Savage on islam

[jameznyhc]

SAVAGE: Why are they calling one of the Muslim doctors -- one of the terrorists -- a brilliant neurologist? What has he done that makes him brilliant? Dr. Mohammed Asha came in on asylum. "Oh please, can we come into England? We're oppressed in our home country." Oh sure, come in. Bring your entire brood with you. Bring your, bring your -- I'd like to use the word I'd use in a bar -- bring your wife with you in a burqa.

You know, when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi. That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children. Don't give me this crap that they're doing it out of a sacred ritual or rite. It's not required by the Quran that a woman walk around in a seventh-century drape. She's doing it to spit in your face. She's saying, "You white moron, you, I'm going to kill you if I can." That's how I see it! What do you want me to do, mince words with you? I'm not going to mince words. We're too far gone in this country.

LMAO!!!!!

[metfan85]

SAVAGE: Why are they calling one of the Muslim doctors -- one of the terrorists -- a brilliant neurologist? What has he done that makes him brilliant? Dr. Mohammed Asha came in on asylum. "Oh please, can we come into England? We're oppressed in our home country." Oh sure, come in. Bring your entire brood with you. Bring your, bring your -- I'd like to use the word I'd use in a bar -- bring your wife with you in a burqa.

You know, when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi. That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children. Don't give me this crap that they're doing it out of a sacred ritual or rite. It's not required by the Quran that a woman walk around in a seventh-century drape. She's doing it to spit in your face. She's saying, "You white moron, you, I'm going to kill you if I can." That's how I see it! What do you want me to do, mince words with you? I'm not going to mince words. We're too far gone in this country.

LMAO!!!!!

why would you post that? you see how easily it is for people to take him out context. if your goin to post anything of what he says on radical islam why dont you say its radical islam... here what he says about Islam the real religion....


Sheik Kabbani 11/22/01

Savage: Lets go immediately to an honored guest, a Sheik Kabbani I welcome you to the Savage Nation, welcome welcome welcome.

Sheik: Thank you very much thank you

Savage: Sheik I saw you speak today on Fox news channel and I was so impressed with your words and I don’t want to put words in your mouth, nor do I want to lead you in any way but I just want to introduce you. You head up the Islamic Supreme Council of America is that correct?

Sheik: That’s correct

Savage: And what does that organization, what does that body basically do?

Sheik: That is an educational organization that speaks about anything about Islamic authority and knowledge and expressions and building bridges with the administration and with different offices introducing them the real message of Islam the traditional Islam and the main stream Islam.

Savage: What impressed me was when you were on Fox Sheik you said that there are 1 billion people on planet Earth who ascribe to Islam, but you said that a small number I think you said 500,000 have sort of misinterpreted what Islam is, isn’t that more or less what you said?

Sheik: Nearly that is what I said, that the there are the majority of Muslims around the world the 1 billion and something are peaceful Muslims and following the traditional Islam but there are a very minority that are inventing for their own purposes and their own interests and benefit a new sect of Islam at the beginning of this century, and its becoming more developed today that its was becoming more radical and more violent of suiting the purposes of these terrorists to use it and cutting and pasting from the holy Koran or cutting and pasting the holy of prophets of Allah so…

Savage: Cutting and pasting I like what you mean by that, of course other religions have done the same and will continue to do so, I saw an article Sheik in the Telegraph of London which I read earlier on the Savage Nation, from a person who was a torturer who worked with the Taliban but he said something interesting and I would like to read one sentence, he was talking about the rules called the Taliban and Mullah Omar in particular and he said it’s the first time in Afghanistan’s history that the lower classes are governing and by force, he said that there are no educated people in this administration, totally backward and illiterate, he said and although they call themselves Mullahs they have no idea of Islam, is that a factual statement?

Sheik: He might he might, you know today with all this internet access and with all this different movement around the world that they’ve claiming themselves that they are speaking on behalf of Muslims, now becoming every student or every uneducated person he read a little bit of Koran or read a little bit of Islamic knowledge and he consider himself becoming an authority and he becoming to give verdict and wants to people to follow him and establish for himself a group of people following him.

Savage: He says no where does it say men must have beards or women cannot be educated, in fact the Koran says people must seek education is that correct?

Sheik: The first verse that was revealed to prophet in the holy Koran means educate yourself and read, the first word in holy Koran means read all prophet read learn your people how to read learn them how to write and that’s why prophet Mohammed at the beginning of the time he asked his companion that who knows how to read and write, let him teach the others how to read and write because knowledge is very important and he said seek knowledge even if it is in China means even if its afar where ever the knowledge can exist go after knowledge and education.

Savage: But certainly a modern American Muslim or a modern Muslim in any part of the world would not prohibit women from an education, I think we would agree on that.

Sheik: Its not only modern Muslim in any part of the world or in America, Islam in general does not prohibit but it encourage women to study and the wife of prophet was the one of the best scholar in her time and she was teaching all the men in the time of prophet.

Savage: Well frankly I am relived to be honest with you, I can’t say I am knowledgably about Islam, I am not, but the fact of the matter is we’re facing individuals who’ve declared war on America, who have put the statement that we are doing it for Allah, you certainly wouldn’t agree with that would you?

Sheik: That’s the problem, it’s very easy to say I am doing it for Allah but he is doing it for the devil for Satan not for Allah.

Savage: Sheik, boy do we need to hear your voice more than ever before, I have a request as one American to you.

Sheik: Yeah.

Savage: I think it could go such a long way to soothing peoples fears and uniting the American people of all faiths even people who are atheists, is it possible that as a major figure for Islam in America that a Muslim Manifesto against this kind of intolerance could be written and published somewhere is that in the works?

Sheik: We have published a lot of articles we have published a lot of brochures we have published a lot of paper and many other organizations in the United States have published already before since many many years speaking about the religion of Islam how its peaceful and so on, but unfortunately these things might not be, you know these facilities are not so finance is not so strong so what ever we can reach we have already given but might be many people didn’t get these brochures and flyers about the real.

Savage: No I understand completely so in other words your publications already state this, what I am suggesting and certainly there is no attempt on my part coheres anyone to do it, I think it would be a superb idea for the leading figures of Islam in the world to take a full page ad in America’s major newspapers with such a manifesto, maybe it would go a long way to take some these young children off the path of violence.

Sheik: I agree with you that, I think that’s what now a days there are many authority figures around the world especially from Egypt especially Saudi Arabia and many other countries they took that initiative and they already produced articles and papers that Islam condemn that and they spoke and they wrote it as the highest authority in their countries and it is on the website on many websites and its been circulated in many Arab countries and Muslim countries.

Savage: Well Sheik I won’t keep you longer nor will I press you any further your probably being deluged with requests because you are the voice of sanity and moderation frankly that we desperately need to hear and I know the strain must be awesome on you right now because there aren’t many people speaking out as you are, you’re an expert in Islamic law you hold a law degree I believe in Islamic jurist prudence.

Sheik: Yeah.

Savage: And you are authorized to give Fatwa’s or legal rulings which is also very important, and you have also written reports on the Jihad and things of that nature but you are an American citizen and if we ever needed the words of peace we need them today Sheik and I thank you so much for being a guest on the Savage Nation and I just wanna say Alechem Salam to you.

Sheik: Thank you thank you. Salam Alechem.

[jameznyhc]

i was waiting for a reaction then i was going to follow it up with what you posted :booted... lol thanks

[jameznyhc]

i wanted to show them first the controversial ..that media matters highlights.. then this interview when discussing real islam .. see media matters wont post that interview ..Secondly he was talking about a "terrorist"

[ShaE]

It's not required by the Quran that a woman walk around in a seventh-century drape.
It also doesn't say in the bible that women can't be priests and that priests can't marry, but you don't see the pope allowing any of that do you?

are you serious w/ that? all women in burquas are on the brink of slaughtering anyone in their path like crazed monsters? this man has issues. i'ms orry jamez, that just sounds entirely fucking crazy and paranoid.

