More good news from Iraq.. Al Sadyr and Mahdi army will disarm..theyve been beaten

[jameznyhc]

And this is why you can prove to dumb libs that terrorists can be defeated ..


Moqtada Packs It In
August 6, 2008; Page A14
Good news out of Iraq is becoming almost a daily event: In just the past week, we learned that U.S. combat fatalities (five) dropped in July to a low for the war, that key leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq have fled to the Pakistani hinterland, that troop deployments will soon be cut to 12 months from 15, and that Washington and Baghdad are close to concluding a status-of-forces agreement.

Now this: Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr plans to announce Friday that he will disarm his Mahdi Army, which was raining mortars on Baghdad's Green Zone as recently as April. Coupled with the near-total defeat of al Qaeda in Iraq, this means the U.S. no longer faces any significant organized military foe in the country. It also marks a major setback for Iran, which had used the Mahdi Army as one of its primary vehicles for extending its influence in Iraq.
The story, broken yesterday by the Journal's Gina Chon, marks the latest of serial defeats for Mr. Sadr, beginning in February 2007 when he was forced underground (reportedly to Iran) in anticipation of the surge of U.S. troops. More recently, the Mahdi Army was defeated and evicted from Basra and other southern strongholds by an Iraqi-led military offensive. The Mahdi Army capitulated without a fight from its Baghdad enclave of Sadr City. Now the young cleric will focus his group's efforts on politics and social work, perhaps while he pursues theological studies in Iran. He wouldn't be the first grad student in history with a tendency toward rabble-rousing.

In many respects, the story of the Mahdi Army's decline follows the same pattern as al Qaeda's: Not only was it routed militarily, it also made itself noxious to the very Shiite population it purported to represent and defend. It enforced its heavy-handed religious edicts, coupled with mob-like extortion tactics, wherever it assumed effective control. The overwhelming Shiite rejection of this brand of politics is another piece of good news from Iraq, as it means that Iraqis will not tolerate Iranian-style theocratic rule.

It is also an indication that Iraqi politics is developing in a healthy way. There was considerable anxiety that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, as the leader of the Shiite-dominated Islamic Dawa Party, would practice a sectarian form of politics and toe a pro-Iranian line, particularly since it had long been headquartered in Tehran. Mr. Maliki's coalition initially included Mr. Sadr's loyalists, including several cabinet members.

Mr. Maliki had little choice but to make political alliances with Shiite sectarians and seek good relations with Iran, but he has also proven to be more than a sectarian politician and no Iranian pawn. Instead, he has turned out to be a muscular Iraqi nationalist, a stance that enjoys far greater popular support than many Western "experts" on Iraq believed possible. (Remember Senator Joe Biden and others who advised only last year that Iraq had to be divided into three parts?) It's thus no surprise that the more Mr. Sadr aligned himself with Tehran, the faster his popularity declined.

As with so much in Iraq, Mr. Sadr's sudden turn to moderation remains reversible. Breakaway factions of the Mahdi Army, aided by Iran, will surely launch fresh attacks on U.S. targets -- especially as U.S. and Iraqi elections near. That's all the more reason to regret the U.S. failure to arrest Mr. Sadr in 2004 for the murder the previous year of Imam Abdul Majid al-Khoei, widely believed to have been undertaken on Mr. Sadr's orders.

That mistake, like others the U.S. has committed in Iraq, can't be undone. But our recent and considerable successes can be, which is all the more reason to see our involvement in Iraq through to an irreversible victory. With Mr. Sadr's "retirement," we've taken another long stride in that direction.

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[jameznyhc]

Wow im really confused lol all the libs told me when the surge ends because the benchmarks cant be met the country will collapse into civil war, elections wont work, Maliki wont crackdown on shia, the sunnis will never accept our presence, with our miltary strecthed thin broken and beaten cause they were in a quagmire worse than vietnam .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA too bad you all got everything wrong .. everything!!!!

Just like they did in regan years and the cold war... got everything wrong ..said the exact same shit about ronnie as they do about bush ..

History will judge the economy as this ..

