Savage on Autism

[ShaE]

Anybody else catch this? Jesus christ what an ass. If you want to say autism is overdiagnosed, or mistreated, fine. But don't insult people saying autistic kids are brats. What is it with conservative radio that requires you to be an asshole blowhard?
Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out"


Summary: On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is



"[a] fraud, a racket. ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' "


http://mediamatters.org/items/200807170005

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[jameznyhc]

Anybody else catch this? Jesus christ what an ass. If you want to say autism is overdiagnosed, or mistreated, fine. But don't insult people saying autistic kids are brats. What is it with conservative radio that requires you to be an asshole blowhard?
Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out"


Summary: On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is



"[a] fraud, a racket. ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' "


http://mediamatters.org/items/200807170005

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You were missing last week we had a huge discussion .. if you listen to it in its entirty you would agree with 90% of what he says considering our past discussions .. let me find the thread .. ill post the link so you can catch up

[ShaE]

You were missing last week we had a huge discussion .. if you listen to it in its entirty you would agree with 90% of what he says considering our past discussions .. let me find the thread .. ill post the link so you can catch up
Talk like his is what drives people away from listening to his statements in their entirety. That's my point.

I have a feeling he could make a relevant point, but speaking so offensively deters anyone from hearing wtf you have to say. It's lack of tact and complete sensitivity.

[jameznyhc]

Talk like his is what drives people away from listening to his statements in their entirety. That's my point.

I have a feeling he could make a relevant point, but speaking so offensively deters anyone from hearing wtf you have to say. It's lack of tact and complete sensitivity.

he did .. it was out of context .. he railing against pharmaceuticals, corrupt doctors, ..his brother died and he was mentally retarded .. soi this hits a nerve with him ..if you go to his site you can listen to every one of these points

1. Savage says the real cases of autism need our sympathy and support. Listen

2. Savage says his brother was severely disabled and that misdiagnosis hurts the child. Listen

3. Savage says that the genuinely autistic need as much love and attention as we can give them. Listen

4. Savage talks about his disabled brother who died in a hospital. Listen

5. Savage speaks with Wendy Fournier, President of the National Autism Association. Listen

6. Savage interviews psychiatrist Dr. Peter Breggin. Dr. Breggin says that though there are real cases of autism, those involved in the broadening of its diagnosis are in the pay of pharmaceutical companies. Breggin says Savage is correct that autism is over diagnosed. Listen

7. Savage speaks with Dr. Stephen Camarata of Vanderbilt University who has worked extensively with autistic children. He says that the definition of autism has been expanded too far. Listen

8. Caller Kyle is a school psychologist who works with autistic kids and agrees with Savage on the over diagnosis of autism and how it only hurts the kids who truly have the condition. Listen

9. Caller Susan says her child was labeled autistic by school officials and that she was pressured to sign off on the diagnosis. Listen

10. Caller Tikvah is a therapist in New York City who works with children who says that kids are frequently labeled with autism even though they have other conditions because the agencies are provided with more funds for that diagnosis. Listen

11. Savage says his comments about autism were directed at those who are falsely diagnosed and that he knows what it's like to have a child suffer in front of his eyes. Listen

12. Savage reads from his book Healing Children Naturally where he cautions against the drugging of children. Listen

13. Savage mentions that UK doctors do not screen for autism because screening tools have not been fully validated. Listen

14. Savage says real autism is devastating, but that it's difficult to diagnose, such that the do not screen for it in the UK. Savage says that over diagnosis occurs because of the "autistic spectrum" and this is insulting to the truly ill. Listen

15. Caller Victoria has an autistic child and says it is too easy to get a child diagnosed as autistic. Savage says resources for autism must be reserved for children like hers. Listen

16. Savage says he has devoted his life to helping children and gives the context for his remarks. Listen

17. Savage criticizes doctors for recommending cholesterol drugs on children as young as two. Listen

18. Savage says that though people are making money from false diagnosis, real cases of autism deserve our sympathy and out support. Listen

19. Savage says many experts say that many children are falsely diagnosed. Listen

20. Savage says that real autism is tragic, and that a false diagnosis is a crime against the child.

http://www.savageonautism.com/

[jameznyhc]

Talk like his is what drives people away from listening to his statements in their entirety. That's my point.

I have a feeling he could make a relevant point, but speaking so offensively deters anyone from hearing wtf you have to say. It's lack of tact and complete sensitivity.

its happens to anyone outspoken .. look at bill maher how many times they take him out of context .. except the cheney coment :tisktisk:tisktisk

[ShaE]

its happens to anyone outspoken .. look at bill maher how many times they take him out of context .. except the cheney coment :tisktisk:tisktisk
no, not every person that is outspoken is TACTLESS. I am very outspoken, very opinionated, and I rarely look back on things I've said and feel crass nor do I offend people in my daily life. I know my limits and how to say things delicately.

You ruin the effectiveness of your point if you say it in the most insulting, inflammatory way. it's like my problem with coulter, nobody will listen b/c she's too busy saying things overly-offensively.

maher can be offensive, but most times he's not looking for the shock value of the statement.

taking something out of context is not the same as saying it in a purposely hurtful way.
99% are just brats that haven't been told to shut up? how else would one take that?

[jameznyhc]

no, not every person that is outspoken is TACTLESS. I am very outspoken, very opinionated, and I rarely look back on things I've said and feel crass nor do I offend people in my daily life. I know my limits and how to say things delicately.

You ruin the effectiveness of your point if you say it in the most insulting, inflammatory way. it's like my problem with coulter, nobody will listen b/c she's too busy saying things overly-offensively.

maher can be offensive, but most times he's not looking for the shock value of the statement.

taking something out of context is not the same as saying it in a purposely hurtful way.
99% are just brats that haven't been told to shut up? how else would one take that?

coulter is a fuckin moron ..and an embarassment .. savage on a totally different level ..


An independent-minded individualist, Michael Savage fits no stereotype. He attacks big government and liberal media bias, but champions the environment and animal rights.

Trained as a scientist, he holds Master’s degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned his Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science. He spent decades searching and saving tropical rainforests.

Savage is also the author of 18 books including four New York Times Best Sellers: "The Political Zoo", "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder", “The Savage Nation” and “The Enemy Within.”

[Chris]

im pretty tactless sometimes, however i gotta say somehting

i agree somewhat with him in some senses. maybe not his presentation of it, but statistically speaking everyone in NJ's children has fucking autism?!? everyone has ADHD, or ADD? the WHOLE country is sick? come on, there is autism and then theirs aspergers which is a high functioning autism, one of the dudes we work with has this and honestly he can hold a job, conversation, train martial arts, and do insane work, BUT when shit hits the fan and he can live up to his word, then all of a sudden its his autism.. i think alot of it is bullshit. if you have full on autism thats 1 thing, but to have a slight autism like i have slight dyslexia or slight add, is really like my grandfather said
a good swift kick in the ass. Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.

[jameznyhc]

im pretty tactless sometimes, however i gotta say somehting

i agree somewhat with him in some senses. maybe not his presentation of it, but statistically speaking everyone in NJ's children has fucking autism?!? everyone has ADHD, or ADD? the WHOLE country is sick? come on, there is autism and then theirs aspergers which is a high functioning autism, one of the dudes we work with has this and honestly he can hold a job, conversation, train martial arts, and do insane work, BUT when shit hits the fan and he can live up to his word, then all of a sudden its his autism.. i think alot of it is bullshit. if you have full on autism thats 1 thing, but to have a slight autism like i have slight dyslexia or slight add, is really like my grandfather said
a good swift kick in the ass. Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.

exactly!

[ShaE]

Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.
agreed completely, but to say 99% percent of cases are bullshit when kids honestly are suffering is complete bull.

sweeping legit illnesses under the rug is just as bad as treating every behavioral problem as some "sickness" and prescribing meds for it. both are ineffectual and harmful.