[Chris]

dude this is a real bad look for you makes the whole argument really ignorant.

this guy is a fucking putz period the end. Savage is a fag.... nuff said. guys acutely intelligent and broadly stupid.

[ShaE]

he said when he sees a woman in a burqua, he thinks all those things. does a person who thinks that way sound reasonable and level headed to you? he thinks all women in that dress are terrorists, seriously?

nothing funny about that. must be scary being so paranoid all the time

[jameznyhc]

he said when he sees a woman in a burqua, he thinks all those things. does a person who thinks that way sound reasonable and level headed to you? he thinks all women in that dress are terrorists, seriously?

nothing funny about that. must be scary being so paranoid all the time

Again he talking about a terrorist when goin off on this rant ..you focus on that not the interview.. he also gives the biggest moderate muslim group reform islam a voice as well ..so he focuses on moderates that come on his show and agree with him as they do with me that radical fundamentalists do wanna slit our throats lol .. and they want to bring islam into the 21st century..ive posted their site many times.. they agree with me and savage ..who wouldnt thats in their right minds ..

[ShaE]

Again he talking about a terrorist when goin off on this rant ..you focus on that not the interview.. he also gives the biggest moderate muslim group reform islam a voice as well ..so he focuses on moderates that come on his show and agree with him as they do with me that radical fundamentalists do wanna slit our throats lol .. and they want to bring islam into the 21st century..ive posted their site many times.. they agree with me and savage ..who wouldnt thats in their right minds ..
I didn't see where he specified women terrorists when he said "when i see a woman in a burqua",
arey ou sure he didn't mean when he sees a woman in a burqua?? lol

[ShaE]

You know, when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi. That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children. Don't give me this crap that they're doing it out of a sacred ritual or rite.

He says when he sees a woman in a burqua, where does he specify whether or not she's a terrorist? he doesn't. he says women in burqas are nazis in his view, bla bla.:hmmm

[jameznyhc]

I didn't see where he specified women terrorists when he said "when i see a woman in a burqua",
arey ou sure he didn't mean when he sees a woman in a burqua?? lol

absolutly..one of the terrorists was a neurologist he states that .. why else have the sheik on and give more exposure to moderates than the liberal mainstrem media lol..he didnt say anything thats not right .. in iraq this week alone the fundamentalist send 4 girls in burqas they killed over 50 fellow muslims ..google the story

[jameznyhc]

You know, when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi. That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children. Don't give me this crap that they're doing it out of a sacred ritual or rite.

He says when he sees a woman in a burqua, where does he specify whether or not she's a terrorist? he doesn't. he says women in burqas are nazis in his view, bla bla.:hmmm

the very first sentence... he specifically talking about the media praising a terrorist sayin he brilliant .. lol

[ShaE]

the very first sentence... he specifically talking about the media praising a terrorist sayin he brilliant .. lol
i read the first sentence, I 'm quoting this one, which clearly isn't referring to that ONE TERRORIST he mentioned.

he said "when i see a woman in a burqa"

that means a woman in a burqa jamez. not this woman specifically, not one terrorist. he's saying women in burqas= nazis. how do you not see that ?

[ShaE]

He's talking about the MAN doctor, saying why don't you bring your wife, bla bla, then gets onto the topic of her being in a burqa, then says how he sees all women in burqas as nazis.

where do you not understand he's referring to WOMEN IN BURQAS being nazis?


SAVAGE: Why are they calling one of the Muslim doctors -- one of the terrorists -- a brilliant neurologist? What has he done that makes him brilliant? Dr. Mohammed Asha came in on asylum. "Oh please, can we come into England? We're oppressed in our home country." Oh sure, come in. Bring your entire brood with you. Bring your, bring your -- I'd like to use the word I'd use in a bar -- bring your wife with you in a burqa.

You know, when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi

[jameznyhc]

i read the first sentence, I 'm quoting this one, which clearly isn't referring to that ONE TERRORIST he mentioned.

he said "when i see a woman in a burqa"

that means a woman in a burqa jamez. not this woman specifically, not one terrorist. he's saying women in burqas= nazis. how do you not see that ?

Simple because he was talking about terrorism and a terrorist ..he was talking how they go into england then turn on the country .you cant figure that out lol ..i didnt hear him say "all women in burqas" ..did you??lol m

[JustLikeHeaven]

absolutly..one of the terrorists was a neurologist he states that .. why else have the sheik on and give more exposure to moderates than the liberal mainstrem media lol..he didnt say anything thats not right .. in iraq this week alone the fundamentalist send 4 girls in burqas they killed over 50 fellow muslims ..google the story

aren't u the one who said u see women in Queens in burqas...so are they Nazis as well ? Lol

[jameznyhc]

he's talking about TERRORISTS migrating to england lol

[jameznyhc]

aren't u the one who said u see women in Queens in burqas...so are they Nazis as well ? Lol

depends ..to they follow wahhabism?? if yes theyre just as bad as nazis

[sexxncandie]

ugh

[Chris]

if this guy savage died. the world would sleep well at night no problems... one more idiot gone.

[jameznyhc]

if this guy savage died. the world would sleep well at night no problems... one more idiot gone.

i thin iranian president way more dangerous lol

[ShaE]

Simple because he was talking about terrorism and a terrorist ..he was talking how they go into england then turn on the country .you cant figure that out lol ..i didnt hear him say "all women in burqas" ..did you??lol m
he said "when i see A WOMAN in A BURQA"

he didnt' specify THAT woman, THIS woman, A WOMAN wearing a burqa jamez.

work on the english.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Jamez u do realize this totally contradicts what u said about burqas before, when u kept insisting that u see women in your hood wearing them and that the woman in the Walmart story must have been wearing one...

[Chris]

i thin iranian president way more dangerous lol

actually i don't

i think its this mental state of america that is THE most dangerous.

You know what your getting with IRan there is no black and white.

People like this change their tune to fit whatever sensational topic so they can NOT break a story, rather
get their own sagging rattings up. saggin ass bitches. this old way is on the way out, bigotry and all the moronic ness.
how can you say everyone in a burqa is a terrorist.
I guess every republican is a liar who has a 2 inch penis.. i mean if the shoe fits. ;-)

[jameznyhc]

actual[QUOTE]ly i don't

i think its this mental state of america that is THE most dangerous.

thats a joke..


You know what your getting with IRan there is no black and white.

exactly my point


People like this change their tune to fit whatever sensational topic so they can NOT break a story, rather
get their own sagging rattings up. saggin ass bitches. this old way is on the way out, bigotry and all the moronic ness.
how can you say everyone in a burqa is a terrorist.
I guess every republican is a liar who has a 2 inch penis.. i mean if the shoe fits. ;-)[/

well he could be cheerleader like rush who crushes him in the ratings.. id rather listen to someone that criticizes the repubs as well as praises there good stuff.. if he wanted better rating he be more mainstream

[jameznyhc]

Jamez u do realize this totally contradicts what u said about burqas before, when u kept insisting that u see women in your hood wearing them and that the woman in the Walmart story must have been wearing one...

ive seen both ..all black eys slit taliban style.. and your more mainstream ones.. im guessing as id di about the woman at walmart wearing a taliban style burqa cause the guy said dont take my money ..or is this a stck up ..lol some shit like that ..

[just b u]

actually i don't

i think its this mental state of america that is THE most dangerous.

You know what your getting with IRan there is no black and white.

People like this change their tune to fit whatever sensational topic so they can NOT break a story, rather
get their own sagging rattings up. saggin ass bitches. this old way is on the way out, bigotry and all the moronic ness.
how can you say everyone in a burqa is a terrorist.
I guess every republican is a liar who has a 2 inch penis.. i mean if the shoe fits. ;-)
pple who say this, like you, really worry me. You will not wake up until another terrorist attack hits us, PERIOD. Then you'll realize who you really should worry about.

