that, the world could live with a nuclear-armed regime in Tehran, a recently retired commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East said Monday.

John Abizaid, the retired Army general who headed Central Command for nearly four years, said he was confident that if Iran gained nuclear arms, the United States could deter it from using them.

"Iran is not a suicide nation," he said. "I mean, they may have some people in charge that don't appear to be rational, but I doubt that the Iranians intend to attack us with a nuclear weapon."

The Iranians are aware, he said, that the United States has a far superior military capability.

"I believe that we have the power to deter Iran, should it become nuclear," he said, referring to the theory that Iran would not risk a catastrophic retaliatory strike by using a nuclear weapon against the United States.

"There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," Abizaid said in remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank. "Let's face it, we lived with a nuclear Soviet Union, we've lived with a nuclear China, and we're living with (other) nuclear powers as well."

He stressed that he was expressing his personal opinion and that none of his remarks were based on his previous experience with U.S. contingency plans for potential military action against Iran.

Abizaid stressed the dangers of allowing more and more nations to build a nuclear arsenal. And while he said it is likely that Iran will make a technological breakthrough to obtain a nuclear bomb, "it's not inevitable."

Iran says its nuclear program is strictly for energy resources, not to build weapons.

Abizaid suggested military action to pre-empt Iran's nuclear ambitions might not be the wisest course.

"War, in the state-to-state sense, in that part of the region would be devastating for everybody, and we should avoid it — in my mind — to every extent that we can," he said. "On the other hand, we can't allow the Iranians to continue to push in ways that are injurious to our vital interests."

He suggested that many in Iran — perhaps even some in the Tehran government — are open to cooperating with the West. The thrust of his remarks was a call for patience in dealing with Iran, which President Bush early in his first term labeled one of the "axis of evil" nations, along with North Korea and Iraq.

He said there is a basis for hope that Iran, over time, will move away from its current anti-Western stance.

Abizaid's comments appeared to represent a more accommodating and hopeful stance toward Iran than prevails in the White House, which speaks frequently of the threat posed by Iran's nuclear ambitions. The administration says it seeks a diplomatic solution to complaints about Iran's alleged support for terrorism and its nuclear program, amid persistent rumors of preparations for a U.S. military strike.

Abizaid expressed confidence that the United States and the world community can manage the Iran problem.

"I believe the United States, with our great military power, can contain Iran — that the United States can deliver clear messages to the Iranians that makes it clear to them that while they may develop one or two nuclear weapons they'll never be able to compete with us in our true military might and power," he said.

He described Iran's government as reckless, with ambitions to dominate the Middle East.

"We need to press the international community as hard as we possibly can, and the Iranians, to cease and desist on the development of a nuclear weapon and we should not preclude any option that we may have to deal with it," he said. He then added his remark about finding ways to live with a nuclear-armed Iran.

Abizaid made his remarks in response to questions from his audience after delivering remarks about the major strategic challenges in the Middle East and Central Asia — the region in which he commanded U.S. forces from July 2003 until February 2007, when he was replaced by Adm. William Fallon.

The U.S. cut diplomatic relations with Iran shortly after the 1979 storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Although both nations have made public and private attempts to improve relations, the Bush administration labeled Iran part of an "axis of evil," and Iranian leaders still refer to the United States as the Great Satan.

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Obviously Iran wants to be nuclear simply beause they see the example we have set to the world....

if you are a helpless regime causing trouble we will take you out (i.e. Saddam's Iraq) but if you are armed we will negotiate (i.e Korea)

Like the four star general said, they arent suicidal .... they know if they were ever to use a nuke against us or Isreal they would be wiped out.... they want the nukes so they can have security FROM us.... not attack us.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Obviously Iran wants to be nuclear simply beause they see the example we have set to the world....

if you are a helpless regime causing trouble we will take you out (i.e. Saddam's Iraq) but if you are armed we will negotiate (i.e Korea)

Like the four star general said, they arent suicidal .... they know if they were ever to use a nuke against us or Isreal they would be wiped out.... they want the nukes so they can have security FROM us.... not attack us.

yep. I don't blame them, it's rational to want the same bargaining chips.

[jameznyhc]

yep. I don't blame them, it's rational to want the same bargaining chips.

but theyre not rational people lol

[TheHipHopBillGates]

but theyre not rational people lol

playing god again?

[jameznyhc]

playing god again?

nope just using good sound judgement , based on irans actions, behavior and culture ..i do not believe the mullahs and arminjihad is rational

[TheHipHopBillGates]

sounds like sound prejudice to me.