[Chris]

agreed completely, but to say 99% percent of cases are bullshit when kids honestly are suffering is complete bull.

sweeping legit illnesses under the rug is just as bad as treating every behavioral problem as some "sickness" and prescribing meds for it. both are ineffectual and harmful.

agreed on both takes 100%

tho the problem is drawing the fine line as to whats real and whats abuse on the docs part i guess.

[metfan85]

agreed completely, but to say 99% percent of cases are bullshit when kids honestly are suffering is complete bull.

sweeping legit illnesses under the rug is just as bad as treating every behavioral problem as some "sickness" and prescribing meds for it. both are ineffectual and harmful.

he said 99% of the kids misdiagnosed just need a kick in the ass.. i remember exactly what he said, I was driving across 125th st in harlem coming home from work when he said it and I knew people were gonna have a hissy fit... the guys done more for children than those losers at mediamatter who only know to criticize have or will ever do.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Who cares about listening to what he said in it's entirety...the fact remains that he still made those disgusting comments which he obv KNEW were going to be incredibly offensive and insensitive.

Whatever his point was, he could have gotten it across without being so obnoxious. That is so appalling...can't believe u guys are actually sticking up for him :disgusted

[metfan85]

im pretty tactless sometimes, however i gotta say somehting

i agree somewhat with him in some senses. maybe not his presentation of it, but statistically speaking everyone in NJ's children has fucking autism?!? everyone has ADHD, or ADD? the WHOLE country is sick? come on, there is autism and then theirs aspergers which is a high functioning autism, one of the dudes we work with has this and honestly he can hold a job, conversation, train martial arts, and do insane work, BUT when shit hits the fan and he can live up to his word, then all of a sudden its his autism.. i think alot of it is bullshit. if you have full on autism thats 1 thing, but to have a slight autism like i have slight dyslexia or slight add, is really like my grandfather said
a good swift kick in the ass. Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.


yeah man.. yo this guy was taught was a botanist, into herbal medicine.. eastern philosophies. he was saying how all these overdiagnoses are just part of the medical industry thats making billions off drugging our country.
he might have got it done in a rude way but at least theres a discussion now on irresponsible doctors

[metfan85]

Who cares about listening to what he said in it's entirety...the fact remains that he still made those disgusting comments which he obv KNEW were going to be incredibly offensive and insensitive.

Whatever his point was, he could have gotten it across without being so obnoxious. That is so appalling...can't believe u guys are actually sticking up for him :disgusted

cuz he didnt say 99% of the cases r bs. I listened to the 84 seconds, literally 84 seconds he spent on the topic and he did not say that George Soros's group, Media Matters has been trying to corner him for years. they are flat out liars and your all falling for the bait

[JustLikeHeaven]

cuz he didnt say 99% of the cases r bs. I listened to the 84 seconds, literally 84 seconds he spent on the topic and he did not say that George Soros's group, Media Matters has been trying to corner him for years. they are flat out liars and your all falling for the bait

Wait are u saying that he really DIDN'T say 99%?? So why has he not denied it then?

[metfan85]

Wait are u saying that he really DIDN'T say 99%?? So why has he not denied it then?

i heard him say it. of course he said it, heck i have the whole episode on my itunes.. he was talking about the kids that are misdiagnosed.
i dont understand how soft this country is where a few words by a doctor on a talk show host about people with misdiagnoses is sog goddamned offensive?

if you really want to learn something autism instead of what mediamatters says why dont you listen to these two clips...





http://www.savageonautism.com/ listen to #7 its Dr. Cammarata of Vanderbilt, whos the leading doctor on autism on research. but of course those who say he said wrong wont listen b/c its easier to read what mediamatters tells you and have a kneejerk reaction

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Who cares about listening to what he said in it's entirety...the fact remains that he still made those disgusting comments which he obv KNEW were going to be incredibly offensive and insensitive.

Whatever his point was, he could have gotten it across without being so obnoxious. That is so appalling...can't believe u guys are actually sticking up for him :disgusted

you can't just take comments without taking the context though. My nephew is autistic and is far from a spoiled brat, kid is 13 still can't have a conversation with you. However the fact is the government(FDA....etc), Big Pharma etc.....have been marketing and manipulating American's health & laws for capitalistic purposes. Is it any surprise that in the early 90's when the criteria for ADD/ADHD got changed that Prozac & Xanax prescriptions went from like 3-4 Million to like 90 million overnight and nowadays Zoloft outsells Tide, it's not a coincidence.

[JustLikeHeaven]

i heard him say it. of course he said it, heck i have the whole episode on my itunes.. he was talking about the kids that are misdiagnosed.
i dont understand how soft this country is where a few words by a doctor on a talk show host about people with misdiagnoses is sog goddamned offensive?

if you really want to learn something autism instead of what mediamatters says why dont you listen to these two clips...





http://www.savageonautism.com/ listen to #7 its Dr. Cammarata of Vanderbilt, whos the leading doctor on autism on research. but of course those who say he said wrong wont listen b/c its easier to read what mediamatters tells you and have a kneejerk reaction

I don't care about Savage or Media Matters. The whole point that u aren't understanding is that he could have gotten his point across without offending people, especially about such a sensitive issue.

Too soft are u kidding me??! How would u feel if u were the parent or sibling of someone who truly has this disorder and u heard something like that. They have every right to be outraged, it's disgusting.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

yeah man.. yo this guy was taught was a botanist, into herbal medicine.. eastern philosophies. he was saying how all these overdiagnoses are just part of the medical industry thats making billions off drugging our country.
he might have got it done in a rude way but at least theres a discussion now on irresponsible doctors

Did you ever pick up that book I told you about Comfortably Numb? That book is just loaded with nonsense on this topic. There is another good book, although far too conservative right for me called "The Marketing of Evil" that touches on the same topic in one of it's chapters.

[metfan85]

I don't care about Savage or Media Matters. The whole point that u aren't understanding is that he could have gotten his point across without offending people, especially about such a sensitive issue.

Too soft are u kidding me??! How would u feel if u were the parent or sibling of someone who truly has this disorder and u heard something like that. They have every right to be outraged, it's disgusting.

its talk radio, its fast you cant always check what you say.. youve never said a something ever seemed harsh? i find that hard to believe

again he wasnt talking about people who are truly autistic. how can one offend someone that you are not talking about?

and mike im sorry to hear about ur nephew

[Benny B]

I don't care about Savage or Media Matters. The whole point that u aren't understanding is that he could have gotten his point across without offending people, especially about such a sensitive issue.

Too soft are u kidding me??! How would u feel if u were the parent or sibling of someone who truly has this disorder and u heard something like that. They have every right to be outraged, it's disgusting.

it doesnt matter HOW he said it.. the point is he got his point made.. you may or may not agree with what he said.. but he now today has people talking about it.. instead of being blindfolded about it

[Benny B]

its talk radio, its fast you cant always check what you say.. youve never said a something ever seemed harsh? i find that hard to believe

again he wasnt talking about people who are truly autistic. how can one offend someone that you are not talking about?

and mike im sorry to hear about ur nephew

i know i never have.. :chuckle

[JustLikeHeaven]

We will never agree on this cause I think it's inexcusable.
I'd never say anything so offensive just to get a point across. U can get a point across without being so tactless and insensitive to peoples' situations.

[JustLikeHeaven]

its talk radio, its fast you cant always check what you say.. youve never said a something ever seemed harsh? i find that hard to believe
again he wasnt talking about people who are truly autistic. how can one offend someone that you are not talking about?

and mike im sorry to hear about ur nephew

Only when it's warranted

[Benny B]

We will never agree on this cause I think it's inexcusable.
I'd never say anything so offensive just to get a point across. U can get a point across without being so tactless and insensitive to peoples' situations.

do you not have to sometimes smack someone on the head to wake them up??? are there people that wouldnt understand what you are tryign to say because they are so blindsided by the situation because of what the docs have been feeding them for years??? that the only way to get your point accross is by making a outlandish comment to get your attention?

