MJ don't cause cancer... period

[snaf2k]

Link to article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html?referrer=digg)

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 26, 2006; A03

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought.

Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.

Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood.

They were all asked about their lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol. The heaviest marijuana smokers had lighted up more than 22,000 times, while moderately heavy usage was defined as smoking 11,000 to 22,000 marijuana cigarettes. Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied.

"This is the largest case-control study ever done, and everyone had to fill out a very extensive questionnaire about marijuana use," he said. "Bias can creep into any research, but we controlled for as many confounding factors as we could, and so I believe these results have real meaning."

Tashkin's group at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA had hypothesized that marijuana would raise the risk of cancer on the basis of earlier small human studies, lab studies of animals, and the fact that marijuana users inhale more deeply and generally hold smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers -- exposing them to the dangerous chemicals for a longer time. In addition, Tashkin said, previous studies found that marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar.

While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.

The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana in their youth, when it is most often tried.

[eL FryEdo]

i find this hard to believe

[snaf2k]

well.. doc got 30 yrs experience behind his back

[RepoU2]

well.. doc got 30 yrs experience behind his back

LOL :chuckle

:hmmm So if I read that right the methodology was having a bunch of stoners fill out questionaires. :floor In all seriousness, I had heard that back in college from this dude when he was passing me the bong.

[woo]

thing is a lot of pple smoke blunts and all sorts of joint paper. that's the crap.

[bigkito]

thing is a lot of pple smoke blunts and all sorts of joint paper. that's the crap.

glass bowls.
cleanest way

[woo]

glass bowls.
cleanest way

clean it regularly with alcohol and salt solution :silly

[bigkito]

oh i know

[Chris]

clean it regularly with alcohol and salt solution :silly

yup! i got bamboozled first time around buying the 420 solution, then im like wait.... it ingredients salt. alcholol, citrus..... wtf. for 7 dollars? i can make 3 gallons for 7 bucks.


the blunts are killer, papers too, glass bowls or even better I bought myslef a vaporizer

all the effects of the high no bad shit or tar.

peep it

http://www.gotvape.com

in Cali they use these things like mad, I got the vapair one its insane. 150 bucks for your life not a bad trade off.

I think its crazy that weed isn't socially acceptable fully yet and illegal no one ever killed or died on weed.
"you may think he dead, he aint dead , he gonna wake up in 30 minutes hungry enough to eat up everything in your house!"

no one ever OD'd on pot you drive slower high too ( not everyone and i don't condone driving high but if you had too), people run people over every day drunk yet alcholol is legal.thats nutty.

[woo]

yup! i got bamboozled first time around buying the 420 solution, then im like wait.... it ingredients salt. alcholol, citrus..... wtf. for 7 dollars? i can make 3 gallons for 7 bucks.


the blunts are killer, papers too, glass bowls or even better I bought myslef a vaporizer

all the effects of the high no bad shit or tar.

peep it

http://www.gotvape.com

in Cali they use these things like mad, I got the vapair one its insane. 150 bucks for your life not a bad trade off.

I think its crazy that weed isn't socially acceptable fully yet and illegal no one ever killed or died on weed.
"you may think he dead, he aint dead , he gonna wake up in 30 minutes hungry enough to eat up everything in your house!"

no one ever OD'd on pot you drive slower high too ( not everyone and i don't condone driving high but if you had too), people run people over every day drunk yet alcholol is legal.thats nutty.

i don't buy that tho. don't think i ever will.

there have been reports of pple who had heart attacks while stoned.

[TrippinFace101]

i don't buy that tho. don't think i ever will.

there have been reports of pple who had heart attacks while stoned.

They prob had heart problems nothing is full proof but people been smoking bud for 10,000 yrs and no one ever oded.

[Chris]

They prob had heart problems nothing is full proof but people been smoking bud for 10,000 yrs and no one ever oded.

exactly im quite sure if they had a heart attack it was from something else.

maybe a panic attack i doubt a heart attack.


when you smoke weed trying to come off crack that may happen....

