PDA

View Full Version : This is not an empty suit ...this suit is downright vacant



jameznyhc
07-23-2008, 10:55 AM
Lol wanna hear a non answer?? i never in my life heard such a vague and pathetically pointless answer .. what a joke


THE MIDDLE EAST
Obama vague on peace ideas
As Barack Obama prepared to meet with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, journalists pressed him for a detailed stance on his peace plans.
Posted on Wed, Jul. 23, 2008reprint print email
Facebook Digg del.icio.us AIM
BY MARGARET TALEV AND DION NISSENBAUM
McClatchy News Service
AMMAN, Jordan -- Heading into a full day of meetings Wednesday with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, Barack Obama said Tuesday that if he is elected he will push for a two-state peace settlement ''from the minute I'm sworn into office,'' but added that ``it's unrealistic to expect that a U.S. president alone can suddenly snap his fingers and bring about peace in this region.''

In a news conference at the historic ruins of the Citadel in Jordan's capital, Amman, just hours after completing a visit to Afghanistan, Obama also said that what he had seen and heard there only underscored his desire to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq over a 16-month period and to add more forces in Afghanistan.

`PERILOUS AND URGENT'

He said that Iraqi leaders wanted to take charge of their country, while Afghanistan was deteriorating rapidly and threatened the safety of Pakistan and ultimately the United States. He termed the situation ``perilous and urgent.''

''That is where the 9/11 attacks were planned,'' the presumptive Democratic nominee said. ``And today in Afghanistan and the border region of Pakistan, al Qaeda and the Taliban are mounting a growing offensive against the security of the Afghan people, and increasingly the Pakistani people, while plotting new attacks against the United States.''

ok so now the terrorist and taliban are goin into afghanistan after being defeated in Iraq ..Whats your fucking plan??? details please??


Obama condemned an attack in Jerusalem earlier in the day by a Palestinian who drove a heavy construction backhoe into a bus and at least five cars, and he said it could complicate Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations.

Obama said that attacks such as that were likely to make the Israelis ``want to dig in and simply think about their own security.''

''I strongly condemn this attack and will always support Israel in confronting terrorism and pursuing lasting peace and security,'' he said.

Details please???

Local Arab journalists pressed Obama for a detailed stance on Palestinian land rights or the politics of peace negotiations with Israelis, but the Illinois senator kept his answers fairly general.

He sounded less than optimistic about any immediate peace prospects, saying that the Israeli government was unsettled and the Palestinians were divided between the Fatah and Hamas movements. ''So it's difficult for either side to make the bold move that would bring about peace,'' he said.

:LOL:LOL really messiah?? oh thankyou for such an astounding observation ..lmao :booted


Nevertheless, he stressed that as president, he would be committed to helping.

''My goal is to make sure that we work starting from the minute I'm sworn in to office to try to find some breakthroughs,'' Obama said.

In Amman, Obama was flanked by Sens. Jack Reed, D-R.I., and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., who accompanied him to the war zones.

Asked about last year's increase of U.S. troops in Iraq, which has contributed to growing stability there, Obama acknowledged that it had helped but stood by his steadfast opposition to it. He suggested that his January 2007 proposal to begin troop withdrawals to pressure Iraqis to reconcile might have worked too.

NOT ENOUGH PROGRESS

''I believe that the situation in Iraq is more secure than it was a year and a half ago,'' he conceded, adding: ``Originally, the administration suggested that the key measure was whether it gave breathing room for political reconciliation. So far, I think we have not seen the kind of political reconciliation that's going to bring about long-term stability in Iraq.''

Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, hammered Obama again Tuesday at a town-hall meeting in New Hampshire for not supporting the troop buildup.

McCain reminded voters that he had pushed for the extra troops at great political risk, since initially he was opposing the president of his party. He repeated his line that he'd rather lose an election than lose a war.

Now, he said, Obama is in the opposite position, sticking with his opposition to the troop increase to appeal to antiwar voters.

McClatchy correspondent Steven Thomma contributed to this report from Washington.


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/614338.html

John Kennedy
07-23-2008, 11:32 AM
He's a candidate for president.. he shouldn't be over there negotiating peace deals or even campaigning at all.. he's meeting with them as a gesture and fact-finding.. it's not his job to be negotiating peace deals and making propositions to Palestinians that he can't deliver on as a single senator or as a candidate.

jameznyhc
07-23-2008, 11:34 AM
He's a candidate for president.. he shouldn't be over there negotiating peace deals or even campaigning at all.. he's meeting with them as a gesture and fact-finding.. it's not his job to be negotiating peace deals and making propositions to Palestinians that he can't deliver on as a single senator or as a candidate.

who said he should?? .. we just want to know what his plan is when he does become president .. thats all the arab reporters wanted to know

John Kennedy
07-23-2008, 11:39 AM
What kind of detailed plan can you give before the actual event? How do you say "this is what I'll do when elected president" without affecting policy or interfering with the present day? No candidate has ever gone to the mid-east and given a detailed plan, that defeats the purpose of peace dealing and negotiating. Did Mccain offer a detailed plan to palestinians? Did any candidate ever get into details and say "hey, tehse are the carrots I'm gonna offer you in 2 years when I'm president, so just sit back and don't do anything for the next 2 years, and I'll give you what you want then".. it doesn't make sense. Show me teh detailed plan Mccain gave them to fix things. Candidates are supposed to only offer their stance, their side on the issue.. not map out details pretending they are commander in chief.. that interferes with current policy.