[ShaE]

pple who say this, like you, really worry me. You will not wake up until another terrorist attack hits us, PERIOD. Then you'll realize who you really should worry about.
so you don't think that the attitude of americans is a problem at all? you don't think we have put ourselves in danger by our own actions in ANY WAY AT ALL?

Nobody is denying terrorists are a threat, but you're convinced we've done nothing to make ourselves MORE unsafe? wow, that scares the shit out of me.

[ShaE]

there will always be terrorists, and always be threats, so what I'm worried about is how we're protecting ourselves against them.

that's what we really need to worry about.you're never going to eradicate the threat, so if you want to waste your time trying to eliminate every terrorist alive, good luck.

the rest of us will worry about how to strengthen our protection and educate ourselves so as not to MAKE MATTERS WORSE- because you can make them worse.

like, oh, say, invading the wrong country while the real threat worsens. have a look at afghanistan, taliban is FULL FORCE. i hope you all sleep well at night.

[Studz]

so you don't think that the attitude of americans is a problem at all? you don't think we have put ourselves in danger by our own actions in ANY WAY AT ALL?

Nobody is denying terrorists are a threat, but you're convinced we've done nothing to make ourselves MORE unsafe? wow, that scares the shit out of me.

Come on Shae didnt you know all muslims secretly hate us and want to kill us.


DUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Defekted]

LMAO!!!!!

Sorry the comedy of your qoute was lost in the translation (from right wing lunatic talk to mainstream lingo)

Seems to me to be typical tasteless talk from a tasteless host.

Metfan had to even call you out on the idiotic thread that only harms your defense of this guy.

To me it aint a thang, cause i already know the guy is a douche. But for the people dont know whats up, this was very helpful, along with the kids are retards comments of last week...... guy is on a roll.

But of course having said that "the context" was something else. Sure thanks.

[ShaE]

Come on Shae didnt you know all muslims secretly hate us and want to kill us.


DUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i have bad dreams about it, don't let them get me lol

[just b u]

so you don't think that the attitude of americans is a problem at all? you don't think we have put ourselves in danger by our own actions in ANY WAY AT ALL?

Nobody is denying terrorists are a threat, but you're convinced we've done nothing to make ourselves MORE unsafe? wow, that scares the shit out of me.
why do you think our actions matter. I'm not sure if we're on the same page here though. It doenst matter how much we helped out Israel, or that we went into Iraq, even if we wouldnt have done so they would still attack us. Just the same as them killing Hindu pple and Christians. So no, i disagree with you and still dont understand why you hate this country so much, then why do you live here?!?!

Come on Shae didnt you know all muslims secretly hate us and want to kill us.


DUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Who said that? Sorry that you're so paranoid, and stop jumping to conclusions.

[Gspot555]

if this guy savage died. The world would sleep well at night no problems... One more idiot gone.

lol

[JustLikeHeaven]

why do you think our actions matter. I'm not sure if we're on the same page here though. It doenst matter how much we helped out Israel, or that we went into Iraq, even if we wouldnt have done so they would still attack us. Just the same as them killing Hindu pple and Christians. So no, i disagree with you and still dont understand why you hate this country so much, then why do you live here?!?!

Who said that? Sorry that you're so paranoid, and stop jumping to conclusions.

Wow it's hilarious how the second someone acknowledges that perhaps our attitudes, and particularly our horrendous foreign policy might have something to do with the perception/hatred that other nations have of us - automatically u label them unpatriotic and say that they "hate this country."

LMAO. So typical. Unpatriotic...terrorist sympathizer...what a f*cken joke!!!!

[just b u]

it's not a joke. pple who think that US citizens are th biggest danger(which is a joke unto itself lolol) drag this country down.

[JustLikeHeaven]

why do you think our actions matter. I'm not sure if we're on the same page here though. It doenst matter how much we helped out Israel, or that we went into Iraq, even if we wouldnt have done so they would still attack us. Just the same as them killing Hindu pple and Christians. So no, i disagree with you and still dont understand why you hate this country so much, then why do you live here?!?!

Who said that? Sorry that you're so paranoid, and stop jumping to conclusions.

Ohhh how ironic...LOL!

[just b u]

why is that ironic, there are peaceful, non radical muslims out there. no one is disputing that. the problem is that the radical ones are taking control and brainwashing pple. I'm just repeating myself here :wallbang

[jameznyhc]

Wow it's hilarious how the second someone acknowledges that perhaps our attitudes, and particularly our horrendous foreign policy might have something to do with the perception/hatred that other nations have of us - automatically u label them unpatriotic and say that they "hate this country."

LMAO. So typical. Unpatriotic...terrorist sympathizer...what a f*cken joke!!!!

horrendous foreign policy ..such as sending palestine more money than every middle eastern country combined?? the way we help and support sinora govt in lebanon? .. how about helping the afghannis kick russias ass in the 80;s?? ..talk about ungrateful ruthless blood loving psychopaths giving parades for fuckin kid killers .. give me a break .. we also saved kuwait from sadaam ..and we liberated muslim in bosnia .. NOW WHAT THE FUCK HAVE THEY DONE FOR US ..besides declare war on us and our culture ..

[Chris]

pple who say this, like you, really worry me. You will not wake up until another terrorist attack hits us, PERIOD. Then you'll realize who you really should worry about.

people like you make me laught.

you got your head so fucking far up your ass you can't even see the light.

your bigotry and lack of reality scares me most. your insesant hatred for people whom you don't iknow just becuase they believe differently than you.

slaughter everyone... sounds almost like nazi germany to me.. hmmm how we emulate what we hate as people... truth is hatred of others is truley hatred of yourself.

[jameznyhc]

people like you make me laught.

you got your head so fucking far up your ass you can't even see the light.

your bigotry and lack of reality scares me most. your insesant hatred for people whom you don't iknow just becuase they believe differently than you.

slaughter everyone... sounds almost like nazi germany to me.. hmmm how we emulate what we hate as people... truth is hatred of others is truley hatred of yourself.

chris you have absolutly no understanding of radical islam .. 9/11 .. its not what they just do to us americans .. its what they do to their own people and its immoral and disgusting to imprison, oppress, and murder people in the name of god .. tell us chris what happens to female adulterers ..see this is why liberalism is a mental disorder .. because the muslims that go on savages show would laugh at you ..they agree with us how sick it is .. celebration of death, martyrdom, brainwashing fuckin children .. lol u have no idea.. you wanna learn something fun google the hamas mickey mouse no joke .. cartoon charachter teaching children to hate and murder

[jameznyhc]

this week alone ..4 female bombers sent out in iraq.. there were attacks in turkey & india this week as well .. they been blowin us up since 83 lol 20 years before bush

[just b u]

people like you make me laught.

you got your head so fucking far up your ass you can't even see the light.

your bigotry and lack of reality scares me most. your insesant hatred for people whom you don't iknow just becuase they believe differently than you.

slaughter everyone... sounds almost like nazi germany to me.. hmmm how we emulate what we hate as people... truth is hatred of others is truley hatred of yourself.
:yourcrazythat's all i have to say to you.

[JustLikeHeaven]

horrendous foreign policy ..such as sending palestine more money than every middle eastern country combined?? the way we help and support sinora govt in lebanon? .. how about helping the afghannis kick russias ass in the 80;s?? ..talk about ungrateful ruthless blood loving psychopaths giving parades for fuckin kid killers .. give me a break .. we also saved kuwait from sadaam ..and we liberated muslim in bosnia .. NOW WHAT THE FUCK HAVE THEY DONE FOR US ..besides declare war on us and our culture ..

Ur bringin up shit from the 80's lol? I'm talking about under our current administration - worst foreign policy EVER not even an entertainment of thought on diplomacy.