[Chris]

i don't buy that tho. don't think i ever will.

there have been reports of pple who had heart attacks while stoned.
?

suspect at best. ok even if so 5 cases in 10,000 years sounds pretty safe to me.

whats it 15,000 death by driving and intoxication in this country each year? not even a comparison.

And i have yet to hear of any deaths from MJ, maybe panic attacks they THOUGHT they were having aheart attack, i know someone that ran to the hpospital for this.

[woo]

They prob had heart problems nothing is full proof but people been smoking bud for 10,000 yrs and no one ever oded.

well pple can say smoking cigarettes is involved with heart attacks- and i don't want to hear that nicotine alone is the culprit. the suffocation in the lungs while you smoke raises the HR.

[woo]

?

suspect at best. ok even if so 5 cases in 10,000 years sounds pretty safe to me.

whats it 15,000 death by driving and intoxication in this country each year? not even a comparison.

And i have yet to hear of any deaths from MJ, maybe panic attacks they THOUGHT they were having aheart attack, i know someone that ran to the hpospital for this.

how does a cop check to see if you are driving stoned? srsly.. eyedroppers take the red out. there is no breathalizer or any other method to prove in court that one is DUI.

[Chris]

how does a cop check to see if you are driving stoned? srsly.. eyedroppers take the red out. there is no breathalizer or any other method to prove in court that one is DUI.

don't follow what your asking?

you can't check unless they do a piss test.

are you trying to say that a bunch of people caught Driving drunk were really high? cause that makes zero sense. you can tell when someones drunk by smelling them

[jucrew1]

don't follow what your asking?

you can't check unless they do a piss test.

are you trying to say that a bunch of people caught Driving drunk were really high? cause that makes zero sense. you can tell when someones drunk by smelling them

i think what he's trying to say is that some accidents may be caused by a driver being high but there isn't an easy way to tell that like giving someone a breathalizer but this guy is just stubborn and is obviously NOT gonna change his opinion on this matter so your wasting your time.

If Alcohol and cigarette's are legal, Marijuana 100% should be too, nuff said.

[vman]

no one ever OD'd on pot you drive slower high too ( not everyone and i don't condone driving high but if you had too), people run people over every day drunk yet alcholol is legal.thats nutty.

Driving high is just as bad as driving drunk. lol

[vman]

i think what he's trying to say is that some accidents may be caused by a driver being high but there isn't an easy way to tell that like giving someone a breathalizer but this guy is just stubborn and is obviously NOT gonna change his opinion on this matter so your wasting your time.

If Alcohol and cigarette's are legal, Marijuana 100% should be too, nuff said.

NOt to mention, so many more people drink than smoke weed.

[SLAVE2THEMUZIK]

Smoking pot may not be associate with lung cancer but it is most definitely associated with COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)

[woo]

Driving high is just as bad as driving drunk. lol

generally speaking, i feel the same way.


Smoking pot may not be associate with lung cancer but it is most definitely associated with COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)

totally. the lungs inflame from any smoke- even pot smoke. when the inflame, let the mucus party begin :Party

[woo]

i think what he's trying to say is that some accidents may be caused by a driver being high but there isn't an easy way to tell that like giving someone a breathalizer but this guy is just stubborn and is obviously NOT gonna change his opinion on this matter so your wasting your time.

If Alcohol and cigarette's are legal, Marijuana 100% should be too, nuff said.

im a girl first off. i don't think smoking marijuana is healthy for the lungs or CV system. i smoke regularly myself (as if that should make a diff in my opinion but whatever)

[Chris]

Driving high is just as bad as driving drunk. lol

wrong

try to drive high im sure chances are youll make it home fine.

now down a 1/5 of vodka and try to do the same thing and see if you don't wind up smashed into a parked carr..

people how you can even say 1 is as bad as the other when statistic show their are just as much drunk driving deaths as violent deatchs in this country. thats insane.
Im sorry aint no cop mistaking someone who ran aperson over as drunk when they are high.. not happening .

whens the last fist fight, gun fight knife fight spousal abuse domestic beef, or club fight you seen from WEED? NOT NEVER......

how bout Alcohol? go on do the research.

who wants to fight when they are high on pot? Who wants to fight when they are drunk?
How much violence comes from Alcohol? what about Pot?