[JustLikeHeaven]

do you not have to sometimes smack someone on the head to wake them up??? are there people that wouldnt understand what you are tryign to say because they are so blindsided by the situation because of what the docs have been feeding them for years??? that the only way to get your point accross is by making a outlandish comment to get your attention?

It's pretty pathetic if u have to resort to being so insulting to get a point across. As u can see it clearly did not work in his favor so that reasoning doesn't even make sense.

[metfan85]

Did you ever pick up that book I told you about Comfortably Numb? That book is just loaded with nonsense on this topic. There is another good book, although far right too conservative right for me called "The Marketing of Evil" that touches on the same topic in one of it's chapters.

yeah but i havent read it yet.. im going wednesday on a 16 hour amtrak trip by myself

i picked up your book and Army at Dawn by Rick Atkinson, part I of the liberation trilogy its about the North AFRICA CAMPAIGN

[metfan85]

It's pretty pathetic if u have to resort to being so insulting to get a point across. As u can see it clearly did not work in his favor so that reasoning doesn't even make sense.

it worked pretty well if you ask me.. people who didnt like him before wont like him anyway. he didnt lose any sponsors, his name was all over the news for a week and most importantly he got a national dialogue going on over medication over diagnoses of serious illness ... illnesses whose funds r being dried by anyone who isnt truly sick.

so you still it didnt work?

[Benny B]

It's pretty pathetic if u have to resort to being so insulting to get a point across. As u can see it clearly did not work in his favor so that reasoning doesn't even make sense.

savage doesnt look for it to be in his favor.. the fact is people are talking about it today because of what was said.. the point is he opened peoples eyes to the subject.. trust me.. savage could careless what people think of him or what he has to say.. he main purpose is to be a voice of a subject regardless if its offensive or not

[Benny B]

it worked pretty well if you ask me.. people who didnt like him before wont like him anyway. he didnt lose any sponsors, his name was all over the news for a week and most importantly he got a national dialogue going on over medication over diagnoses of serious illness ... illnesses whose funds r being dried by anyone who isnt truly sick.

so you still it didnt work?

:agree

[JustLikeHeaven]

it worked pretty well if you ask me.. people who didnt like him before wont like him anyway. he didnt lose any sponsors, his name was all over the news for a week and most importantly he got a national dialogue going on over medication over diagnoses of serious illness ... illnesses whose funds r being dried by anyone who isnt truly sick.

so you still it didnt work?


savage doesnt look for it to be in his favor.. the fact is people are talking about it today because of what was said.. the point is he opened peoples eyes to the subject.. trust me.. savage could careless what people think of him or what he has to say.. he main purpose is to be a voice of a subject regardless if its offensive or not

I can never respect someone who feels the need to go about doing business this way. No I don't think it worked - there's so many ppl who want him off the air and sponsors who are dropping him. Just cuz ppl are buzzing about misdiagnosis now means it worked? I don't think so.

[Benny B]

I can never respect someone who feels the need to go about doing business this way. No I don't think it worked - there's so many ppl who want him off the air and sponsors who are dropping him. Just cuz ppl are buzzing about misdiagnosis know means it worked? I don't think so.

what sponsors are dropping him??? you mean the ones that jumped when cair said to??? if those are sponsors that are leaving him because of cair.. then im sure he is happy they are leaving him.. trust me.. he isnt hurting for sponsors even remotely...

[metfan85]

I can never respect someone who feels the need to go about doing business this way. No I don't think it worked - there's so many ppl who want him off the air and sponsors who are dropping him. Just cuz ppl are buzzing about misdiagnosis now means it worked? I don't think so.

LOL actually its the same people who wanted him off the air before they found a fake scandal. and no sponsors have rushed to drop, and his syndicator, talk radio network, said hes not being dropped by them either.

I really cant believe you think he did more harm than good. i find it really funny, actually sad that people are more worried about being offensive than the actual health of the person. whats offensive is psychologists working for schools falsely diagnosing kids with autism to get more money for the school... but WHEN HAS ANYONE EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY THAT?! morons goddamnit this country works assbackwards.. damn as a kid i knew stick and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me... i guess were too soft as a country for that line nowadays

[JustLikeHeaven]

LOL actually its the same people who wanted him off the air before they found a fake scandal. and no sponsors have rushed to drop, and his syndicator, talk radio network, said hes not being dropped by them either.

I really cant believe you think he did more harm than good. i find it really funny, actually sad that people are more worried about being offensive than the actual health of the person. whats offensive is psychologists working for schools falsely diagnosing kids with autism to get more money for the school... but WHEN HAS ANYONE EVER BEEN OFFENDED BY THAT?! morons goddamnit this country works assbackwards.. damn as a kid i knew stick and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me... i guess were too soft as a country for that line nowadays

So u truly think that now, because he went and made this comment - all of a sudden everything will change and people will open their eyes? Please. Don't be so naive...he def did not do more good than harm. Ppl who supported him before will continue to blindly support him (like u guys) and others who hated him before hate him even more now - and probably some ppl who were neutral before will think less of him now. So what did he gain??

[jameznyhc]

you can't just take comments without taking the context though. My nephew is autistic and is far from a spoiled brat, kid is 13 still can't have a conversation with you. However the fact is the government(FDA....etc), Big Pharma etc.....have been marketing and manipulating American's health & laws for capitalistic purposes. Is it any surprise that in the early 90's when the criteria for ADD/ADHD got changed that Prozac & Xanax prescriptions went from like 3-4 Million to like 90 million overnight and nowadays Zoloft outsells Tide, it's not a coincidence.

:applaud:applaud

[jameznyhc]

i know alex and benny are fans..did you guys hear the doctor who would go out with reps to other doctors after doing a prescription data mining ?? fuckin disgrace.. shit i wish i had time i gotta run .. ill get into detail later..

[Benny B]

So u truly think that now, because he went and made this comment - all of a sudden everything will change and people will open their eyes? Please. Don't be so naive...he def did not do more good than harm. Ppl who supported him before will continue to blindly support him (like u guys) and others who hated him before hate him even more now - and probably some ppl who were neutral before will think less of him now. So what did he gain??

ummm what did he gain.. he gained the fact that people are talking about what he said.. he gained the fact freeeeeeeeee advertising for his show.. :chuckle

just as you say people that were neautral now dont like him... just the same toss of the coin some now probably like him.. its with any of these guys.. ya win some support.. ya lose some support... it comes and goes.. but regardless people are talking about the ISSUE.. and just as you say we blindly support him.. you blindly throw away a subject based upon how he said it instead of talking about the issue at hand.. you make an issue of the wrong thing... so whos the blind one here???

[Chris]

listen i think this asshole should burn in hell that savage guy, cause usually hes a fucking fruit basket that would get slapped across the room.

but in this instance i undersatnd what he means to the people WHO ARE misdiagnosed, conversly i would never say that about someone who really has autism. Then they need help and not a kick in the ass.

peole like savage live on trying to raise a stink, cause thats the ONLY way they can get their point across, see its not really making people discuss the topic, its more about making people discuss what a blatant ignorant asshole he is. so he didn't start no monumental momentum in dialogue guys stop with that thats just again, like anyone who uses the ignore feature. gayyyyy.....

[JustLikeHeaven]

ummm what did he gain.. he gained the fact that people are talking about what he said.. he gained the fact freeeeeeeeee advertising for his show.. :chuckle

just as you say people that were neautral now dont like him... just the same toss of the coin some now probably like him.. its with any of these guys.. ya win some support.. ya lose some support... it comes and goes.. but regardless people are talking about the ISSUE.. and just as you say we blindly support him.. you blindly throw away a subject based upon how he said it instead of talking about the issue at hand.. you make an issue of the wrong thing... so whos the blind one here???