[JustLikeHeaven]

chris you have absolutly no understanding of radical islam .. 9/11 .. its not what they just do to us americans .. its what they do to their own people and its immoral and disgusting to imprison, oppress, and murder people in the name of god .. tell us chris what happens to female adulterers ..see this is why liberalism is a mental disorder .. because the muslims that go on savages show would laugh at you ..they agree with us how sick it is .. celebration of death, martyrdom, brainwashing fuckin children .. lol u have no idea.. you wanna learn something fun google the hamas mickey mouse no joke .. cartoon charachter teaching children to hate and murder

Oh please - I don't even believe this BS of u supporting "moderate Muslims" anymore because you've made plenty of comments as of late to display your true feelings on the religion as a whole - not just the radical revision of it.

[Chris]

chris you have absolutly no understanding of radical islam .. 9/11 .. its not what they just do to us americans .. its what they do to their own people and its immoral and disgusting to imprison, oppress, and murder people in the name of god .. tell us chris what happens to female adulterers ..see this is why liberalism is a mental disorder .. because the muslims that go on savages show would laugh at you ..they agree with us how sick it is .. celebration of death, martyrdom, brainwashing fuckin children .. lol u have no idea.. you wanna learn something fun google the hamas mickey mouse no joke .. cartoon charachter teaching children to hate and murder

blahh blah blah i have no understanding.

i understand this....
terrorism has been around before we were both born. THis is NOT new this is not a new concept its not something that all of a sudden happend in 01. WE the amercan people like we always are usually late with things. We just had our first real terrorist attack, the world has been having these for decades. so we got a taste of it, and NOW all of a sudden ieverything is about terrorism. COme on people wake up you can't see a fucking marketing campaign in front of your eyes? Are you guys that scared about life. I don't live my life in fear. but Just Be Jew does def. She would rather see the death of all the middle east so her and her family can sleep better at night. I call a devil a devil be it red white, jew or arab.

I doubt theres a person on this forum thats been affected more than me my family and friends from 9/11. I worked 1 BLOCK AWAY WHEN IT HAPPNED< my best frind was in the buildings, my family worked in their, my fiance worked in the WTC> don't fucking tell me i don't know what im talking about.

fact is if we lived in a lawless country how many of you would want to kill others women and children?

heres another genuine fact.
Fundementalist ISLAM IS NOT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF ISLAM ITS NOT THE MAJORITY ITS NOT EVEN THE FUCKIN MINORITY> its a select group of nuts. NOT THE WHOLE. thje whole should NOT be punished for what some do. IF that was the case I would hold every single JEW accountable for the mess our country has been in since we fucking keep feeding Isreal everything they need for decades. UMMMM sorry isreal your on your own.... but that won't happen. its not MY fault that isreal wants to claim lay to land thats not theirs right smack dab in the middle of hostile terrority. fight your own fucking battles stop thikning the world owes you something cause of the holocaust.

Fact is that you me or anyone in this country is NOT stopping terrorism from bombing someone. its a known fact, you guys do a google search on the word MARTYRDOM... and get back to me.

[just b u]

blahh blah blah i have no understanding.

i understand this....
terrorism has been around before we were both born. THis is NOT new this is not a new concept its not something that all of a sudden happend in 01. WE the amercan people like we always are usually late with things. We just had our first real terrorist attack, the world has been having these for decades. so we got a taste of it, and NOW all of a sudden ieverything is about terrorism. COme on people wake up you can't see a fucking marketing campaign in front of your eyes? Are you guys that scared about life. I don't live my life in fear. but Just Be Jew does def. She would rather see the death of all the middle east so her and her family can sleep better at night. I call a devil a devil be it red white, jew or arab.

I doubt theres a person on this forum thats been affected more than me my family and friends from 9/11. I worked 1 BLOCK AWAY WHEN IT HAPPNED< my best frind was in the buildings, my family worked in their, my fiance worked in the WTC> don't fucking tell me i don't know what im talking about.

fact is if we lived in a lawless country how many of you would want to kill others women and children?

heres another genuine fact.
Fundementalist ISLAM IS NOT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF ISLAM ITS NOT THE MAJORITY ITS NOT EVEN THE FUCKIN MINORITY> its a select group of nuts. NOT THE WHOLE. thje whole should NOT be punished for what some do. IF that was the case I would hold every single JEW accountable for the mess our country has been in since we fucking keep feeding Isreal everything they need for decades. UMMMM sorry isreal your on your own.... but that won't happen. its not MY fault that isreal wants to claim lay to land thats not theirs right smack dab in the middle of hostile terrority. fight your own fucking battles stop thikning the world owes you something cause of the holocaust.

Fact is that you me or anyone in this country is NOT stopping terrorism from bombing someone. its a known fact, you guys do a google search on the word MARTYRDOM... and get back to me.
no you ingoranass we want peace. you're the ignorant one, an anti semite who's crawling out of the closet. stop lying and giving the excuse of you having jewish friends. when I hear such an excuse its a clear sign of intolerance for that group of pple.

I will not go into why US needs Israel in the midst of crazy fanatic rulers in that part of the world, it's been said and done. but dont you fuckin jump to conclusions about my family and how they think you anti semite. all we want is peace but we unlike your blind ass know who we're dealing with.

[jameznyhc]

Ur bringin up shit from the 80's lol? I'm talking about under our current administration - worst foreign policy EVER not even an entertainment of thought on diplomacy.

ask an afghanni woman who has the right to vote if preferred the taliban ..ask a kurd if he is relieved his family wont be tortured to death .. um bosnia was 90s ..and we still send palestine more money than all muslim countries combined.. we let muslims come here ..practice their religion live a life of peace.. same cant be said for christians and jews abroad..besides why wouldnt muslims be happy we stopped saddams genocide with the muslim shia.. also the reason we are there now was protecting Kuwait .. lol .. thats the roots of this war

[JustLikeHeaven]

ask an afghanni woman who has the right to vote if preferred the taliban ..ask a kurd if he is relieved his family wont be tortured to death .. um bosnia was 90s ..and we still send palestine more money than all muslim countries combined.. we let muslims come here ..practice their religion live a life of peace.. same cant be said for christians and jews abroad..besides why wouldnt muslims be happy we stopped saddams genocide with the muslim shia.. also the reason we are there now was protecting Kuwait .. lol .. thats the roots of this war

oh man...no words for this :disgusted

How about we ask the families of all of the Iraqi citizens who have been killed...Yea - I'm sure they'd say "getting rid of Sadaam" and "protecting Kuwait" was worth their loss.

[just b u]

ask an afghanni woman who has the right to vote if preferred the taliban ..ask a kurd if he is relieved his family wont be tortured to death .. um bosnia was 90s ..and we still send palestine more money than all muslim countries combined.. we let muslims come here ..practice their religion live a life of peace.. same cant be said for christians and jews abroad..besides why wouldnt muslims be happy we stopped saddams genocide with the muslim shia.. also the reason we are there now was protecting Kuwait .. lol .. thats the roots of this war
and what do the palestinians do with that money may i ask? cause i've seen their settlements, and it def didnt go into that lol

[jameznyhc]

Oh please - I don't even believe this BS of u supporting "moderate Muslims" anymore because you've made plenty of comments as of late to display your true feelings on the religion as a whole - not just the radical revision of it.

where were the protests about that disgusting child killer all i saw were people screaming you tell me 99% are moderate ..yet 99% are enslaved .. most muslim countrys have sharia law.. whats so moderate is my question .. and how on earth do you not agree with me ?? makes me think you support them or you'd be more outspoken .. such as iam .. i dont judge by race .. my irish catholic and when the ira used terror we spoke out against it held protests ..made them stop ..because they were acting like subhuman savages my people acting like a disgrace ..but because of moderate irish people they were forced to change or they would be 100% rejected