[Chris]

generally speaking, i feel the same way.



totally. the lungs inflame from any smoke- even pot smoke. when the inflame, let the mucus party begin :Party

thats why you buy a vaporizer so their is no smoke and only thc.

[WonderBread]

So Chris,

Are you advocating that there are no side effects of smoking pot? That it is totally fine and smoking pot for 30 years, your lungs will be clean as a whistle and if they are not, it had to be something else along with the weed? Is this what you are saying?

I just want to make sure that I understand your argument. I know what alcohol could do to you but I do not agree that there is nothing wrong with somking weed. I knwo plenty of peole that are so burnt from years of smoking weed that you cannot tell me that there is not effect on at least the brain.

[vman]

wrong

try to drive high im sure chances are youll make it home fine.

now down a 1/5 of vodka and try to do the same thing and see if you don't wind up smashed into a parked carr..

people how you can even say 1 is as bad as the other when statistic show their are just as much drunk driving deaths as violent deatchs in this country. thats insane.
Im sorry aint no cop mistaking someone who ran aperson over as drunk when they are high.. not happening .

whens the last fist fight, gun fight knife fight spousal abuse domestic beef, or club fight you seen from WEED? NOT NEVER......

how bout Alcohol? go on do the research.

who wants to fight when they are high on pot? Who wants to fight when they are drunk?
How much violence comes from Alcohol? what about Pot?
The part about driving is just ignorant

[WonderBread]

VMAN. you used to post on Elite Fitness right? I thought I seen you up in there a few years back.

[Chris]

The part about driving is just ignorant

k

have you ever drove drunk?

what about high?

curious to know if you ever did these things or your just soundboardin from the side lines?

whats sso ignorant about it? im not advocating driving under the influence of anything, im saying if i had to drive home and had no other way around it, and i had to pick being drunk or being high to get myself home safely and not harm someone i would pick being high 10 times out of 10.
and if you ask anyone who smokes and drinks im quite sure they will agree.

[Chris]

So Chris,

Are you advocating that there are no side effects of smoking pot? That it is totally fine and smoking pot for 30 years, your lungs will be clean as a whistle and if they are not, it had to be something else along with the weed? Is this what you are saying?

I just want to make sure that I understand your argument. I know what alcohol could do to you but I do not agree that there is nothing wrong with somking weed. I knwo plenty of peole that are so burnt from years of smoking weed that you cannot tell me that there is not effect on at least the brain.

im sure there is an effect. as im sure there is an effect from the countless hormones we all have been eating for the past 30 years laced in our foods and dairy. no?

Im sure there is an effect from the air riddled with pollution we breath no?

im sure there is an effect from smoking pot, i been smoking for about 15 years. Im doing pretty damn good formyself i can't speak for others but their are plentyyyyyyy well functioning pot heads. not too many well functioning alcoholics. Im not contesting that its not effecting your brain or your lungs, but im saying pound for pound the lesser of the 2 evils between pot and alcohol is by far pot.

THC is short term memory loss there is NO finding that it is permanant, the only other thing i can say is lung damage. but vaporization shows that there is NO carcinogens when MJ is vaporized. So you take all the bad out of it, and just get the THC.

Other than that look at what alcohol can do to you, besides, the obvious death, diabetes, scoriasis of the liver, enhances the aging process, completely kills testosterone production in your body, and a ton of other stuff.
I never said theres no side effects? the post started off as it doesn't say it causes cancer no one said anythign about side effects. If you smoke your going to be slow and slightly retarded at times sleep it off your golden. if you smoke alot times that by ten. other than that, i personally believe alcohol to be worse than MJ. but thats my belief no one has to join me in this its ok...

[Chris]

NOt to mention, so many more people drink than smoke weed.

i really don't agree with that either.

you'd be suprised how many people smoke weed you just don't know about it.

Practically everyone i know in every walk of life smokes, unless your a corporate sharecropper or a cop and get tested regularly.....Doc, Lawyers, Teachers, Musicians, Artists, Film makers the list goes on forever.

[WonderBread]

im sure there is an effect. as im sure there is an effect from the countless hormones we all have been eating for the past 30 years laced in our foods and dairy. no?