[jameznyhc]

sounds like sound prejudice to me.


nah prejudice is to PRE- JUDGE..my opinions are based on behavior i see.. not religion, race or color ..

[darius]

but theyre not rational people lol

hey, fuck you buddy . . . don't use "they" in the general sense . . . some might go so far as to say WE are not rational people. certainly our president and many of his cronies, in my eyes, can be considered IRRATIONAL. does that make the USA an irrational nation? iranians, in general, whether living in iran, or abroad, can be worlds more rational than you could ever conceive beyond your personal prejudice. what the fuck do you know about iranian culture? sure . . . people might be getting stoned (literally) for ridiculous reasons over there, but you won't find any mothers whoring themselves with their kids in the backseat or snorting coke of their baby's stomach.
my advice to you is to leave something which know jack shit about out of your "justifications" and paint with a much, MUCH thinner brush.

[jameznyhc]

hey, fuck you buddy . . . don't use "they" in the general sense . . . some might go so far as to say WE are not rational people. certainly our president and many of his cronies, in my eyes, can be considered IRRATIONAL. does that make the USA an irrational nation? iranians, in general, whether living in iran, or abroad, can be worlds more rational than you could ever conceive beyond your personal prejudice. what the fuck do you know about iranian culture? sure . . . people might be getting stoned (literally) for ridiculous reasons over there, but you won't find any mothers whoring themselves with their kids in the backseat or snorting coke of their baby's stomach.
my advice to you is to leave something which know jack shit about out of your "justifications" and paint with a much, MUCH thinner brush.

Sorry if i offended you darius..thats why in my next response i called out president and the mullahs.. i know the young generation who are oppressed by this goverment and jailed are not in the same mindset.. i was referring to arminijads specific outlooks and his rantings ..

As for the woman whoring herself and snorting coke off a babies stomach is repulsive .. but thats whole other issue where i feel goverment has trapped and failed a big percentage of poor americans ..from no fathers being present, drugs, welfare, etc ..there is no family system.. most poor rely on goverment and it creates a cycle that they havent been able to break ..nobodys teaching these kids values or morals..some people arent fit to be parents ..i can guarantee this whore came from a real fucked up background, and imagine if she didnt get busted ..what her kid would turn out to be like..

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Obviously Iran wants to be nuclear simply beause they see the example we have set to the world....

if you are a helpless regime causing trouble we will take you out (i.e. Saddam's Iraq) but if you are armed we will negotiate (i.e Korea)

Like the four star general said, they arent suicidal .... they know if they were ever to use a nuke against us or Isreal they would be wiped out.... they want the nukes so they can have security FROM us.... not attack us.

I thought Iran was using there Nuclear power plant for energy purposes :hmmm :rolleyes:. God even i :heythere could have told you that yrs ago.

[darius]

Sorry if i offended you darius..thats why in my next response i called out president and the mullahs.. i know the young generation who are oppressed by this goverment and jailed are not in the same mindset.. i was referring to arminijads specific outlooks and his rantings ..

As for the woman whoring herself and snorting coke off a babies stomach is repulsive .. but thats whole other issue where i feel goverment has trapped and failed a big percentage of poor americans ..from no fathers being present, drugs, welfare, etc ..there is no family system.. most poor rely on goverment and it creates a cycle that they havent been able to break ..nobodys teaching these kids values or morals..some people arent fit to be parents ..i can guarantee this whore came from a real fucked up background, and imagine if she didnt get busted ..what her kid would turn out to be like..

no, maybe you misunderstood me . . . you don't know shit when it comes to iran. have you been closely involved with a persian family? do you have any persians that are very close friends? have you or anyone you know set foot in iran? -- THIS is what it takes to know about a culture, not the bullshit you are fed through media outlets. you don't KNOW the young generation who are oppressed anymore than you know the atmospheric density on jupiter. there are so many things that the iranian culture could offer american culture and vice versa, but you sit high atop your self-righteous pedestal and profess the greatness of american society like its right for the entire world. right now, frankly, its not . . . hell, i don't even think its right for us here. the true greatness we have lies in our dynamic to freely, and peacefully (we should hope) invoke change to this system, as i believe our forefathers genuinely intended -- to make it better, safer, more appealing and more exemplary to the rest of the world, and sadly, we are rapidly squandering that greatness vis a vis our leadershit.

[drumaboy]

Sorry if i offended you darius..thats why in my next response i called out president and the mullahs.. i know the young generation who are oppressed by this goverment and jailed are not in the same mindset.. i was referring to arminijads specific outlooks and his rantings ..