I highly doubt that.

[JustLikeHeaven]

listen i think this asshole should burn in hell that savage guy, cause usually hes a fucking fruit basket that would get slapped across the room.

but in this instance i undersatnd what he means to the people WHO ARE misdiagnosed, conversly i would never say that about someone who really has autism. Then they need help and not a kick in the ass.

peole like savage live on trying to raise a stink, cause thats the ONLY way they can get their point across, see its not really making people discuss the topic, its more about making people discuss what a blatant ignorant asshole he is. so he didn't start no monumental momentum in dialogue guys stop with that thats just again, like anyone who uses the ignore feature. gayyyyy.....

That is exactly what I said.
He didn't accomplish shit - he wasn't interested in getting the topic addressed he was interested in getting more publicity. U guys act as if he was trying to help the cause or something and had good intentions - I don't believe that BS.

And let's say hypothetically EVEN if he was - u can address an issue without being so blatantly disrespectful. That's all I gotta say on this.

[Chris]

That is exactly what I said.
He didn't accomplish shit - he wasn't interested in getting the topic addressed he was interested in getting more publicity. U guys act as if he was trying to help the cause or something and had good intentions - I don't believe that BS.

And let's say hypothetically EVEN if he was - u can address an issue without being so blatantly disrespectful. That's all I gotta say on this.


i agree he reminds me of an ann couture. another blatan idiot

[TheHipHopBillGates]

i know alex and benny are fans..did you guys hear the doctor who would go out with reps to other doctors after doing a prescription data mining ?? fuckin disgrace.. shit i wish i had time i gotta run .. ill get into detail later..

What you think that's something new? I work for a pharmaceudical marketing co and we have teams and teams of phd medical writers doing that, you have no idea the amount of $$$$ being pumped into data mining patient & prescription information and marketing patient education. You think it's a coincidence that patients come into a doctor asking for Viagara or Zoloft instead of generic brand X, or that doctors pump out whatever free samples they get $$$$$ & the EMO(see HMO) nonsense hitting schools next is even more ridiculous.

[ShaE]

agreed on both takes 100%

tho the problem is drawing the fine line as to whats real and whats abuse on the docs part i guess.
right, and abuse on the parents' part b/c they'd rather diagnose and medicate their child's problem away than handle it. parents get lazy, want a pill to fix their probs w/ their kid, and the dr. is more often than not a little too eager to oblige.

i can't think of anything worse to do to a kid who clearly needs special attention and extra help than medicating him thinking that solves the problem. now you just have a doped up kid w/ a problem, instead of just the problem.:disgusted

People who abuse diagnoses make it worse for those who actually do suffer. People take the problems less seriously b/c everyone and their mother has a "condition" nowadays.

[ShaE]

he said 99% of the kids misdiagnosed just need a kick in the ass.. i remember exactly what he said, I was driving across 125th st in harlem coming home from work when he said it and I knew people were gonna have a hissy fit... the guys done more for children than those losers at mediamatter who only know to criticize have or will ever do.
then he shouldn't do his hard work such a disservice by sounding like an arrogant prick. you do not convey understanding and empathy for someone's plight by blurting 99% of the afflicted are whiny bitches that need an ass kicking.

how would it look if i did all this work w/ the homeless, let's say, volunteer, charity work, etc.for their cause, and then went on record ranting about how the homeless are lazy, junkie, pieces of shit that really just need an ass kicking & a job. completely contradictory. it's like schizo lol

[ShaE]

Having tact and consideration when you speak is not being "soft" or "PC". It's called being mature. Since when did it become admirable to talk out your ass in this country unchecked? It's more honest to be a blowhard than put some thought into your words?

Only people who don't know how to be tactful think that.

[ShaE]

I'd never say anything so offensive just to get a point across. U can get a point across without being so tactless and insensitive to peoples' situations.
Some people can't multitask. Trying to get their point across is enough, you can't honestly expect them to focus on HOW they get it across SIMULTANEOUSLY can you? Way too much work.

[ShaE]

I could go shoot up a school, that would get the issue of gun control and school safety on the table REAL FAST, but is it a good fucking idea? no. Sometimes the method does more harm than good, and just b/c it got people talking, doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten people talking otherwise.

People who operate like this, raising hell, causing controversy to call attention to their issues and views, remind me of unruly kids who don't know any other way to express themselves & get what they want aside from temper tantrums and acting like terrors.

Pay attention to them at any cost, they don't care how they get your attention, as long as they do. Pretty fucking sad IMO. I always thought you were supposed to grow beyond that & as an adult have more tools than raising a stink.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Some people can't multitask. Trying to get their point across is enough, you can't honestly expect them to focus on HOW they get it across SIMULTANEOUSLY can you? Way too much work.

Lol exactly.
This guy deserves no admiration for being blunt or "raising concern" the way it's been wrongfully presented here. On the contrary, he should be condemned for his distastefulness.

[ShaE]

Lol exactly.
This guy deserves no admiration for being blunt or "raising concern" the way it's been wrongfully presented here. On the contrary, he should be condemned for his distastefulness.
He totally could've made his point that he thinks many of the cases are bunk, and that the kids just need some "tough love" instead. People might not have agreed, but there'd be nothing disrespectful in that.

If anything that comment just made parents of autistic kids defensive and angry. How likely are they going to be to consider his point if they're too busy being pissed and offended by his approach?

[JustLikeHeaven]

He totally could've made his point that he thinks many of the cases are bunk, and that the kids just need some "tough love" instead. People might not have agreed, but there'd be nothing disrespectful in that.

If anything that comment just made parents of autistic kids defensive and angry. How likely are they going to be to consider his point if they're too busy being pissed and offended by his approach?

exactly, he did not accomplish shit going about it this way.

[ShaE]

speaking from experience, :shufflepeople REALLY don't wanna hear what you have to say when you start out insulting and attacking them lol

[JustLikeHeaven]

speaking from experience, :shufflepeople REALLY don't wanna hear what you have to say when you start out insulting and attacking them lol

Lmao. Yea unfortunately I can attest to that as well...I'm sure my ex bf would agree :chuckle

[ShaE]

Lmao. Yea unfortunately I can attest to that as well...I'm sure my ex bf would agree :chuckle
I just can't shake the condescending tone sometimes lol

they said on In Treatment once,
"everything is communicated, whether you realize it or not".
if i think somebody is being stupid, i have a really hard time hiding it lol

[jameznyhc]

He wrote a book called "healing children naturally" .. he's done alot more for children than all of us here lmao.. until you all write abook dont be so quick to criticize.. what he said you all consider so terrible ?? who gives a fuck its not half as bad as to whats said in this forum so stop preteneding like your outraged lol ..the important thing is there a huige discussion now ..

[jameznyhc]

He totally could've made his point that he thinks many of the cases are bunk, and that the kids just need some "tough love" instead. People might not have agreed, but there'd be nothing disrespectful in that.

If anything that comment just made parents of autistic kids defensive and angry. How likely are they going to be to consider his point if they're too busy being pissed and offended by his approach?

his listeners arent mad or offended .. its the people who dont listen and have no clue like you guys that are pretending to be pissed .. besides its radio you have 3 choices.. the power button.. volum bottom and tuner ..theres your solution ..

[JustLikeHeaven]

He wrote a book called "healing children naturally" .. he's done alot more for children than all of us here lmao.. until you all write abook dont be so quick to criticize.. what he said you all consider so terrible ?? who gives a fuck its not half as bad as to whats said in this forum so stop preteneding like your outraged lol ..the important thing is there a huige discussion now ..


Ur the one who sounds ANGRAY lolol.
I never said I was outraged - more like disgusted. I said that the parents or people who have loved ones that actually have this disorder have every right to be.