[jameznyhc]

oh man...no words for this :disgusted

How about we ask the families of all of the Iraqi citizens who have been killed...Yea - I'm sure they'd say "getting rid of Sadaam" and "protecting Kuwait" was worth their loss.

still doesnt come close to the tortore and horrific abuses he laid upon his people like most muslim countrys do ..the difference with sadaam was you didnt come out .. wanna explain what "sadaams cubs " were about that was his child army taught to torture and kill other children ..ones who rejected were tortured .. but our media blacks this out ..and you pretend to care about an old man hit by a car ...yyyyyyyeeeaaahhhhh oooooookkkkkkkk

[jameznyhc]

and what do the palestinians do with that money may i ask? cause i've seen their settlements, and it def didnt go into that lol

well they destroyed burned and looted the greenhouses and vegetation .. also what was up with the fatah vs hamas civil war .. you see tanya its what they do to their own people that horrify me .. most pro western muslims speak out about that .. not try to discredit one who do .. seems like every muslim in this forum hates amir taheri( middleeastern iranian columinist i post alot of his articles) .. so its confusing as shit .. lol

[jameznyhc]

Oh please - I don't even believe this BS of u supporting "moderate Muslims" anymore because you've made plenty of comments as of late to display your true feelings on the religion as a whole - not just the radical revision of it.

lol you think one is not capable of despising funadmentalists murders while supporting rational pro western muslims?? lol why are you so defensive about these lunatics?

[JustLikeHeaven]

still doesnt come close to the tortore and horrific abuses he laid upon his people like most muslim countrys do ..the difference with sadaam was you didnt come out .. wanna explain what "sadaams cubs " were about that was his child army taught to torture and kill other children ..ones who rejected were tortured .. but our media blacks this out ..and you pretend to care about an old man hit by a car ...yyyyyyyeeeaaahhhhh oooooookkkkkkkk

WHO are u to determine what I do and don't care about? U keep saying "pretend to be pissed, pretend to care about" - wtf do u think I need to prove to u or anyone else on here.

And funny how u say "99% are moderate, yet 99% are enslaved" u just answered your own ?
U act as if it is so easy for these people to be outspoken and rebel against the fundamentalists who CLEARLY can easily control them. U act as if u aren't aware of the perishable conditions of the types of regions where radical Islam is rampant and most of their recruitment is done - it's bc ppl in that environment are easy prey for them, they know that these people have no propitious future ahead of them so they can be easily manipulated and influenced by their radical values.

[jameznyhc]

blahh blah blah i have no understanding.

i understand this....
terrorism has been around before we were both born. THis is NOT new this is not a new concept its not something that all of a sudden happend in 01. WE the amercan people like we always are usually late with things. We just had our first real terrorist attack, the world has been having these for decades. so we got a taste of it, and NOW all of a sudden ieverything is about terrorism. COme on people wake up you can't see a fucking marketing campaign in front of your eyes? Are you guys that scared about life. I don't live my life in fear. but Just Be Jew does def. She would rather see the death of all the middle east so her and her family can sleep better at night. I call a devil a devil be it red white, jew or arab.

I doubt theres a person on this forum thats been affected more than me my family and friends from 9/11. I worked 1 BLOCK AWAY WHEN IT HAPPNED< my best frind was in the buildings, my family worked in their, my fiance worked in the WTC> don't fucking tell me i don't know what im talking about.

fact is if we lived in a lawless country how many of you would want to kill others women and children?

heres another genuine fact.
Fundementalist ISLAM IS NOT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF ISLAM ITS NOT THE MAJORITY ITS NOT EVEN THE FUCKIN MINORITY> its a select group of nuts. NOT THE WHOLE. thje whole should NOT be punished for what some do. IF that was the case I would hold every single JEW accountable for the mess our country has been in since we fucking keep feeding Isreal everything they need for decades. UMMMM sorry isreal your on your own.... but that won't happen. its not MY fault that isreal wants to claim lay to land thats not theirs right smack dab in the middle of hostile terrority. fight your own fucking battles stop thikning the world owes you something cause of the holocaust.

Fact is that you me or anyone in this country is NOT stopping terrorism from bombing someone. its a known fact, you guys do a google search on the word MARTYRDOM... and get back to me.

ill wrap it up like this ..look at how israel treats their own people .. how they treat their women ..and how they treat their enemies .. with that this thread is ova

[JustLikeHeaven]

lol you think one is not capable of despising funadmentalists murders while supporting rational pro western muslims?? lol why are you so defensive about these lunatics?

for the 100th time stop putting words in my mouth
HOW am I defending the lunatics?? I said that I DON'T BELIVE YOU when u claim to be supportive of moderate Muslims - bc every so often u slip up and make it perfectly evident that you think this way about ALL Muslims - not just the fundamentalists.

[jameznyhc]

WHO are u to determine what I do and don't care about? U keep saying "pretend to be pissed, pretend to care about" - wtf do u think I need to prove to u or anyone else on here.

And funny how u say "99% are moderate, yet 99% are enslaved" u just answered your own ?
U act as if it is so easy for these people to be outspoken and rebel against the fundamentalists who CLEARLY can easily control them. U act as if u aren't aware of the perishable conditions of the types of regions where radical Islam is rampant and most of their recruitment is done - it's bc ppl in that environment are easy prey for them, they know that these people have no propitious future ahead of them so they can be easily manipulated and influenced by their radical values.

i dont understand how 1% controls 99% ... unless the people are willing to be oppressed .. i know its not easy for them why the fuck you think i just wanna see dead muslims??.. look last point ..i beleive the only way to destroy radical islam is and ideological war by the people vs the radicals .. see in ireland it was easier for us because when we (moderates preached against the ira terrror) without fear of disappearing, being tortured etc.. the only way radical islam gonna die is by revolution ..until then we just gotta kill and contain as many as possible until the muslim people are willing to take back their lives and freedoms.. there was a time this fundamenatlists shit was not preached and everyone lived in peace.. at that time the middle east was progressive not regressive ...im done ..i just want you to know hate or race has nothing to do with my feelings .. i call my own savages when they killed innocent decent british citizens ..it fuckin outraged me

[jameznyhc]

for the 100th time stop putting words in my mouth
HOW am I defending the lunatics?? I said that I DON'T BELIVE YOU when u claim to be supportive of moderate Muslims - bc every so often u slip up and make it perfectly evident that you think this way about ALL Muslims - not just the fundamentalists.

why one cant despise killers but respect peaceful normal people?? lol thats insanity where does that thinking come from?

[JustLikeHeaven]

why one cant despise killers but respect peaceful normal people?? lol thats insanity where does that thinking come from?

U tell me

I am just saying that u talk about me "pretending" to be outraged by what happ to that old man, which I have no clue wtf u would say that...and yet I feel that YOU'RE the one who pretends to care about moderate Muslims when in fact u've made several comments that would quickly discredit that.

[jameznyhc]

U tell me

I am just saying that u talk about me "pretending" to be outraged by what happ to that old man, which I have no clue wtf u would say that...and yet I feel that YOU'RE the one who pretends to care about moderate Muslims when in fact u've made several comments that would quickly discredit that.

too bad ya feel that way ..

[ShaE]

So no, i disagree with you and still dont understand why you hate this country so much, then why do you live here?!?!

.
are you serious right now?
I'm fucking offended tanya. really seriously offended by you. you know me WAY too well to even entertain the notion I HATE MY COUNTRY. jamez is one thing, you are another.

i would expect better from you.

i'm sorry , i didn't know that loving your country meant backing every single thing it does , never opposing policy, and never speaking up when you think mistakes are being made that COST AMERICANS LIVES!!

alright, i'll show my real love of country. shut my mouth and let horrible things happen b/c I'm forbidden to talk b/c others can't understand YOU FIGHT POLICY when it's harming your country. when you love something, do you sit idly by when you see aspects of it self destructing? i guess you do.



DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC, ever read that? understand it? read this and educate yourself.
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A19770

so disappointed in you.

[ShaE]

Wow it's hilarious how the second someone acknowledges that perhaps our attitudes, and particularly our horrendous foreign policy might have something to do with the perception/hatred that other nations have of us - automatically u label them unpatriotic and say that they "hate this country."

LMAO. So typical. Unpatriotic...terrorist sympathizer...what a f*cken joke!!!!
it made me physically ill to read that narrow minded garbage.

omg YOU CRITICIZED AMERICA, YOU SAID WE NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR MISTAKES!! YOU HATE AMERICA!

i guess loving america means i deny any wrongdoing of any american, i say we do EVERYTHING right, and claim we never have, and never will make any mistakes. essentially, shove my head up my ass and accountability with it.

go us :rolleyes:

[ShaE]

it's not a joke. pple who think that US citizens are th biggest danger(which is a joke unto itself lolol) drag this country down.
no, you do, b/c you can't grasp owning up to YOUR mistakes and addressing them is the bravest, most patriotic thing you can do.

if you wanna feel like kissing ass is patriotic and denial is american. you're seriously confused.

[ShaE]

I suppose you understand patriotism and love of country better than all these insignificant americans right?

Why don't you try Teddy Roosevelt on for size? I guess he really brought america down right??

Theodore Roosevelt (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001999.html):

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)


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The peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country -- when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right."


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My Country! When right keep it right; when wrong, set it right!


Daniel Webster (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001963.html):

I was born an American; I will live an American; I shall die an American! July 1850 speech



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We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.


Emma Goldman (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/000453.html):

Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.


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Love of country is like love of woman -- he loves her best who seeks to bestow on her the highest good.



George Bernard Shaw (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/000525.html):

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.


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George William Curtis (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001392.html):

A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle and patriotism is loyalty to that principle.



H. L. Mencken (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001555.html):

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.


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Henry Steele Commager (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/000167.html):

Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.


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Howard Thurman (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/002312.html):

During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism.


James Baldwin (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001390.html):

I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.


Jane Addams (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/003179.html):

Unless our conception of patriotism is progressive, it cannot hope to embody the real affection and the real interest of the nation.


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Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character.






Sydney J. Harris (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/000374.html):

Patriotism is proud of a country's virtues and eager to correct its deficiencies; it also acknowledges the legitimate patriotism of other countries, with their own specific virtues. The pride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country's virtues and denies its deficiencies, while it is contemptuous toward the virtues of other countries. It wants to be, and proclaims itself to be, "the greatest," but greatness is not required of a country; only goodness is.




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Patriotism does not oblige us to acquiesce in the destruction of liberty. Patriotism obliges us to question it, at least. [source (http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/19/kaminer-w.html)]


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Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.


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[jameznyhc]

I never heard of a patriot who wished our vice president was murdered by al qaeda in afghanistan .. so please your a total traitor ..its one thing to disagree but when you root for the enemy :booted:booted ..we all know your full of shit ..why else would you be so defensive lol..and none of those people you quoted would ever hope for such a thing ..only one that comes to kmind is benedict arnold

[ShaE]

I never heard of a patriot who wished our vice president was murdered by al qaeda in afghanistan .. so please your a total traitor ..its one thing to disagree but when you root for the enemy :booted:booted ..we all know your full of shit ..why else would you be so defensive lol..and none of those people you quoted would ever hope for such a thing ..only one that comes to kmind is benedict arnold
now i'm a traitor?

keep testing me jamez. I'm going to bite my tongue here and be the bigger person.

i'm so defensive b/c I know tanya personally, and she knows better than to think I feel this way. so I am PERSONALLY offended to have been told this by someone I'd call my friend.

mind your business.

[jameznyhc]

now i'm a traitor?

keep testing me jamez. I'm going to bite my tongue here and be the bigger person.

i'm so defensive b/c I know tanya personally, and she knows better than to think I feel this way. so I am PERSONALLY offended to have been told this by someone I'd call my friend.

mind your business.

just stating the obvious ..when you root for the enemy to kill our vice president is not patriotic at all ..its totally anti american left wing looney hate..shes dead right

[ShaE]

just stating the obvious ..when you root for the enemy to kill our vice president is not patriotic at all ..its totally anti american left wing looney hate..shes dead right


yea, b/c you know how i feel about my country better than i do.
and so does she. it's obvious. entertain this notion- I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT MY COUNTRY.

get a clue jamez. i dont hate america, or americans, i hate cheney and bush and I'd still wish death on them.

i dont give a shit what you say about my views, but she knows better, and that's my beef w/ her. I don't care about what random people think of my views, but she disappoints me with this. end of story.

[jameznyhc]

yea, b/c you know how i feel about my country better than i do.
and so does she. it's obvious. entertain this notion- I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT MY COUNTRY.

get a clue jamez. i dont hate america, or americans, i hate cheney and bush and I'd still wish death on them.

i dont give a shit what you say about my views, but she knows better, and that's my beef w/ her. I don't care about what random people think of my views, but she disappoints me with this. end of story.

gotcha ..anyone rootuing for al qaeda to kill our guys is a disgrace..until you realize thats unpatriotic theres no hope for you ..your consumed with hatred ..lol imagine if right wingers wished death on obama??

[ShaE]

gotcha ..anyone rootuing for al qaeda to kill our guys is a disgrace..until you realize thats unpatriotic theres no hope for you ..your consumed with hatred ..lol imagine if right wingers wished death on obama??
got nothing. this is none of your business, I don't know you, I know her, and my problem is what she said.

I dont expect very much of you, I expect more of her. butt out.

i said i wish death on them, b/c better them than the thousands of our men they got killed.
they are responsible for those deaths due to negligence and for that i wouldn't care if they got killed by al qaeda or by an american.

stick that in your pipe & smoke it.

obama's not a murderer. stupid question.

[ShaE]

gotcha ..anyone rootuing for al qaeda to kill our guys is a disgrace..until you realize thats unpatriotic theres no hope for you ..your consumed with hatred ..lol imagine if right wingers wished death on obama??
to me a president that throws away the lives of his soldiers, and sells out his country , + the people that support him, ARE A DISGRACE.

i'm done with you.

[JustLikeHeaven]

:pullhair

[just b u]

are you serious right now?
I'm fucking offended tanya. really seriously offended by you. you know me WAY too well to even entertain the notion I HATE MY COUNTRY. jamez is one thing, you are another.

i would expect better from you.

i'm sorry , i didn't know that loving your country meant backing every single thing it does , never opposing policy, and never speaking up when you think mistakes are being made that COST AMERICANS LIVES!!

alright, i'll show my real love of country. shut my mouth and let horrible things happen b/c I'm forbidden to talk b/c others can't understand YOU FIGHT POLICY when it's harming your country. when you love something, do you sit idly by when you see aspects of it self destructing? i guess you do.



DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC, ever read that? understand it? read this and educate yourself.
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A19770

so disappointed in you.
sorry i didnt address this sooner. I just got really irate with Chris and thought it best to cool off.

I just couldnt believe that anyone can back up Chris with his absurd views. How can anyone say that the BIGGEST danger are americans, that we as a nation are worse than terrorist, taht we are the biggest problem. Every nation makes mistakes, no one has a clean slate. This does not mean taht we go bashing our country especially at times when we need to be united and hatred for us is so grand.

I didnt mean to offend you, it's just i hear this on tv, ane newspapers all the time. It's so sad and disappointing.

[ShaE]

sorry i didnt address this sooner. I just got really irate with Chris and thought it best to cool off.

I just couldnt believe that anyone can back up Chris with his absurd views. How can anyone say that the BIGGEST danger are americans, that we as a nation are worse than terrorist, taht we are the biggest problem. Every nation makes mistakes, no one has a clean slate. This does not mean taht we go bashing our country especially at times when we need to be united and hatred for us is so grand.