As for the woman whoring herself and snorting coke off a babies stomach is repulsive .. but thats whole other issue where i feel goverment has trapped and failed a big percentage of poor americans ..from no fathers being present, drugs, welfare, etc ..there is no family system.. most poor rely on goverment and it creates a cycle that they havent been able to break ..nobodys teaching these kids values or morals..some people arent fit to be parents ..i can guarantee this whore came from a real fucked up background, and imagine if she didnt get busted ..what her kid would turn out to be like..

at the end of the day, the man u voted for, the party u support has fucked up royally and had they not, we wouldnt be second guessing Iran today.......its been years, and still NOTHING has been done, say what you want, think what you want, its far from your hands, so, if Iran is all systems go, you have no right to complain

[jameznyhc]

no, maybe you misunderstood me . . . you don't know shit when it comes to iran. have you been closely involved with a persian family? do you have any persians that are very close friends? have you or anyone you know set foot in iran? -- THIS is what it takes to know about a culture, not the bullshit you are fed through media outlets. you don't KNOW the young generation who are oppressed anymore than you know the atmospheric density on jupiter. there are so many things that the iranian culture could offer american culture and vice versa, but you sit high atop your self-righteous pedestal and profess the greatness of american society like its right for the entire world. right now, frankly, its not . . . hell, i don't even think its right for us here. the true greatness we have lies in our dynamic to freely, and peacefully (we should hope) invoke change to this system, as i believe our forefathers genuinely intended -- to make it better, safer, more appealing and more exemplary to the rest of the world, and sadly, we are rapidly squandering that greatness vis a vis our leadershit.

I was sincere in my apology go fuck yourself ... And yes i do think we are a great society which is why so many people choose America has there refuge, We have done more to advance medicine, society, human rights, and let people CHOOSE for themselves the life they want to lead..Of course ive known persians and iranians specifically .. but what does that have to do with me not realizing Iran is helping kill american soldiers, threatens israel, denies the holocaust, hangs gay tennages, jails bloggers etc.. how can you even come close to a defense of such insanity..lol in one statement you say sure people may get stoned for rididculous reasons but theres no whores?? wtf kind of statement is that ..bro your lost ..

[jameznyhc]

at the end of the day, the man u voted for, the party u support has fucked up royally and had they not, we wouldnt be second guessing Iran today.......its been years, and still NOTHING has been done, say what you want, think what you want, its far from your hands, so, if Iran is all systems go, you have no right to complain

Lol like kerry, reid, pelosi and the democrats were going to do something?? .

[darius]

I was sincere in my apology go fuck yourself ... And yes i do think we are a great society which is why so many people choose America has there refuge, We have done more to advance medicine, society, human rights, and let people CHOOSE for themselves the life they want to lead..Of course ive known persians and iranians specifically .. but what does that have to do with me not realizing Iran is helping kill american soldiers, threatens israel, denies the holocaust, hangs gay tennages, jails bloggers etc.. how can you even come close to a defense of such insanity..lol in one statement you say sure people may get stoned for rididculous reasons but theres no whores?? wtf kind of statement is that ..bro your lost ..

what do any of those things have to do with iranian culture? i don't want or need an apology from you. you're a bigot and have proven it on more occasions than i care to count. that's all i'm saying. i don't defend the inhumanity perpetrated by the government of iran. i will defend its culture, or any culture when someone wishes to take a giant brush and paint a uniform picture of that culture based on the actions and policies of a bullish few. isn't this the very essence of the islamic fundamentalist movement -- painting with a giant brush across the length and breadth of the american (or western) culture because of the actions and policies of a few? your mindset is one and the same with them, which should sicken any of us. you should be terribly ashamed of yourself. your mentality and perception of the world are one and the same with the very filth responsible for tarnishing the image of this great nation. you prance around here claiming to be for justice and freedom for all and actually caring about humanity, but sadly, YOU are the one that's lost, terribly lost. you manifest only the same short-sighted, close-minded symptoms of the very ones you claim to hate so much -- how unamerican?!!! :disgusted
anyone with an inkling of literacy can look back at my post and know where i was coming from, except you . . . why? because it doesn't serve your argument. you can only hope to pick up the fragile pieces of what you had hoped would come across as intellect, and try to put it back together and say "oh, but this is what i really meant". you're a bigot. is there still hope for you? there is always hope. you only have to be willing to abandon your prejudices, and that surely doesn't appear evident at the moment.

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"but theyre not rational people lol, just using good sound judgement , based on irans actions, behavior and culture"


You deserve every word from Darius post Jamez.