Bush enters office the nasdaq is wiped out ...401ks wiped out.. total recession after clintons 6 years of growth and overinflated tech market..then we get hit with 9/11 and were really fucked.. Bush tax cuts kick in ..we have ridiculous 4-6 % GDP annually, one of the lowest unemployment rates in history, a housing market that roared over the longest period in time.. exports went thru the roof.. a stock mraket that if you got into in 01 and sold by last year youd have made alot of money (like myself).. wall st boomed.. crooks went to jail .. by his last year the liberal media and dems kept saying recession ..yet every quarter there was growth ..gdp still grew.. unemployment remained low.. and america has 20 million EMPLOYED illegals too boot.. Bush pushes for Drilling domestically .. withinm weeks futures drop tremendously .. consumers facing high gas pricing stopped driving alot ..demand dropped oil corrected itself ..

Now for me personally i benefitted and prospered ..when bush came into office i was hurting my 401 was way down .. my tech stocks killed me .. and nyc business wasdead for 2 years ..if you didnt do well under bush you have only yourself to blame ..

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Wow im really confused lol all the libs told me when the surge ends because the benchmarks cant be met the country will collapse into civil war, elections wont work, Maliki wont crackdown on shia, the sunnis will never accept our presence, with our miltary strecthed thin broken and beaten cause they were in a quagmire worse than vietnam .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA too bad you all got everything wrong .. everything!!!!

Just like they did in regan years and the cold war... got everything wrong ..said the exact same shit about ronnie as they do about bush ..

History will judge the economy as this ..

Bush enters office the nasdaq is wiped out ...401ks wiped out.. total recession after clintons 6 years of growth and overinflated tech market..then we get hit with 9/11 and were really fucked.. Bush tax cuts kick in ..we have ridiculous 4-6 % GDP annually, one of the lowest unemployment rates in history, a housing market that roared over the longest period in time.. exports went thru the roof.. a stock mraket that if you got into in 01 and sold by last year youd have made alot of money (like myself).. wall st boomed.. crooks went to jail .. by his last year the liberal media and dems kept saying recession ..yet every quarter there was growth ..gdp still grew.. unemployment remained low.. and america has 20 million EMPLOYED illegals too boot.. Bush pushes for Drilling domestically .. withinm weeks futures drop tremendously .. consumers facing high gas pricing stopped driving alot ..demand dropped oil corrected itself ..

Now for me personally i benefitted and prospered ..when bush came into office i was hurting my 401 was way down .. my tech stocks killed me .. and nyc business wasdead for 2 years ..if you didnt do well under bush you have only yourself to blame ..

lol

[jameznyhc]

lol

hey what happened why did your boy al sdayr go soft ..werent you touting him as the next dictator of iraq??? hahahahahahha

[Sergeant Chaosss]

This would be great news if it actually holds true,for our fighting mens sake i hope so

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hey what happened why did your boy al sdayr go soft ..werent you touting him as the next dictator of iraq??? hahahahahahha

lol, if you dont think he can in a second have all his men who are in the security forces to take off their uniforms and keep their guns, if you think for a second that they dont have stockpiles of weapons chilling in locations all across iraq, you might very well be the most naive person on earth.....

i bet anything that you have been scammed at least 30 times in your life. I can totally picture you giving all your credit card information to some nigerian scam artist posing as a hot girl in an internet chat room......

[jameznyhc]

lol, if you dont think he can in a second have all his men who are in the security forces to take off their uniforms and keep their guns, if you think for a second that they dont have stockpiles of weapons chilling in locations all across iraq, you might very well be the most naive person on earth.....

i bet anything that you have been scammed at least 30 times in your life. I can totally picture you giving all your credit card information to some nigerian scam artist posing as a hot girl in an internet chat room......

so why isnt he waging war like you all promised once the surge ended and troops are going home>>> why on earth is he disarming???

[John Kennedy]

cool, so we won again, now can we come home?

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so why isnt he waging war like you all promised once the surge ended and troops are going home>>> why on earth is he disarming???

Wage war with 160k US troops on the ground? not so much.... there is a time and place for everything.... he will make his power move when the troops are gone.....

hence what i have always said, the surge will work tactically, it will secure to a reasonable extent the places where the boots are, but sooner or later we have to leave and the outcome will be the same, it will be tribal, it will be power plays, it will be a major bombing here, an assassination there, and you will have blood flowing in the street........

and there is still a small matter of MILLIONS of displaced Iraqis who have to eventually come back to nothing.....

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but other than that, its kansas.

[jameznyhc]

Wage war with 160k US troops on the ground? not so much.... there is a time and place for everything.... he will make his power move when the troops are gone.....

hence what i have always said, the surge will work tactically, it will secure to a reasonable extent the places where the boots are, but sooner or later we have to leave and the outcome will be the same, it will be tribal, it will be power plays, it will be a major bombing here, an assassination there, and you will have blood flowing in the street........

and there is still a small matter of MILLIONS of displaced Iraqis who have to eventually come back to nothing.....