Im sure there is an effect from the air riddled with pollution we breath no?

im sure there is an effect from smoking pot, i been smoking for about 15 years. Im doing pretty damn good formyself i can't speak for others but their are plentyyyyyyy well functioning pot heads. not too many well functioning alcoholics. Im not contesting that its not effecting your brain or your lungs, but im saying pound for pound the lesser of the 2 evils between pot and alcohol is by far pot.

THC is short term memory loss there is NO finding that it is permanant, the only other thing i can say is lung damage. but vaporization shows that there is NO carcinogens when MJ is vaporized. So you take all the bad out of it, and just get the THC.

Other than that look at what alcohol can do to you, besides, the obvious death, diabetes, scoriasis of the liver, enhances the aging process, completely kills testosterone production in your body, and a ton of other stuff.
I never said theres no side effects? the post started off as it doesn't say it causes cancer no one said anythign about side effects. If you smoke your going to be slow and slightly retarded at times sleep it off your golden. if you smoke alot times that by ten. other than that, i personally believe alcohol to be worse than MJ. but thats my belief no one has to join me in this its ok...


With that response, I have nothing else to say. You proved your point. You acknowledge that there is an effect. I wasn't sure from previous posts if you were or not. I am not comparing alcohol to MJ in any way. I was just asking if you believed MJ had ANY effect.

[Chris]

With that response, I have nothing else to say. You proved your point. You acknowledge that there is an effect. I wasn't sure from previous posts if you were or not. I am not comparing alcohol to MJ in any way. I was just asking if you believed MJ had ANY effect.

no i totally think it does soemthing i think everytime we step into a club and do anything in life it effects us, just im not gonna say smoking pot is gonna kill you thats out of control in my opinion. drinking will DEF kill you.

[WonderBread]

Everything is going to kill us eventually. Might as well enjoy life while you can!!

On a side note, I cant smoke pot, have tried a few times but just cant seem to do it, wish I could...lol

[jucrew1]

anyone who thinks driving high is just as bad as driving drunk obviously hasn't done both and there opinion is not valid. I've driven high a number of times and i'm sure i will again. I'm not gonna say that there's no difference as when i'm sober but it's not much of a difference and by far safer than driving tired, drunk, or while talking on a cell phone.

[bigkito]

k

have you ever drove drunk?

what about high?

curious to know if you ever did these things or your just soundboardin from the side lines?

whats sso ignorant about it? im not advocating driving under the influence of anything, im saying if i had to drive home and had no other way around it, and i had to pick being drunk or being high to get myself home safely and not harm someone i would pick being high 10 times out of 10.
and if you ask anyone who smokes and drinks im quite sure they will agree.

couldnt agree more
id be way better off driving home after 10 joints then i would after 10 drinks
the effect of pot is no where near as dangerous as alcohol


im sure there is an effect. as im sure there is an effect from the countless hormones we all have been eating for the past 30 years laced in our foods and dairy. no?

Im sure there is an effect from the air riddled with pollution we breath no?

im sure there is an effect from smoking pot, i been smoking for about 15 years. Im doing pretty damn good formyself i can't speak for others but their are plentyyyyyyy well functioning pot heads. not too many well functioning alcoholics. Im not contesting that its not effecting your brain or your lungs, but im saying pound for pound the lesser of the 2 evils between pot and alcohol is by far pot.

THC is short term memory loss there is NO finding that it is permanant, the only other thing i can say is lung damage. but vaporization shows that there is NO carcinogens when MJ is vaporized. So you take all the bad out of it, and just get the THC.

Other than that look at what alcohol can do to you, besides, the obvious death, diabetes, scoriasis of the liver, enhances the aging process, completely kills testosterone production in your body, and a ton of other stuff.
I never said theres no side effects? the post started off as it doesn't say it causes cancer no one said anythign about side effects. If you smoke your going to be slow and slightly retarded at times sleep it off your golden. if you smoke alot times that by ten. other than that, i personally believe alcohol to be worse than MJ. but thats my belief no one has to join me in this its ok...

:applaud
people you would never expect to, smoke pot......u just dont know it lol

[kroms]

COPD cant kill you?