It is something I have stressed time and time again..... Yes I have called you a racist several times, which i shouldnt but sometimes you just need a smack to wake up....

you love to generalize, to stereotype..... from Iranians to Palestinians to Lebanese to muslims in general....

you take the acts of a few and you barrage the forum with it..... with the clear intent to get people to start formulating the idea that this type of stuff is rampant and is symbolic of their culture and their religion....

WHICH IT IS NOT.

Until you eat, drink, dance, laugh, and cry with a people you will never know the people. Your heart and mind seems to have made up a decision and you stubbornly stick to it without knowing the people you are trying to persecute. Thats sad. Never assume anything, especially when your sources have a biased agenda that promotes the intolerance and violence that you accuse the other side of promoting..... the irony is shocking.

I think you are a good kid to tell you the honest truth. I dont think anyone here is bad per se, but you seem to get caught up in negative emotions more so than anyone else. And sometimes that comes across really bad, to the point at times where its intolerant and racist. You would change your tune as most people do once you interact with the people you perceive to be evildoers.... youll soon realize that the vast majority have the same aspirations as you - family, business, success, security.....

first step is to back away from the hate filled, fear invoking tabloids that you take for gospel

[ShaE]

but theyre not rational people lol

BUT IT IS rational to want the capabilities for weapons and power that others have.

[ShaE]

there are so many things that the iranian culture could offer american culture and vice versa, but you sit high atop your self-righteous pedestal and profess the greatness of american society like its right for the entire world. right now, frankly, its not . . . hell, i don't even think its right for us here. the true greatness we have lies in our dynamic to freely, and peacefully (we should hope) invoke change to this system, as i believe our forefathers genuinely intended -- to make it better, safer, more appealing and more exemplary to the rest of the world, and sadly, we are rapidly squandering that greatness vis a vis our leadershit.

I believe part of our strength has come from our diversity in allowing us to assimilate and adopt pieces of immigrants' cultures and make it our own. We are not the only ones w/ good to offer and we could be well served by learning from others, not persecuting them and preaching to them about superiority.

On point man, 100%.

[ShaE]

Like the four star general said, they arent suicidal .... they know if they were ever to use a nuke against us or Isreal they would be wiped out.... they want the nukes so they can have security FROM us.... not attack us.

1 100% guarantee if we were all having this discussion during the cold war jamez would advocate using the bomb on the soviets, or war. The same arguments were made then, the same bull about "appeasement", "can't negotiate w/ them" bull, yet rational people maintained that neither us nor the soviets were suicidal. Nobody wanted nuclear war, and we squeaked by in a much more difficult situation. It would serve some people well to study history and THINK a bit instead of regurgitating the nightly news propaganda for some perspective.

[ShaE]

I was sincere in my apology go fuck yourself ... And yes i do think we are a great society which is why so many people choose America has there refuge, We have done more to advance medicine, society, human rights, and let people CHOOSE for themselves the life they want to lead..Of course ive known persians and iranians specifically .. but what does that have to do with me not realizing Iran is helping kill american soldiers, threatens israel, denies the holocaust, hangs gay tennages, jails bloggers etc.. how can you even come close to a defense of such insanity..lol in one statement you say sure people may get stoned for rididculous reasons but theres no whores?? wtf kind of statement is that ..bro your lost ..

People come here for freedom and capitalistic opportunity, bottom line. The betterment of their lives, not b/c we as a culture are so advanced. We just give you the most tools and opportunity to improve your life.

Of course...everyone but you "is lost", clueless, knows nothing, etc. Fill in whichever cliche you're using today :disgusted

[jameznyhc]

and you guys are themost slanderous hate filled bunch ive ever encountered ..because im a huge ardent supporter of human rights, freeing oppressed helpness nations, spreading knowledge through free press, posting articles by pro western muslims, and im outraged when people are jailed for free speech makes me a bigot? and defeating islamic fundamentalism in a different approach than appeasement makes me a bigot? its called a different philosophy how is that racist .. you guys consistantly use derogartory racist slurs against southern whites cinsistantly ..when do i use slurs?? redncek, hick, backwoods, etc you dont see me calling people dotheads or sand******s give me a fuckin break ..i support all free muslims which is why im so pro-lebanon you fool defeckted .... but thats the left wing way of deabate call one a racist and consistantly personally insulting for different outlooks ..your guys are in line with stalinists ... i see defecketed 20 times more offensive to religous christians then ive ever been ..sorry if i feel hanging gay kids in public is subhuman ..its the fuckin truth

[jameznyhc]