[Benny B]

his listeners arent mad or offended .. its the people who dont listen and have no clue like you guys that are pretending to be pissed .. besides its radio you have 3 choices.. the power button.. volum bottom and tuner ..theres your solution ..

whatup james... actually kinda funny that most people that will make this arguement dont even know how well educated he is when it comes to medicine / health etc...

my sixth sense.. i see stupid people!!!! :LOL

[metfan85]

then he shouldn't do his hard work such a disservice by sounding like an arrogant prick. you do not convey understanding and empathy for someone's plight by blurting 99% of the afflicted are whiny bitches that need an ass kicking.

how would it look if i did all this work w/ the homeless, let's say, volunteer, charity work, etc.for their cause, and then went on record ranting about how the homeless are lazy, junkie, pieces of shit that really just need an ass kicking & a job. completely contradictory. it's like schizo lol

:sobbing people dont want to listen to what he said and only a portion and go ahead and criticize deserve to be offended

[JustLikeHeaven]

whatup james... actually kinda funny that most people that will make this arguement dont even know how well educated he is when it comes to medicine / health etc...

my sixth sense.. i see stupid people!!!! :LOL


:sobbing people dont want to listen to what he said and only a portion and go ahead and criticize deserve to be offended

How tragic…lol.
Why do we need to "pretend to be pissed." If that was the case I wouldn't even bother opening the thread and reading about it…I just find it disturbing that u guys are adamantly defending him as if he accomplished something so praiseworthy when in reality he definitely used bad judgement here, EVEN if his intention was to raise concern - which I don't believe it was in the first place.

[metfan85]

How tragic…lol.
Why do we need to "pretend to be pissed." If that was the case I wouldn't even bother opening the thread and reading about it…I just find it disturbing that u guys are adamantly defending him as if he accomplished something so praiseworthy when in reality he definitely used bad judgement here, EVEN if his intention was to raise concern - which I don't believe it was in the first place.

this is going to be my last post in this thread for a specific reason.. you listen to the show? you have any idea idea what the context was that he said it in?
didnt think so.. if i pick a line out of Barrys speech anywhere and said look how whatever he is, everyone would say no no no you need to hear the whole speech and theyd be right. well...

no one was offended by the comment until the left wing hags at mediamatters distorted his comments. only then did the mainstream media ppick up on on it and give the distorted view.

[JustLikeHeaven]

this is going to be my last post in this thread for a specific reason.. you listen to the show? you have any idea idea what the context was that he said it in?
didnt think so.. if i pick a line out of Barrys speech anywhere and said look how whatever he is, everyone would say no no no you need to hear the whole speech and theyd be right. well...

no one was offended by the comment until the left wing hags at mediamatters distorted his comments. only then did the mainstream media ppick up on on it and give the distorted view.

One line can easily be taken out of context and is totally diff than that rant that Shae posted. That could have been preceded with "I love autistic children" and it would still have been fucked up comments to make. Of course I don't listen to him, why would I lol? I don't listen to any talk radio for that matter.

Anyway I'm done w/this as well, clearly u guys can't bring yourselves to admit that what he said was wrong.

[metfan85]

Anyway I'm done w/this as well, clearly u guys can't bring yourselves to admit that what he said was wrong.

beat ya to it :yousuck


:chuckle

[jameznyhc]

How tragic…lol.
Why do we need to "pretend to be pissed." If that was the case I wouldn't even bother opening the thread and reading about it…I just find it disturbing that u guys are adamantly defending him as if he accomplished something so praiseworthy when in reality he definitely used bad judgement here, EVEN if his intention was to raise concern - which I don't believe it was in the first place.

ok maybe he should have called them ghay or homos like the lefties in this forum like to scream .. lol .. then you be supporting it hahahaha ..

[JustLikeHeaven]

ok maybe he should have called them ghay or homos like the lefties in this forum like to scream .. lol .. then you be supporting it hahahaha ..

tres geigh

[jameznyhc]

whatup james... actually kinda funny that most people that will make this arguement dont even know how well educated he is when it comes to medicine / health etc...

my sixth sense.. i see stupid people!!!! :LOL

lol im wondering what he said that was so bad.. he was talkin about bogus cases ..plenty of AdHD and ADD cases that are fake also .. boo hoo he said johnny needs a kick in the butt and called him a putz.. these people arent mad or outraged.. they dont like savages agenda.. if he said i hope cheney gets klilled when visiting our troops ( bill mahrer) they'd be cheering ..lol

[JustLikeHeaven]

lol im wondering what he said that was so bad.. he was talkin about bogus cases ..plenty of AdHD and ADD cases that are fake also .. boo hoo he said johnny needs a kick in the butt and called him a putz.. these people arent mad or outraged.. they dont like savages agenda.. if he said i hope cheney gets klilled when visiting our troops ( bill mahrer) they'd be cheering ..lol

Talking shit about/making fun of a politician doesn't offend most people, lol. That's nowhere near comparable to making offensive comments about autistic kids.

[John Kennedy]

can we stop already.. are we really having an argument about his delivery?

[JustLikeHeaven]

can we stop already.. are we really having an argument about his delivery?

They started it. LOL

I'd be curious to know...what do u think about what he said JK? Since seemingly everyone else who replied is a die-hard fan (besides Shae and I) and he can do no wrong in their eyes...

[TheHipHopBillGates]

They started it. LOL

I'd be curious to know...what do u think about what he said JK? Since seemingly everyone else who replied is a die-hard fan (besides Shae and I) and he can do no wrong in their eyes...

I'm far from a diehard, but sometimes people just can't comprehend(ex. Bush getting re-elected) and harsh/alternative measures are needed to induce comprehension or draw attention to the issue, honestly if he did say what he did they way he did would we even be disscussing it, the crass manner still brings the issue to the dinner table, and it's needed this is a very serious issue, if pharma/doctors aren't seriously regulated you're going to have doctors selling out thier morals to pharma to increase profit margins and pumping first graders full of anti-depressant/anti-anxiety cocktails, when the solution is fucking simple, you take the fucking x-box away, you kick your kid out of the house and you tell him to go play outside and don't come back till dinner!!

[ShaE]

his listeners arent mad or offended .. its the people who dont listen and have no clue like you guys that are pretending to be pissed .. besides its radio you have 3 choices.. the power button.. volum bottom and tuner ..theres your solution ..
Nobody's pretending, and I'm not pissed, I find it repugnant.

And some things are just plain crass and offensive, doesn't matter the context. If I insulted your mother, would it matter wtf context I did it in? No, what I said would be offensive regardless of the context, and that's how I feel about the words he used, regardless of his true beliefs or intentions.

[ShaE]

:sobbing people dont want to listen to what he said and only a portion and go ahead and criticize deserve to be offended
Who would want to listen when you start off that way? that's the point.If i came up to you and said, you're a real fuckin moron, a whiny bitch and you really need somebody to tell you what's up, now listen to what I have to say, would you? lol I sure as hell wouldn't, I'd think what an asshole lol

Hostility and apparent ignorance (which is a shame if one isn't really ignorant) does not make people interested in hearing your point of view.

[ShaE]

ok maybe he should have called them ghay or homos like the lefties in this forum like to scream .. lol .. then you be supporting it hahahaha ..
we've gone over this time and time again, which lefties throw around the term homos? give it up jamez.

ghay? who says that here?

[JustLikeHeaven]

we've gone over this time and time again, which lefties throw around the term homos? Give it up jamez.

Ghay? Who says that here?

lmao!!

[metfan85]

Who would want to listen when you start off that way? that's the point.If i came up to you and said, you're a real fuckin moron, a whiny bitch and you really need somebody to tell you what's up, now listen to what I have to say, would you? lol I sure as hell wouldn't, I'd think what an asshole lol

Hostility and apparent ignorance (which is a shame if one isn't really ignorant) does not make people interested in hearing your point of view.

he didnt start off the segment that way. he finished it off that way. there were many points made before that, which clearly showed he was not talking about all children of course media matters wouldnt tell you that.

you didnt hear the show, neither did anyone else whos criticizing, so who are the ignorant ones?