jameznyhc
07-23-2008, 11:52 AM
What kind of detailed plan can you give before the actual event? How do you say "this is what I'll do when elected president" without affecting policy or interfering with the present day? No candidate has ever gone to the mid-east and given a detailed plan, that defeats the purpose of peace dealing and negotiating. Did Mccain offer a detailed plan to palestinians? Did any candidate ever get into details and say "hey, tehse are the carrots I'm gonna offer you in 2 years when I'm president, so just sit back and don't do anything for the next 2 years, and I'll give you what you want then".. it doesn't make sense. Show me teh detailed plan Mccain gave them to fix things. Candidates are supposed to only offer their stance, their side on the issue.. not map out details pretending they are commander in chief.. that interferes with current policy.

sure they have when bush ran in 2000 he blasted arafat said he would never negotiate with him ... called him a terrorist and pointed out how he stabbed cklinton in the back .. Bush said straight there no way peace is possible with arafat in power ...

Secondly Obama already gave his goals to Aipac right?? we just wanna know how he going to reach them ..you dont have to go into massive detail ..id be satisfied with an outline ..

Thirdly he went into iraq with his mind made up and spouted off policy he will implement ..

He seems afraid to take a stand now that he meeting with palestinians .. he sounded way tougher at aipac .. i wonder why

metfan85
07-23-2008, 11:57 AM
Bush also said he was going to have a humble foreign policy. so much for campaign promises

jameznyhc
07-23-2008, 12:52 PM
Bush also said he was going to have a humble foreign policy. so much for campaign promises

off topic ..but for the record..

well he offered the taliban to hand over bin laden and al qaeda ..war could ahve been avoided

He offered Saddaam 18 months to cooperate before invading ..

He was very complimentary to Putin and got shit on ..

He fliflopped and sent negoitaters to iran ...why?? i have no clue

Defekted
07-23-2008, 01:02 PM
He is doing a superb job on this trip, by all accounts its A+ so far with Europe Obamamania still left in the forecast.

He has been presidential and has passed the superficial tests that people said he risks fucking up on...... he assured all involved including Petraues that when he is president he will be giving the mission and they will follow, he sounded strong and confident in every interview.......

as for the Israeli/palestinian portion he assured them that he wouldnt waste A SECOND in trying to bring about peace, not like Bush who waited till it turned to hell on earth before he even spoke about it.

You have to understand he isnt setting policy on this trip, he isnt the president yet, thats not his role, he doesnt want to show up bush, which would be in bad taste...this is just for him to meet the leaders, speak vaguely on strategy and outlook with optimism and dedication, and intake all the leaders opinions and suggestions...... fact finding is what they call it, not policy giving, not yet baby.....that happens the second he is sworn in ;)

jameznyhc
07-23-2008, 01:03 PM
:booted
He is doing a superb job on this trip, by all accounts its A+ so far with Europe Obamamania still left in the forecast.

He has been presidential and has passed the superficial tests that people said he risks fucking up on...... he assured all involved including Petraues that when he is president he will be giving the mission and they will follow, he sounded strong and confident in every interview.......

as for the Israeli/palestinian portion he assured them that he wouldnt waste A SECOND in trying to bring about peace, not like Bush who waited till it turned to hell on earth before he even spoke about it.

You have to understand he isnt setting policy on this trip, he isnt the president yet, thats not his role, he doesnt want to show up bush, which would be in bad taste...this is just for him to meet the leaders, speak vaguely on strategy and outlook with optimism and dedication, and intake all the leaders opinions and suggestions...... fact finding is what they call it, not policy giving, not yet baby.....that happens the second he is sworn in ;)

Spin pigeon spin ...

Defekted
07-23-2008, 01:11 PM
:booted

Spin pigeon spin ...

lol,

dont be mad man.... i know your sweating. Nothing like sitting in your cell on Death Row, KNOWING, ANTICIPATING the inevitable..... years turn to months, months turn to days..... days to minutes..... Sweat starts to roll down your cheek, you start to pace around your laptop. You start to uncontrollably shake......

tic toc tic toc.......

I just hope that you dont have a heart attack by the time election day comes, that wouldnt be cool.

jameznyhc
07-23-2008, 01:19 PM
lol,

dont be mad man.... i know your sweating. Nothing like sitting in your cell on Death Row, KNOWING, ANTICIPATING the inevitable..... years turn to months, months turn to days..... days to minutes..... Sweat starts to roll down your cheek, you start to pace around your laptop. You start to uncontrollably shake......

tic toc tic toc.......

I just hope that you dont have a heart attack by the time election day comes, that wouldnt be cool.

:floor:floor....yeah real scared .. Again an Obama win can be a blessing for republicans to get their shit together ..I aint sweating this like 04 ..not by a long shot ..