1 100% guarantee if we were all having this discussion during the cold war jamez would advocate using the bomb on the soviets, or war. The same arguments were made then, the same bull about "appeasement", "can't negotiate w/ them" bull, yet rational people maintained that neither us nor the soviets were suicidal. Nobody wanted nuclear war, and we squeaked by in a much more difficult situation. It would serve some people well to study history and THINK a bit instead of regurgitating the nightly news propaganda for some perspective.



no but when the libs were screaming for a nuclear freeze .. ronnie reagan built an arsenal so fierce russia couldnt do dick .. and keep lying about he republicans want war your look like such a liar when a i support regime change , secondly surgical strikes ... you your comfortable with letting them develope nukes ..i think thats self destructive given history ..and irans recent rantings of destroying israel

[ShaE]

and you guys are themost slanderous hate filled bunch ive ever encountered ..because im a huge ardent supporter of human rights, freeing oppressed helpness nations, spreading knowledge through free press, posting articles by pro western muslims, and im outraged when people are jailed for free speech makes me a bigot? and defeating islamic fundamentalism in a different approach than appeasement makes me a bigot? its called a different philosophy how is that racist .. you guys consistantly use derogartory racist slurs against southern whites cinsistantly ..when do i use slurs?? redncek, hick, backwoods, etc you dont see me calling people dotheads or sand******s give me a fuckin break ..i support all free muslims which is why im so pro-lebanon you fool defeckted .... but thats the left wing way of deabate call one a racist and consistantly personally insulting for different outlooks ..your guys are in line with stalinists ... i see defecketed 20 times more offensive to religous christians then ive ever been ..sorry if i feel hanging gay kids in public is subhuman ..its the fuckin truth

redneck, hick, backwoods are not SLURS, how can you even compare that to the n word????? or even dothead? jamez, it is most often not the word you used, but HOW you used it that denotes its meaning.

i forget you don't perceive comparisons well, or understand context/nuance. I could say hick in the south and nobody would say that's a "slur", they might call me an asshole, depending on how i used it and why, but they'd never say it was a slur. i DO call my little cousin a hick, and my friends upstate hicks sometimes, JOKING. you can't put that word in the same category as a slur like the "n" word. unreal. try saying the "n" word to anyone and you won't get the same reception.

you think your thought process is superior b/c you refrain from using certain terms? use whatever words you want, your ideas and perceptions come through clearly and they aren't so open minded.

I can't stand crazy christians, crazy ANYONE, yet you refuse to acknowledge that MY ENTIRE FAMILY is catholic, i love them, and do not hate everyone who is religious nor generalize them all as stupid. like darius said, you are the king of generalizations and are completely oblivious to details and true understanding.

[ShaE]

no but when the libs were screaming for a nuclear freeze .. ronnie reagan built an arsenal so fierce russia couldnt do dick .. and keep lying about he republicans want war your look like such a liar when a i support regime change , secondly surgical strikes ... you your comfortable with letting them develope nukes ..i think thats self destructive given history ..and irans recent rantings of destroying israel

wait...WHAT?

coherence please.

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and you guys are themost slanderous hate filled bunch ive ever encountered ..because im a huge ardent supporter of human rights, freeing oppressed helpness nations, spreading knowledge through free press, posting articles by pro western muslims, and im outraged when people are jailed for free speech makes me a bigot? and defeating islamic fundamentalism in a different approach than appeasement makes me a bigot? its called a different philosophy how is that racist .. you guys consistantly use derogartory racist slurs against southern whites cinsistantly ..when do i use slurs?? redncek, hick, backwoods, etc you dont see me calling people dotheads or sand******s give me a fuckin break ..i support all free muslims which is why im so pro-lebanon you fool defeckted .... but thats the left wing way of deabate call one a racist and consistantly personally insulting for different outlooks ..your guys are in line with stalinists ... i see defecketed 20 times more offensive to religous christians then ive ever been ..sorry if i feel hanging gay kids in public is subhuman ..its the fuckin truth

hey man, I was reaching out to you .... extending an olive branch.... you just have alot to learn man. Thats all. You dont know much about cultures to accuse them of anything....you dont distinguish between a radical few from the peace loving many - a skill thats requires a certain level of maturity that you dont seem to have reached yet (which isnt an insult, seriously, it just means that we have much to teach you) .... your on your way cuz, to joining us in a more tolerant and educated discussion on the issues of the day...... step by step.