I didnt mean to offend you, it's just i hear this on tv, ane newspapers all the time. It's so sad and disappointing.
I didn't say the biggest danger tanya, I said:

so you don't think that the attitude of americans is a problem at all? you don't think we have put ourselves in danger by our own actions in ANY WAY AT ALL?

Nobody is denying terrorists are a threat, but you're convinced we've done nothing to make ourselves MORE unsafe? wow, that scares the shit out of me.

which in no way diminishes the threat of terrorists, but at the same time forces us to acknowledge what we have done to exacerbate the problem. admitting our mistakes in the attempt to correct them is not "bashing", it's what you have to do if you are serious about getting to the root of the problem and doing your best to correct it.

i'm sorry for how harshy i reacted but I don't take very well to being told I hate my country. i love my country, and part of that is admitting and acknowledging our weaknesses so they can be FIXED, addressed, and avoided. not sweeping them under the carpet and pointing the finger solely at the other guy so as to avoid criticizing anyone.

it's not helping anyone to deny misdeeds and mistakes, it's perpetuating the problem. constructive criticism is worlds away from bashing, and i expect that b/c I DO love my country, my goal is to improve not to bash for kicks.

[ShaE]

I didnt mean to offend you, it's just i hear this on tv, ane newspapers all the time. It's so sad and disappointing.
and i get equally disappointed when i feel like people cannot understand that loving your country doesn't mean being afraid and unwilling to say "we messed up, we did this wrong, we have to change" and take responsibility.

that makes me really sad, b/c you can't get anywhere if you think you're perfect, and you can't look inward for improvement.

maybe you hear it all the time b/c it's true, and it's about damn time somebody brought our attention to wtf we're doing wrong.

[metfan85]

and i get equally disappointed when i feel like people cannot understand that loving your country doesn't mean being afraid and unwilling to say "we messed up, we did this wrong, we have to change" and take responsibility.

that makes me really sad, b/c you can't get anywhere if you think you're perfect, and you can't look inward for improvement.

maybe you hear it all the time b/c it's true, and it's about damn time somebody brought our attention to wtf we're doing wrong.

Shan the neo-cons did the same thing to everyone who didn't want to go irrationally to war. Just because people didn't support a war who's only beneficiary was Israel, Likud and Ariel Sharon, all of a sudden they hated America.

If anything they are the real non-patriot's, at least not American Patriots.
To send our money, our men, our supplies to a war that did not in any way benefit us, is appearently patriotic.

[ShaE]

If anything they are the real non-patriot's, at least not American Patriots.
To send our money, our men, our supplies to a war that did not in any way benefit us, is appearently patriotic.
100%. They were tasked with using our troops, american lives, effectively, and they failed miserably. For a commander in chief to misuse the lives of the american military is the worst offense against the country i can imagine. they volunteer to protect us, and you send them on a wild goose chase for your own profit, and your cronies' profit, under the guise of "protection" at gross cost of life and limb.such a gross abuse of power, and pointing that out isn't bashing, it's 100% necessary, b/c this shit can't happen again. we have to learn. and that includes congress learning to take a more authoritative role in checking the president's powers.

[just b u]

Shan the neo-cons did the same thing to everyone who didn't want to go irrationally to war. Just because people didn't support a war who's only beneficiary was Israel, Likud and Ariel Sharon, all of a sudden they hated America.

If anything they are the real non-patriot's, at least not American Patriots.
To send our money, our men, our supplies to a war that did not in any way benefit us, is appearently patriotic.
The whole world will be effected if Israel will seize to exist. The spread of terrorism and radical islam will not be stopped. I guess agree to disagree. But in this terrorist war us being so far geographically will not save US.

Also US is a superpower, and as such it has some power and responsiblity to those in dire (sp?) need. Although at this point I do believe that we must focus on our economy.

[just b u]

and shae i agree that we must learn from our past and acknowledge our mistakes.

[metfan85]

The whole world will be effected if Israel will seize to exist. The spread of terrorism and radical islam will not be stopped. I guess agree to disagree. But in this. terrorist war us being so far geographically will not save US.

Also US is a superpower, and as such it has some power and responsiblity to those in dire (sp?) need. Although at this point I do believe that we must focus on our economy.

The whole world will not be affected if Israel ceases to exist, Israelis will be affected. For some reason I can't see the Norse people living in the low countries of Europe losing their lands to Islamists if Israel loses to Hizbolla. Israel had problems with terrorists for many many years. We only had problems after the Cold War, when instead of cutting away our temporary alliances, we got in everyone's business.

The distance between us and the rest of the world is a blessing from God and only we can destroy that, and guess what we have. Sending our troops all over the world, telling everyone what to do, putting our troops on Muslim holy land in Saudi Arabia, that's the neo-con doing, not Islamists.
And again, the US is a REPUBLIC not a superpower, not an Empire. We don't owe anything to anyone but to ourselves. And that certainly is not going around the world like a 1920's Irish NYPD officer making sure everyone's doing what our culture perceives to be the right thing to do.

[jameznyhc]

The whole world will not be affected if Israel ceases to exist, Israelis will be affected. For some reason I can't see the Norse people living in the low countries of Europe losing their lands to Islamists if Israel loses to Hizbolla. Israel had problems with terrorists for many many years. We only had problems after the Cold War, when instead of cutting away our temporary alliances, we got in everyone's business.

The distance between us and the rest of the world is a blessing from God and only we can destroy that, and guess what we have. Sending our troops all over the world, telling everyone what to do, putting our troops on Muslim holy land in Saudi Arabia, that's the neo-con doing, not Islamists.
And again, the US is a REPUBLIC not a superpower, not an Empire. We don't owe anything to anyone but to ourselves. And that certainly is not going around the world like a 1920's Irish NYPD officer making sure everyone's doing what our culture perceives to be the right thing to do.



lies & propaganda

!) Saudis wanted us in SA it was the islamists doing.. we would never be there if Sadaam was invading countries for oil debts to be forgotten lol

2)American hostage crsis started way before the cold war was over .. and so was the 1983 bombing of US Marines ... that was height of the cold war

3) we went into many parts of the workld to stop communism & we helped the islamist backstabbers;; defeat commies as well

4) Appeasing your enemies and not fighting them makes them attack you harder .. Spain is perfect example, so is Australia ..We need another Reagan

[JustLikeHeaven]

The whole world will not be affected if Israel ceases to exist, Israelis will be affected. For some reason I can't see the Norse people living in the low countries of Europe losing their lands to Islamists if Israel loses to Hizbolla. Israel had problems with terrorists for many many years. We only had problems after the Cold War, when instead of cutting away our temporary alliances, we got in everyone's business.
The distance between us and the rest of the world is a blessing from God and only we can destroy that, and guess what we have. Sending our troops all over the world, telling everyone what to do, putting our troops on Muslim holy land in Saudi Arabia, that's the neo-con doing, not Islamists.
And again, the US is a REPUBLIC not a superpower, not an Empire. We don't owe anything to anyone but to ourselves. And that certainly is not going around the world like a 1920's Irish NYPD officer making sure everyone's doing what our culture perceives to be the right thing to do.

Totally agree!

[jameznyhc]

Totally agree!

well your wrong our problems go back way before the cold war ended ..and before we ever set foot in SA as i showed .. your only interested in discrediting america.. why else rewrite history lol .. the oil embargo and hostage situation started in the 70s ..they started to kill us in 83 ..so your agreeing with a false statement lol

[ShaE]

and shae i agree that we must learn from our past and acknowledge our mistakes.
:)

[JustLikeHeaven]

well your wrong our problems go back way before the cold war ended ..and before we ever set foot in SA as i showed .. your only interested in discrediting america.. why else rewrite history lol .. the oil embargo and hostage situation started in the 70s ..they started to kill us in 83 ..so your agreeing with a false statement lol

Exactly!!!
I am mainly agreeing with the comparison of Israel always having problems with terrorists vs. us having problems with terrorists after the Cold War. Which is true...and there u go again with the unpatriotic/discrediting America bullshit.