[ShaE]

he didnt start off the segment that way. he finished it off that way. there were many points made before that, which clearly showed he was not talking about all children of course media matters wouldnt tell you that.

you didnt hear the show, neither did anyone else whos criticizing, so who are the ignorant ones?
I'm not ignorant, it's just irrelevant to me. If you can tell me he did indeed say that, I don't care the context, it's an incredibly poor choice of words for a point that IS WORTH MAKING.

When did i dispute the man's knowledge? I even said I think kids are overmedicated and parents are lazy re: treatments and other options. I said my issue was with the quotes i posted which I find to be unnecessarily offensive, regardless of what he was trying to get across.

I'm not ignorant b/c i dont want to listen to his show. I can look at that statement and say I think the harshness of it is over the top and excessive. that's my opinion. i don't care what he said beforehand, he still shouldn't have used language like that. i hate when people try to drive home their point with shock value.

[jameznyhc]

Nobody's pretending, and I'm not pissed, I find it repugnant.

And some things are just plain crass and offensive, doesn't matter the context. If I insulted your mother, would it matter wtf context I did it in? No, what I said would be offensive regardless of the context, and that's how I feel about the words he used, regardless of his true beliefs or intentions.

who cares ..crass and offensive is good sometimes .. like mike said it brings attention to the issue... i was never aware of data mining before so i learned alot .. makes sense now.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

I'm not ignorant, it's just irrelevant to me. If you can tell me he did indeed say that, I don't care the context, it's an incredibly poor choice of words for a point that IS WORTH MAKING.

When did i dispute the man's knowledge? I even said I think kids are overmedicated and parents are lazy re: treatments and other options. I said my issue was with the quotes i posted which I find to be unnecessarily offensive, regardless of what he was trying to get across.

I'm not ignorant b/c i dont want to listen to his show. I can look at that statement and say I think the harshness of it is over the top and excessive. that's my opinion. i don't care what he said beforehand, he still shouldn't have used language like that. i hate when people try to drive home their point with shock value.

Again if there are no offensive comments, there is no post here, and we're not even having the conversation about this topic.

[metfan85]

I'm far from a diehard, but sometimes people just can't comprehend(ex. Bush getting re-elected) and harsh/alternative measures are needed to induce comprehension or draw attention to the issue, honestly if he did say what he did they way he did would we even be disscussing it, the crass manner still brings the issue to the dinner table, and it's needed this is a very serious issue, if pharma/doctors aren't seriously regulated you're going to have doctors selling out thier morals to pharma to increase profit margins and pumping first graders full of anti-depressant/anti-anxiety cocktails, when the solution is fucking simple, you take the fucking x-box away, you kick your kid out of the house and you tell him to go play outside and don't come back till dinner!!

yup and problem as you know its subjective so you have these evil school psychologists who will say a child is autisitc just b/c he has symptoms. the schools get more money and the govt doles out more cash if it looks like its more of an epidemic.. those labals stick with those poor kids forever, even if they grow out of the symptoms.

[metfan85]

I'm not ignorant, it's just irrelevant to me. If you can tell me he did indeed say that, I don't care the context, it's an incredibly poor choice of words for a point that IS WORTH MAKING.

When did i dispute the man's knowledge? I even said I think kids are overmedicated and parents are lazy re: treatments and other options. I said my issue was with the quotes i posted which I find to be unnecessarily offensive, regardless of what he was trying to get across.

I'm not ignorant b/c i dont want to listen to his show. I can look at that statement and say I think the harshness of it is over the top and excessive. that's my opinion. i don't care what he said beforehand, he still shouldn't have used language like that. i hate when people try to drive home their point with shock value.

if its irrelevant why are you talking about? its clearly relevant.

[ShaE]

who cares ..crass and offensive is good sometimes .. like mike said it brings attention to the issue... i was never aware of data mining before so i learned alot .. makes sense now.
Rarely. it's more likely to piss off whomever you're trying to inform than it is to engage them.

bringing attention via shock value and offense is precisely what i can't stand. it's like a child temper tantrum, i have no other way of gettin gyou to pay attention so I'm going to raise hell:rolleyes:

i'm glad you got info from it, but IMO there are other ways of making yourself heard w/o looking like an ass, that are equally effective.

[ShaE]

if its irrelevant why are you talking about? its clearly relevant.
The topic is relevant.
The rest of his show is irrelevant to me in light of the topic. It's not at all relevant to my problem w/ his statement.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

who cares ..crass and offensive is good sometimes .. like mike said it brings attention to the issue... i was never aware of data mining before so i learned alot .. makes sense now.

I'm glad you agree, I'll have the Michael Moore DVD library shipped to you immediately and you'll be able to enjoy crafted and directed bias.

[jameznyhc]

Rarely. it's more likely to piss off whomever you're trying to inform than it is to engage them.

bringing attention via shock value and offense is precisely what i can't stand. it's like a child temper tantrum, i have no other way of gettin gyou to pay attention so I'm going to raise hell:rolleyes:

i'm glad you got info from it, but IMO there are other ways of making yourself heard w/o looking like an ass, that are equally effective.

when you write a book on childrens nutrition ..and what aminos and nutrients help kids as oppossed to pharma companies drugging 8 year old with speed .. then you'll have credibitilty to challenge him

[ShaE]

This makes me wonder, if it's ok to say offensive things about groups of people we tend to protect (kids) in order to get an important point across, I wonder how some of you would tolerate someone speaking about veterans, and their troubles, the way this guy talked about autistic kids.

If somebody made a case that troops are suffering from such levels of PTSD that they're being medicated during active duty, coming home to inadequate care, and too proud to seek it, but threw in remarks about how "most of these guys are just faking it b/c they're cowards& don't wanna go back. they whine about lack of care and expect red carpet treatment, buncha morons, bla bla bla"

and went on saying inflammatory things about them, and their situation, would it still be ok? given the context, the person is just trying to draw attention to the crisis facing our troops today, their method would be alright?

I don't think I could get away w/ posting language like that towards veterans here for ONE SECOND. Nobody would care the context, or about my intention, I'd get raked over the coals for calling the troops names, implying they're whiny, weak, cowardly, you name it.

[metfan85]

i'm glad you got info from it, but IMO there are other ways of making yourself heard w/o looking like an ass, that are equally effective.

there have been countless books.. his own Comfortably Numb is one of them, and none of them have been giving not even a seconds worth of time on any news program

[ShaE]

when you write a book on childrens nutrition ..and what aminos and nutrients help kids as oppossed to pharma companies drugging 8 year old with speed .. then you'll have credibitilty to challenge him
wtf is wrong w/ you, who's challenging his POINT OF VIEW????

My beef is with HOW HE SAID IT, not with his views. I said it would've been perfectly fine for him to say he thinks it's mostly bunk or kids need tough love, or whatever.

Do you read?

[jameznyhc]

I'm glad you agree, I'll have the Michael Moore DVD library shipped to you immediately and you'll be able to enjoy crafted and directed bias.


im glad he did his documentaries ,,it spurred others who disagree with him to go into the real hospitals of cuba and expose how fuckin horrible social medicine is.. i never realized how bad iit was .. so i agree ..free speech should never be trampled on

[ShaE]

there have been countless books.. his own Comfortably Numb is one of them, and none of them have been giving not even a seconds worth of time on any news program
why does he need to rely on tv time to promote his BOOK? you're a do-it yourselfer right? why can't he market his book better? you think every book sold en masse gets tons of tv airtime?

so in light of his failing book sales he reverts to this? cmon. no way.

[jameznyhc]

wtf is wrong w/ you, who's challenging his POINT OF VIEW????

My beef is with HOW HE SAID IT, not with his views. I said it would've been perfectly fine for him to say he thinks it's mostly bunk or kids need tough love, or whatever.