[jameznyhc]

redneck, hick, backwoods are not SLURS, how can you even compare that to the n word????? or even dothead? jamez, it is most often not the word you used, but HOW you used it that denotes its meaning.

i forget you don't perceive comparisons well, or understand context/nuance. I could say hick in the south and nobody would say that's a "slur", they might call me an asshole, depending on how i used it and why, but they'd never say it was a slur. i DO call my little cousin a hick, and my friends upstate hicks sometimes, JOKING. you can't put that word in the same category as a slur like the "n" word. unreal. try saying the "n" word to anyone and you won't get the same reception.

you think your thought process is superior b/c you refrain from using certain terms? use whatever words you want, your ideas and perceptions come through clearly and they aren't so open minded.

I can't stand crazy christians, crazy ANYONE, yet you refuse to acknowledge that MY ENTIRE FAMILY is catholic, i love them, and do not hate everyone who is religious nor generalize them all as stupid. like darius said, you are the king of generalizations and are completely oblivious to details and true understanding.

oh so you call your friend a hick and your cousin.. but do you say to southerner whats said on this board ..when you meet a a religous christian southerner do you call the backwood rednecks hicks..i doubt you do.. go into an alabama bar and say that called them what you call them on here ..see if people dont get really pissed and offended ..your outta your mind..double standard hypocrisy .. i dont consider myself superiror from refraining to use racial insults ..i just think they cause more harm and division ..thats why the southerners havent voted in democrat since 1980.. total disrespect from north east elitists and hollywood ..its cool & hip to diss dumb white nascar types .. isnt that why defeclted and yourself do not consider those words insults...double standards

[ShaE]

oh so you call your friend a hick and your cousin.. but do you say to southerner whats said on this board ..when you meet a a religous christian southerner do you call the backwood rednecks hicks..i doubt you do..

no b/c I don't know them, have no reason to say that, and that's rude :yourcrazy do you think I'm under the impression it's ok to just walk around all day telling random people I don't know what i think about them? or what i may ASSUME? I'll use terms where they apply, I won't slap them on random people that I don't know, that I have no reason to comment on, or be rude to. Of course I'll tease my cousin but won't say it to a stranger, what beef do I have w/ him? Why would i walk into someplace and insult people for no reason? They're not hicks just b/c they're southerners, I'd have to know somebody to label them something. I don't label what I don't know. When people act a certain way I'll call it like i see it, I don't ASSUME b/c of the area they're from or background they are, that I know how they'll act. My redneck thread was in reference to the fkin idiots that started dogfighting, not ALL SOUTHERNERS. And my crazy christian issues relate to christians who show themsevles to be complete hypocritical, lunatic, asses. NOT just anyone who happens to be christian :rolleyes:

I have TACT jamez, and class, and you wouldn't catch my ass insulting people I know nothing of just for shits & giggles.

[jameznyhc]

no b/c I don't know them, have no reason to say that, and that's rude :yourcrazy do you think I'm under the impression it's ok to just walk around all day telling random people I don't know what i think about them? or what i may ASSUME? I'll use terms where they apply, I won't slap them on random people that I don't know, that I have no reason to comment on, or be rude to. Of course I'll tease my cousin but won't say it to a stranger, what beef do I have w/ him? Why would i walk into someplace and insult people for no reason? They're not hicks just b/c they're southerners, I'd have to know somebody to label them something. I don't label what I don't know.

I have TACT jamez, and class, and you wouldn't catch my ass insulting people I know nothing of just for shits & giggles.



Why is that rude?? i thought its not slur.. oh i get youll just throw those slurs out there on a message board behind your safe computer..well if those words werent insults or slurs you wouldnt have problem labeling people in person the way you do behind a keyboard ....double standards

and yes you do generalize and throw those insultys in your posts ..

[jameznyhc]

and by the way if im a racist i guess bill mahrer is because our opinions on islamic fundamentalism is identical about how dangerous and subhumane they are ..as well as plenty of other liberals who see the threat

[ShaE]

Why is that rude?? i thought its not slur.. oh i get youll just throw those slurs out there on a message board behind your safe computer..well if those words werent insults or slurs you wouldnt have problem labeling people in person the way you do behind a keyboard ....double standards
what kinda dumbass question is this? you think the only way you can be rude is by using a slur? :hmmm

I never said they weren't insults, i said they weren't slurs. A slur being FAR more serious than merely an insult. AGAIN you don't grasp.

it's rude to walk into someplace and insult people whether you're using a slur, a sarcastic comment, ANYTHING. why provoke people you don't know, who have done nothing to you? i treat as I'm treated...if people are open and friendly to me I'm that way back.