Excuse me if I believe that we need to look out for our OWN interests and take care of our own ppl first before we go policing the world and getting involved in everyone else's problems. Yea - I guess that makes me unpatriotic :rolleyes:

[ShaE]

distance mattered when you used to have to get on a ship and sail across the ocean and rockets didn't exist. distance means nada when weapons have the range they have and airplanes are in the picture.
our distance from nations was never going to be an effective means of protection, not in today's day.

[jameznyhc]

Exactly!!!
I am mainly agreeing with the comparison of Israel always having problems with terrorists vs. us having problems with terrorists after the Cold War. Which is true...and there u go again with the unpatriotic/discrediting America bullshit.

Excuse me if I believe that we need to look out for our OWN interests and take care of our own ppl first before we go policing the world and getting involved in everyone else's problems. Yea - I guess that makes me unpatriotic :rolleyes:



Exaxctly lol .. thanks for agreeing just pointing out this started before we set foot in SA

Israel is a peaceful nation ..They only have problems because others like iran want to destroy them for existing ..lol ..Jerusalem has been home to jews long before islam was even created ..they have every right to belong there .. they want a 2 state peceful solutin.. The islamists do not.. Thats why when israel gave up gaza they were attacked harder ..the more you appease the harder they hit you .. we tried appeasment for 9 years ..they only attacked us harder & israel harder

they attacked spain australia and britain as well and they never back israel up lol ..

they hit turkey, China and india the past 2 weeks they never help israel

Israel never attacked a nation .. they have been attacked 4 times.. The problem with letting iran obliterate a peaceful nation pre-emotively will encourage more of the same if no action is taken ..

There is no ocean seperating us ..when hezbollah and venezuala are forming an alliance with an open border we have no ocean seperating us

Since we started fighting back after 9/11 we havent been hit once here or abroad .. why is that?

Also we never would have went to watr wih Iraq for the third time if not for russia china and france protecting and arming Sadaam hussein .. George bush gave Sadaam every oppurtunity to avoid war.. He offered the same to the taliban as well .. there never would have been a war had those countries co-operated ..

[metfan85]

distance mattered when you used to have to get on a ship and sail across the ocean and rockets didn't exist. distance means nada when weapons have the range they have and airplanes are in the picture.
our distance from nations was never going to be an effective means of protection, not in today's day.

Sorry shan but your wrong. Only 2 nations can threaten us with ICBN's and Iran certainly isn't one.
Russia and China are the only 2 nations that can pose a threat. All other attacks by sea or air can be defended against from the Hawaii, Midland Guam etc.
China definitely would have nothing to gain in attacking us. There economy would be destroyed.
Only Russia, who should have been our friend had it been for Bush and the neocons bellicosity after the Cold War. They remind me of a batter hitting a homerun off Bob Gibson and showing him up. Next at bat a fastball was coming at your head.

[metfan85]

lies & propaganda

!) Saudis wanted us in SA it was the islamists doing.. we would never be there if Sadaam was invading countries for oil debts to be forgotten lol

2)American hostage crsis started way before the cold war was over .. and so was the 1983 bombing of US Marines ... that was height of the cold war

3) we went into many parts of the workld to stop communism & we helped the islamist backstabbers;; defeat commies as well

4) Appeasing your enemies and not fighting them makes them attack you harder .. Spain is perfect example, so is Australia ..We need another Reagan

You refuted your own point about the Saudis. The govt allowed us to be there, but the gov't of Saudi Arabia did not attack us on 9/11. Is your govt offended by the same things our people are?

Hmmm.. When did Iran become our enemy when the morons yelling for democracy everywhere allowed the Shah to be deposed.

Bro we went into other parts of the world to CONTAIN communism. Neocons are all about attack attack attack. That point is irrelevant. We had common enemies, but after the enemy left we stayed.
I don't get how were appeasing our enemies? You think some bums in dirty night shirts can destroy us? Have you seen the devastation wrought on Germany and Japan after 1945? They were prospering after merely 10 years.

[metfan85]

Exactly!!!
I am mainly agreeing with the comparison of Israel always having problems with terrorists vs. us having problems with terrorists after the Cold War. Which is true...and there u go again with the unpatriotic/discrediting America bullshit.

Excuse me if I believe that we need to look out for our OWN interests and take care of our own ppl first before we go policing the world and getting involved in everyone else's problems. Yea - I guess that makes me unpatriotic :rolleyes:

Exactly we all know I'm the furthest thing froma. Socialist, but heck I'd rather see the trillions wasted bringing democracy to iraq and afghanistan be spent on the. poor here.

And your not agreeing with a false statement, terror was a negligible threat in 1983 otherwise why didn't Reagan invade Beirut?
I know this much if he was a neocon with Bushs cabinet hed have done it.

[jameznyhc]

Exactly we all know I'm the furthest thing froma. Socialist, but heck I'd rather see the trillions wasted bringing democracy to iraq and afghanistan be spent on the. poor here.

And your not agreeing with a false statement, terror was a negligible threat in 1983 otherwise why didn't Reagan invade Beirut?
I know this much if he was a neocon with Bushs cabinet hed have done it.

It was reagans & clintons appeasement they made them attack us more .. right up until 9/11..we got hit harder and closer to home as the years passed ...

Libya learned their lesson after reagan bombed them because khadaffi was a real threat .. but he cooperated with bush ..Also reagan had his hands tied with the south america and afghanistan proxy wars

if neocons are so pro war why did we work with NK, Libya, and now Iran?? why not just invade them all ..why not just nuke iraq ?? .. why not nuke afghanistan??

your saying terror was not a real threat in 83 ..tell that to american familys who lost kids in beirut bombings

[jameznyhc]

You refuted your own point about the Saudis. The govt allowed us to be there, but the gov't of Saudi Arabia did not attack us on 9/11. Is your govt offended by the same things our people are?

Hmmm.. When did Iran become our enemy when the morons yelling for democracy everywhere allowed the Shah to be deposed.

Bro we went into other parts of the world to CONTAIN communism. Neocons are all about attack attack attack. That point is irrelevant. We had common enemies, but after the enemy left we stayed.
I don't get how were appeasing our enemies? You think some bums in dirty night shirts can destroy us? Have you seen the devastation wrought on Germany and Japan after 1945? They were prospering after merely 10 years.


Right SA let us in there ..we didnt just go in there ..lol we were invited ..why?? to save their asses from sadaam.. again bush sr fucked this up ..yuou dont go to war unless you want to finish it

[jameznyhc]

Sorry shan but your wrong. Only 2 nations can threaten us with ICBN's and Iran certainly isn't one.
Russia and China are the only 2 nations that can pose a threat. All other attacks by sea or air can be defended against from the Hawaii, Midland Guam etc.
China definitely would have nothing to gain in attacking us. There economy would be destroyed.
Only Russia, who should have been our friend had it been for Bush and the neocons bellicosity after the Cold War. They remind me of a batter hitting a homerun off Bob Gibson and showing him up. Next at bat a fastball was coming at your head.

Bush tried kissing his ass.. putin in return armed sadaam and made us go to war..yet bush is the bad guy ..damn bro your a kgb ex communist apologizer now?? ..its bushs fault putin was bribed by sadaam now?? .Im fuckin glad bush stands up to that disgrace ..Maybe bush wouldnt put that shield in if putin wasnt hell bent on protecting iran .. why are they stopping harsh sanctions..why do they contiue to defend iran? ..why should bush be his friend and ally??..what has russia done to deserve our friendship or earn our trust after oil for food??..why did we let them get away with it???