So your saying he knows he cant defeat us .. after we leave if maliki cant defend his country against al sadyr i wont give a fuck cause we will be gone lol ..Im just showing you we beat al sadyr he ran away.. thats a proxy defeat for iran .. we defeated al qaeda now theyre all running back to afgghanistan .. we won son .. your boy said the surge would create more violence hahahahahahahahhaha..youi never said the surge would work LMAO your full of shit i pull many old threads ...you also said they would never reach benchmarks also ..you guaranteed my civil war ...so what happened?? ...lol yeah you said the surge would work ..you want me to pull that old thread again ??? just like obama we got you on record son saying it would fail ..saying we cant win .. lol

[jameznyhc]

cool, so we won again, now can we come home?

didnt you read the article we are coming home.. also because violence dropped so quick were going to bring home more troops quicker

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So your saying he knows he cant defeat us .. after we leave if maliki cant defend his country against al sadyr i wont give a fuck cause we will be gone lol ..Im just showing you we beat al sadyr he ran away.. thats a proxy defeat for iran .. we defeated al qaeda now theyre all running back to afgghanistan .. we won son .. your boy said the surge would create more violence hahahahahahahahhaha..youi never said the surge would work LMAO your full of shit i pull many old threads ...you also said they would never reach benchmarks also ..you guaranteed my civil war ...so what happened?? ...lol yeah you said the surge would work ..you want me to pull that old thread again ??? just like obama we got you on record son saying it would fail ..saying we cant win .. lol

please pull up all my threads, just search "wack a mole" and youll get a million hits of all the times i said putting more troops on the ground will stop violence, make the bad guys chill, and wait it out, and then bam..,... search "finger in hole in the dam" and youll see all my threads that said our surge is only delaying the inevitable......

lol, wait wait wait, hold up.... lmao, so let me get this straight "defeating" alsadr is winning this war???? lmao.

let me wake u up from your neocon drunkeness... WE ALREADY LOST THIS WAR, the second we invaded a soverign country for reasons that didnt pan out if a gross mistake that has never been seen in our lifetimes, and now trillions lost and thousands dead, perhaps millions, who knows, .... and you are doing jumpingjacks because sadr wont go gun to gun with the strongest army in the world???? lol...... you are really demented man.......

so let me get this straight, so we defeated alqeada means we won this war????? lmao, a group that wasnt there before we invaded, a group we created by invading, a group that is stronger, by our own assessment, as they were pre 2001.... .yet WE WON?????

talk about moving the goal posts.... whatever makes you get a warm and fuzzy feeling bro.... next war you should contribute a little more actively than posting garbage on a messageboard

[jameznyhc]

please pull up all my threads, just search "wack a mole" and youll get a million hits of all the times i said putting more troops on the ground will stop violence, make the bad guys chill, and wait it out, and then bam..,... search "finger in hole in the dam" and youll see all my threads that said our surge is only delaying the inevitable......

lol, wait wait wait, hold up.... lmao, so let me get this straight "defeating" alsadr is winning this war???? lmao.

let me wake u up from your neocon drunkeness... WE ALREADY LOST THIS WAR, the second we invaded a soverign country for reasons that didnt pan out if a gross mistake that has never been seen in our lifetimes, and now trillions lost and thousands dead, perhaps millions, who knows, .... and you are doing jumpingjacks because sadr wont go gun to gun with the strongest army in the world???? lol...... you are really demented man.......

so let me get this straight, so we defeated alqeada means we won this war????? lmao, a group that wasnt there before we invaded, a group we created by invading, a group that is stronger, by our own assessment, as they were pre 2001.... .yet WE WON?????

talk about moving the goal posts.... whatever makes you get a warm and fuzzy feeling bro.... next war you should contribute a little more actively than posting garbage on a messageboard

yes al qaeda ran, al sadyr ran, elections went fine, vioence is contained ..now wack a mole theory is you kill one terrorist while creating another..so what happened? .. i thought maliki was controlled by iran ?? what happened?? ..at first you siad he was bushs puppet ..what happened?? ..al qaeda has not hit us here or abroad since 9/11 how are they stronger?? ..why havent the terrorists hit us if bush created so many?? ..i thought the sunnis wouldnt embrace us what happened?? ...lol ..bro you were wrong on every level ..