THEY DO EXIST jamez, and it's the ones that exist that I am labeling whether online, in person, etc. so you're saying you have to share every opinion in person that you claim to have on a board? If I think all republicans are loons I can't say it on here unless I'm willing to tell every republican I know so to their FACE? How stupid is that. I have my views...there are hicks, stupid people of every color, crazy religious folk, you name it in the world and yes I dislike some of them. I will say it, I will discuss it, but I don't feel it needs to be SAID TO THEM at every opportunity b/c wtf would the point of that be? Childish. I'm supposed to walk around all day speaking my mind to everyone, negative and positive, or else I can't speak it on a board? It's not a double standard, it's maturity.

[ShaE]

and by the way if im a racist i guess bill mahrer is because our opinions on islamic fundamentalism is identical about how dangerous and subhumane they are ..as well as plenty of other liberals who see the threat

he has more eloquence and perception in his pinky than you could ever hope to have.

even if you shared the same view, his would be conveyed intelligently and insightfully while yours always comes out skewed and misguided.

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and by the way if im a racist i guess bill mahrer is because our opinions on islamic fundamentalism is identical about how dangerous and subhumane they are ..as well as plenty of other liberals who see the threat

Again I dont think you are a racist, I just think you are ignorant to the people you like to attack. You only see the outrageous actions of a few and assume that they represent the masses.

Instead of saying "I, Jameznyhc, denounce islamic fundamentalism that results in the violent acts of innocent civilians" a statement EVERYONE would agree with here, you say things like its their culture, its what they teach their kids, they are irrational, we might have to go to war against 3 billion of them, they hang and stone gays and women, they run over white christians with taxi cabs here in the states, etc etc etc...... you generalize to make people that dont know better think this is the end, tomorrow there will be mosques everywhere from times sq to your local supermarket, and christmas trees will be banned everywhere, and we will have to replace the 50 stars on our flag with 50 cresent moons.....:disgusted

your rediculous in your hysteria, paranoia, and at times your hate.

its sad, but i aint mad atcha.

just a little guidance, a night out on the town with me and my muslim friends.... before you know it youll be rocking the palestinian headscarf preaching on the forum why cant we all just get along!!!!

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he has more eloquence and perception in his pinky than you could ever hope to have.

even if you shared the same view, his would be conveyed intelligently and insightfully while yours always comes out skewed and misguided.

compare the transcripts he probally more hardcore than me..he s true liberal , not a islamic fundamentalist/ terrorist sympathizer ..same can be said about koch, lieberman, dov hikind and many other liberals who take the same positon as me against islamic fundamnetalists..especially the liberals in europe.. i dont see how that makes me racist like darius the bitter hater feels iam

[ShaE]

compare the transcripts he probally more hardcore than me..he s true liberal , not a islamic fundamentalist/ terrorist sympathizer ..same can be said about koch, lieberman, dov hikind and many other liberals who take the same positon as me against islamic fundamnetalists..especially the liberals in europe.. i dont see how that makes me racist like darius the bitter hater feels iam

those are darius' comments, take it up with him. I said maher is more insightful and eloquent than you, which is the understatement of the century.

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those are darius' comments, take it up with him. I said maher is more insightful and eloquent than you, which is the understatement of the century.

yeah but he can say some pretty fucked up extreme shit...wishing cheney got killed by the taliban in afghanistan .. thats was fucked ...but on islamo facists i agree with him 110%

[jameznyhc]

Again I dont think you are a racist, I just think you are ignorant to the people you like to attack. You only see the outrageous actions of a few and assume that they represent the masses.

Instead of saying "I, Jameznyhc, denounce islamic fundamentalism that results in the violent acts of innocent civilians" a statement EVERYONE would agree with here, you say things like its their culture, its what they teach their kids, they are irrational, we might have to go to war against 3 billion of them, they hang and stone gays and women, they run over white christians with taxi cabs here in the states, etc etc etc...... you generalize to make people that dont know better think this is the end, tomorrow there will be mosques everywhere from times sq to your local supermarket, and christmas trees will be banned everywhere, and we will have to replace the 50 stars on our flag with 50 cresent moons.....:disgusted

your rediculous in your hysteria, paranoia, and at times your hate.

its sad, but i aint mad atcha.

just a little guidance, a night out on the town with me and my muslim friends.... before you know it youll be rocking the palestinian headscarf preaching on the forum why cant we all just get along!!!!