Do you read?


like i said thre only ones who find it repugnent are non listeners like yourself .. so who carfes

[TheHipHopBillGates]

wtf is wrong w/ you, who's challenging his POINT OF VIEW????

My beef is with HOW HE SAID IT, not with his views. I said it would've been perfectly fine for him to say he thinks it's mostly bunk or kids need tough love, or whatever.

Do you read?

Is being crass that wrong? I constantly talk about how I could handle this administrations problems with a sniper rifle, maybe I should be censored too???

[ShaE]

like i said thre only ones who find it repugnent are non listeners like yourself .. so who carfes
to quote you...

LINK PLEASE.

Prove to me me and justlikeheaven are the only ones who care or who find it offensive.
Don't you have stats on that? Didn't think so, that's your assumption, and excuse me if I don't find it iron-clad.

[jameznyhc]

why does he need to rely on tv time to promote his BOOK? you're a do-it yourselfer right? why can't he market his book better? you think every book sold en masse gets tons of tv airtime?

so in light of his failing book sales he reverts to this? cmon. no way.

he hits ny times best seller all the time ..lol .. alex is talking about media bias ..reporting only on one aspect the negative

[jameznyhc]

to quote you...

LINK PLEASE.

Prove to me me and justlikeheaven are the only ones who care or who find it offensive.
Don't you have stats on that? Didn't think so, that's your assumption, and excuse me if I don't find it iron-clad.


Because his audience knows him ..something you libs dont understand is the talk radio audience .. lol thats why lib talk show hosts cant pull more than a 1 share ..

[metfan85]

why does he need to rely on tv time to promote his BOOK? you're a do-it yourselfer right? why can't he market his book better? you think every book sold en masse gets tons of tv airtime?

so in light of his failing book sales he reverts to this? cmon. no way.

comfortably numb isnt his book :yousuck its a book mike recommended i wasnt talking about his books..


but while your on the topic
his own books have all been on the ny times national best sellers list. without tv airtime

[ShaE]

he hits ny times best seller all the time ..lol .. alex is talking about media bias ..reporting only on one aspect the negative
so then WHY the whining about lack of tv coverage for his book! clearly it made no difference in its success then, so what's the problem?

media bias reporting on only the negative? nobody reported on it, he said it ON RADIO, he reported it.
he's got access to voice his views, he's sold his books, and you're saying it's media bias b/c it didn't get enough TV airtime?

christ jamez.

[ShaE]

comfortably numb isnt his book :yousuck its a book mike recommended i wasnt talking about his books..


but while your on the topic
his own books have all been on the ny times national best sellers list. without tv airtime
I assumed they must've been successful but your comment about no tv time threw me off. why would anyone complain in hindsight about tv coverage when your books are raving sucesseses?

why would you feel the need to express yourself this way on radio as if people weren't BUYING your books, reading your points, and responding already? makes no sense. he didn't need more attention to the topic, sounds like he's got quite the platform.
and i knew comfortably numb wasn't his book b/c I've read mike's posts on it before. i wasn't assuming it was his

[jameznyhc]

so then WHY the whining about lack of tv coverage for his book! clearly it made no difference in its success then, so what's the problem?

media bias reporting on only the negative? nobody reported on it, he said it ON RADIO, he reported it.
he's got access to voice his views, he's sold his books, and you're saying it's media bias b/c it didn't get enough TV airtime?

christ jamez.

As alex pointed out its not his book lol .. comfortably numb is non politcal ..it about pharma companies drugging our youth , .. savage recomends it .

Savage allways hit the best seller list he doesnt need tv lol .. he got his own national radio program ..haha

[ShaE]

Because his audience knows him ..something you libs dont understand is the talk radio audience .. lol thats why lib talk show hosts cant pull more than a 1 share ..
how did you just turn your completely unprovable statement into a symptom of my liberal stupidity lol

there is no way you can state that you know all of his listeners were not offended by that, and that it's only people unfamiliar w/ his program that are.

no way you can back that up with any kind of proof, other than, it's your guess "b/c his audience knows him".

that's got nothing to do w/ me jamez, you're passing off opinion as fact, and it's not.

[ShaE]

As alex pointed out its not his book lol .. comfortably numb is non politcal ..it about pharma companies drugging our youth , .. savage recomends it .

Savage allways hit the best seller list he doesnt need tv lol .. he got his own national radio program ..haha
NO SHIT, which brings me to my point, why the loud, harsh, offensive rhetoric on the program if he's got a well established following and booming book sales? you all made it sound like nobody was listening and he beat the drum w/ his brash talk to get the topic on the table. how int he world is he not being heard if his books are consistent bestsellers?

why resort to methods like this if you have no trouble getting your material heard?

[jameznyhc]

how did you just turn your completely unprovable statement into a symptom of my liberal stupidity lol

there is no way you can state that you know all of his listeners were not offended by that, and that it's only people unfamiliar w/ his program that are.

no way you can back that up with any kind of proof, other than, it's your guess "b/c his audience knows him".

that's got nothing to do w/ me jamez, you're passing off opinion as fact, and it's not.


ok we'll find out next rating period ..trust me ..if anything his rating will go up lol

[metfan85]

As alex pointed out its not his book lol .. comfortably numb is non politcal ..it about pharma companies drugging our youth , .. savage recomends it .

Savage allways hit the best seller list he doesnt need tv lol .. he got his own national radio program ..haha

actually hiphopbill recommended it lol

[jameznyhc]

NO SHIT, which brings me to my point, why the loud, harsh, offensive rhetoric on the program if he's got a well established following and booming book sales? you all made it sound like nobody was listening and he beat the drum w/ his brash talk to get the topic on the table. how int he world is he not being heard if his books are consistent bestsellers?

why resort to methods like this if you have no trouble getting your material heard?


never would have been an issue if media matters didnt bring it up ..lol more vintage savage..

SAVAGE: Now, I know many of you are on vacation time. I understand that as well. Most of the country is in this kind of dozy, lazy, sleepy business as usual. I don't blame you. I don't blame you for wanting to pretend America is what it was when your father was in this country. No, it's not your father's America. It is not your father's America at all. The radical Islamists are amongst us. They are in cahoots with the radical leftists. They are vigilant and they work 24/7. The radical left, the homosexual mafia, and the Islamists are all working together to undermine talk radio to begin with.

Now, you have to ask yourself, "Why would the homosexual mafia, in the form of Media Matters, and the Islamists agree that conservative talk radio should be picked off and taken off the air?" You have to answer that question yourself because a) you know that liberalism is a mental disorder. We know that what Islamists will do should they win anywhere. They'll kill homosexuals. They'll take away all of the freedoms of women. They'll impose Shariah law, which means no law whatsoever; it's gangsterism.

[ShaE]

ok we'll find out next rating period ..trust me ..if anything his rating will go up lol
Apparently 1500 of his Mississippi listeners don't "know him very well", & found the remarks offensive, and expressed it.

Don't make baseless claims jamez. You're in no position to know how the man's entire audience felt about his statements & thinking NOBODY got offended other than those that are reading news bits and watching clips is just stupid.



The SuperTalk network of Mississippi announced that it would discontinue airing Savage on seven stations. "We're a conservative network," said Steve Davenport, chief executive of Telesouth Communications, SuperTalk's parent company. "I just didn't see why a person with so much hatred had a place in our network."

Davenport's company received more than 1,500 e-mails expressing outrage from Mississippi listeners over Savage's comments.

During a press conference in Manhattan on Friday, John Gillmore and Evelyn Ain of Autism United and State Sen. Craig Johnson (D–Port Washington) applauded the "necessary" steps taken by the advertisers and radio stations.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-nysava0726,0,5642043.story

[John Kennedy]

They started it. LOL

I'd be curious to know...what do u think about what he said JK? Since seemingly everyone else who replied is a die-hard fan (besides Shae and I) and he can do no wrong in their eyes...

I think that mediamatters chopped up and served a portion of what he said and served it to the media on a silver platter for them to eat up in a biased manner... the guy is a credible authority on nutrition and health and he spoke more on the issue than what this sentence gives.

When in doubt, flip the script and picture how much you would argue the point if Savage was someone you did listen to... let's say Bill Maher said something like this.. would it offend you? no because you get the big picture about what he's saying. Media Matters knew most people wouldn't and this serves their agenda. Let's not trust any "leaning" media outfit at face value. Media Matters openly admits that it's their duty to "counter" conservative media, the way Fox counters liberal media. So without clips and blurbs like this they can't keep their doors open. Take it with a grain of salt and try and understand the big picture.. if we're gonna get offended by words we'll be chasing our tails and chasing worthless news stories all day long.

[jameznyhc]

Apparently 1500 of his Mississippi listeners don't "know him very well", & found the remarks offensive, and expressed it.

Don't make baseless claims jamez. You're in no position to know how the man's entire audience felt about his statements & thinking NOBODY got offended other than those that are reading news bits and watching clips is just stupid.



The SuperTalk network of Mississippi announced that it would discontinue airing Savage on seven stations. "We're a conservative network," said Steve Davenport, chief executive of Telesouth Communications, SuperTalk's parent company. "I just didn't see why a person with so much hatred had a place in our network."

Davenport's company received more than 1,500 e-mails expressing outrage from Mississippi listeners over Savage's comments.

During a press conference in Manhattan on Friday, John Gillmore and Evelyn Ain of Autism United and State Sen. Craig Johnson (D–Port Washington) applauded the "necessary" steps taken by the advertisers and radio stations.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-nysava0726,0,5642043.story

i said fans.. not listeners..lol

[jameznyhc]

I think that mediamatters chopped up and served a portion of what he said and served it to the media on a silver platter for them to eat up in a biased manner... the guy is a credible authority on nutrition and health and he spoke more on the issue than what this sentence gives.

When in doubt, flip the script and picture how much you would argue the point if Savage was someone you did listen to... let's say Bill Maher said something like this.. would it offend you? no because you get the big picture about what he's saying. Media Matters knew most people wouldn't and this serves their agenda. Let's not trust any "leaning" media outfit at face value. Media Matters openly admits that it's their duty to "counter" conservative media, the way Fox counters liberal media. So without clips and blurbs like this they can't keep their doors open. Take it with a grain of salt and try and understand the big picture.. if we're gonna get offended by words we'll be chasing our tails and chasing worthless news stories all day long.

couldnt have summed it up better myself ..

[jameznyhc]

mahrers fands didnt get mad about cheney comment .. they cheered lol

[ShaE]

I'm still curious to see who'd tolerate this type of method in putting the spotlight on veterans' issues. It seems to me, by what I'm reading, it's ok to inflame, and use names like brat, moron, etc., when describing a group, as long as your OVERALL motivation is to help their cause?

The ends justifies the means? So anybody can say stuff like that about our military and get away unscathed, b/c people would look to the "context" and say they're trying to draw attention and help?

[ShaE]

i said fans.. not listeners..lol
Because people frequently listen to shows hosted by those they aren't particularly fond of.


That was a pathetic reach jamez. Fans, listeners, no matter. You can't say who was, or was not, offended.

let's remember here, my argument is that I don't like tactics like that when it comes to things people can't help or are suffering from. maher railing on religion is different. yes, he says crass things, but religion is a CHOICE people make, something they practice. he's no saint, but he tends to point out practices and choices that are stupid to him, not innate things about people that can't be helped.

criticizing kids for an illness they didn't choose to have, a handicap essentially, is on another level for me. no shit the media pounces on certain sensational items either liberal or conservative, for entertainment value. I'm pretty clear on that by now, but IMO there are certain issues that need to be handled more delicately than others. Everyone has a different idea of boundaries and I think this is really pushing it.

It has nothing to do w/ the man's credentials, the success of his books, show, or whether or not I agree with his basic views.

[JustLikeHeaven]

I think that mediamatters chopped up and served a portion of what he said and served it to the media on a silver platter for them to eat up in a biased manner... the guy is a credible authority on nutrition and health and he spoke more on the issue than what this sentence gives.

When in doubt, flip the script and picture how much you would argue the point if Savage was someone you did listen to... let's say Bill Maher said something like this.. would it offend you? no because you get the big picture about what he's saying. Media Matters knew most people wouldn't and this serves their agenda. Let's not trust any "leaning" media outfit at face value. Media Matters openly admits that it's their duty to "counter" conservative media, the way Fox counters liberal media. So without clips and blurbs like this they can't keep their doors open. Take it with a grain of salt and try and understand the big picture.. if we're gonna get offended by words we'll be chasing our tails and chasing worthless news stories all day long.

U do have some good points Mr. Kenneday it's hard to disagree with u - but I do still believe he could have gotten his point across without blatantly offending ppl about such a sensitive issue.

Def can't argue about this anymore tho esp not today I am on 3hrs of sleep and dyinggg lol

[ShaE]

mahrers fands didnt get mad about cheney comment .. they cheered lol
maher actually has a decent amt of his former "fans" following him around the country screaming about 9/11 being an inside job and criticizing his lack of agreement on the topic lol

[jameznyhc]

maher actually has a decent amt of his former "fans" following him around the country screaming about 9/11 being an inside job and criticizing his lack of agreement on the topic lol

theyre not rational ..One thing i agree with Maher on is islam ..he fuckin gets it 100% right!!!

[ShaE]

theyre not rational ..One thing i agree with Maher on is islam ..he fuckin gets it 100% right!!!
They're fanatical. We saw them when we all saw his show in November. I think chris817 took a pic of them lmao

[TheHipHopBillGates]

I'm glad you agree, I'll have the Michael Moore DVD library shipped to you immediately and you'll be able to enjoy crafted and directed bias.


I think that mediamatters chopped up and served a portion of what he said and served it to the media on a silver platter for them to eat up in a biased manner... the guy is a credible authority on nutrition and health and he spoke more on the issue than what this sentence gives.

When in doubt, flip the script and picture how much you would argue the point if Savage was someone you did listen to... let's say Bill Maher said something like this.. would it offend you? no because you get the big picture about what he's saying. Media Matters knew most people wouldn't and this serves their agenda. Let's not trust any "leaning" media outfit at face value. Media Matters openly admits that it's their duty to "counter" conservative media, the way Fox counters liberal media. So without clips and blurbs like this they can't keep their doors open. Take it with a grain of salt and try and understand the big picture.. if we're gonna get offended by words we'll be chasing our tails and chasing worthless news stories all day long.


mahrers fands didnt get mad about cheney comment .. they cheered lol

Exactly, which prompted me to make the top comment.

[jameznyhc]

Exactly, which prompted me to make the top comment.

i know and i agreed moore brought so much attention that others went to cuba and inestigate in the regular hospitals not what moore showed us.. so in reality we all got educated by someone challenging moore ..

I also belkieve maher has aright to what he says ..especially since he on HBO and has no sponser to offend.. if people were really outraged theyd cancel

[TheHipHopBillGates]

i know and i agreed moore brought so much attention that others went to cuba and inestigate in the regular hospitals not what moore showed us.. so in reality we all got educated by someone challenging moore ..

I also belkieve maher has aright to what he says ..especially since he on HBO and has no sponser to offend.. if people were really outraged theyd cancel

Well that's the corporate ownership is the cause of most media bias.

[metfan85]

Well that's the corporate ownership is the cause of most media bias.

:agree thats what makes talk radio and the internet so great...

since its a thread on Savage- from the Savage Manifesto
J. Regarding the media; one, eliminate all foreign ownership of any American media entity. Two, break up overly large conglomerates, like News Corporation.