yes i call out fundamentalists ..all these acts committed by fundamentalists..all i did was paste a fuckin AP article ..so take it up with them ..this is current events ..you post about a woman being attacked in long island in an anit muslim attack not only do i say im glad you posted it because the media buried it.. well thats what i did with the muslim who shot the jewish women in seattle ..it was buried ..this hate crimes should never be buried... difference is i dont call you racist for posting that article you should bring it to peoples attention ..you just get pissed when i do it.. and man that was 8 months ago ..your article was 2 weeks ago .. again i have no problem with it :heythere

[jameznyhc]

[QUOTE]Again I dont think you are a racist,

so you just use the term to discredit me?? ...because i f i did a search the amount of times you labeled a racist it would be well over 200 posts...And as for what ive read in other forums in this board please you know im nothing like the racists that do let there true feeling slip or blantany in a drunk rant have let out on this board...

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yes i call out fundamentalists ..all these acts committed by fundamentalists..all i did was paste a fuckin AP article ..so take it up with them ..this is current events ..you post about a woman being attacked in long island in an anit muslim attack not only do i say im glad you posted it because the media buried it.. well thats what i did with the muslim who shot the jewish women in seattle ..it was buried ..this hate crimes should never be buried... difference is i dont call you racist for posting that article you should bring it to peoples attention ..you just get pissed when i do it.. and man that was 8 months ago ..your article was 2 weeks ago .. again i have no problem with it :heythere

the only reason i posted the article is to show you how you fail to post "current events" of hate crimes when its AGAINST muslims, YET you post hate crimes BY muslims when the occurrance happened months and even years before......

its a shame Jamez you cant be more mature about the issues between western culture and islamic culture, the middle east conflict, muslim minorities and their issues and concerns......

its always how they are attacking us, they are killing innocents, they hate us for being free, etc.......

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yeah but he can say some pretty fucked up extreme shit...wishing cheney got killed by the taliban in afghanistan .. thats was fucked ...but on islamo facists i agree with him 110%



how ironic that you tout free speech, then shit on bill maher for speaking freely b/c what he said is "fucked" lol

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so you just use the term to discredit me?? ...because i f i did a search the amount of times you labeled a racist it would be well over 200 posts...And as for what ive read in other forums in this board please you know im nothing like the racists that do let there true feeling slip or blantany in a drunk rant have let out on this board...

Here I have a solution Jamez.... repeat the following verbatim and all is forgotten

"Islam is a peaceful religion, and the vast majority of muslims in this world are good people trying to care for their families and make a dollar out of 15 cents. Palestinians are also generally wonderful people like all other peoples in this world. Unfortunately, there are a slight minority that highjack islam and highjack nationalities for inexcusable violent and hateful purposes... they should be condemned, however it is important to stress that they are not representative of the religion or the people of the region"

[jameznyhc]

how ironic that you tout free speech, then shit on bill maher for speaking freely b/c what he said is "fucked" lol


because i thought it was a classless comment im against free speech ...you had a meltdown when coulter called edwards a fag .. i think they both have a right ..i disagree but when you root for the enemy to kill our VP thats bad taste in my opinion..as im sure coulters remark was bad taste in your view.. but thats what great about america

[jameznyhc]

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Here I have a solution Jamez.... repeat the following verbatim and all is forgotten

"Islam is a peaceful religion, and the vast majority of muslims in this world are good people trying to care for their families and make a dollar out of 15 cents. Palestinians are also generally wonderful people like all other peoples in this world. Unfortunately, there are a slight minority that highjack islam and highjack nationalities for inexcusable violent and hateful purposes... they should be condemned, however it is important to stress that they are not representative of the religion or the people of the region"

ill just stick to islamic fundamenalists ..people know they are the fringe

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ill just stick to islamic fundamenalists ..people know they are the fringe

lol, thats what I thought. Stick on playa.....

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because i thought it was a classless comment im against free speech ...you had a meltdown when coulter called edwards a fag .. i think they both have a right ..i disagree but when you root for the enemy to kill our VP thats bad taste in my opinion..as im sure coulters remark was bad taste in your view.. but thats what great about america

where did i say that made you "against free speech"? I thought it was ironic. don't put words in my mouth.

do you understand the term "facetious" or do you take everything 100% literally?
i'm fucking around w/ you jamez, I bust chops. yes, i think it's kinda funny you criticize maher's comments then preach about free speech but did i, or would I, say that means you're "against" free speech? No. :disgusted This is a perfect example of the ridiculous conclusions you draw. I say comments you made are ironic, and you say "so this means I'm against free speech?".

Unreal.

[AlexZello]

What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think?

[AlexZello]

What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think?

uh, here's the site in question: Middle East conflict (http://samsonblinded.org/blog)