[jameznyhc]

[QUOTE]please pull up all my threads,


heres one from last june i can pull up 7 more ...


heres the link ..http://www.nightclubcity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129486&highlight=surge


heres your response


what im curious is, as you said, Petraus said the true outcome of this surge will be known by summers end..... fine.... a spending bill has been passed stating that the first troops will begin to withdraw in limited amounts by the fall, and most by next year......

so lets go over scenario's...and ill go slow since i seem to lose you guys when I rant....

scenario 1: surge works: (cough cough laugh cough): ok, so its september.... secterian violence has been effectively supressed, enough for Maliki and his government to unify the government, gain the trust and support of the vast majority of the people..... Iraqis realize that civil war is not in their best interests and a fair compromise is struck by the three main factions (shia, sunni, and kurd) for wealth distribution which will be in the interest of the coutnry and will be shared proportioned to the different sects..... which will protect the minority sunnis enough so that they dont have to keep fighting..... the rainbows are out, they name the main highway in iraq "Bush Blvd" and our troops can come home to a heros welcome...


scenario 2: Surge doesnt work: (if you are a betting man as i am, i would love to put a small wager - say $500 or so, on it - never have I seen a more sure shot bet) .... secterian violence continues to flourish, especially in places where troops are not present (and we cant be everywhere at once), suicide bombings flourish, Al Qeada virtually controls whole provinces (dilaya for example) the Iraqi peole want us out and few us as occupiers, Sadr feels his time to shine is late summer and commands his militia to now use force against the "occupiers" and we continue to lose 10 a day to attacks..........


ok, so September comes around...... we should be seeing a HUGGGGGGE indicator that the surge is going to be one of these two scenarios..... either way, we have to leave..... one is a success, and one is a failure........

the american people voted on Iraq more than any other topic combined.....the "politcal capital" that bush had after 04 is nothing now.......

ova hova......


Lol you got 500 dollars?? ..HAHAHAHAHA ...want more???

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yes al qaeda ran, al sadyr ran, elections went fine, vioence is contained ..now wack a mole theory is you kill one terrorist while creating another..so what happened? .. i thought maliki was controlled by iran ?? what happened?? ..at first you siad he was bushs puppet ..what happened?? ..al qaeda has not hit us here or abroad since 9/11 how are they stronger?? ..why havent the terrorists hit us if bush created so many?? ..i thought the sunnis wouldnt embrace us what happened?? ...lol ..bro you were wrong on every level ..

Your gonna have to ask our own government agencies for there assessment that AlQeada is stronger today than pre 9/11. Not hitting us here doesnt necessarily mean a group is or isnt stronger. That is the problem with your abosolute thinking of all or nothing. Nothing in this world is all or nothing, black or white..... Anti american feelings are at a fever pitch during the Bush administration, we tore up our consitution, we spied on citizens, we tortured, rendition, black sites, snubbing the UN and the Geneva conventions..... in my humble opinion you take all of that and top it with 4,000+ american deaths, and trillions spent.... and you got a HUGE ALQEADA WIN, far more than 9/11..... they were able to make us more hated when on 9/12 we were loved, they were able to make us take the low road and throw our proud principles in the garbage.....

thus, my friend, obama might as well be the messiah, cause in the depths of this darkness only a savior can deliver us to the light..... say it with me, hallelujah amen...... there is a camp obama voluteer effort for NYC on August 22nd, I am going to be there volunteering, you want it? there is still time to leave the bad guys and come to the good.

[jameznyhc]

Your gonna have to ask our own government agencies for there assessment that AlQeada is stronger today than pre 9/11. Not hitting us here doesnt necessarily mean a group is or isnt stronger. That is the problem with your abosolute thinking of all or nothing. Nothing in this world is all or nothing, black or white..... Anti american feelings are at a fever pitch during the Bush administration, we tore up our consitution, we spied on citizens, we tortured, rendition, black sites, snubbing the UN and the Geneva conventions..... in my humble opinion you take all of that and top it with 4,000+ american deaths, and trillions spent.... and you got a HUGE ALQEADA WIN, far more than 9/11..... they were able to make us more hated when on 9/12 we were loved, they were able to make us take the low road and throw our proud principles in the garbage.....

thus, my friend, obama might as well be the messiah, cause in the depths of this darkness only a savior can deliver us to the light..... say it with me, hallelujah amen...... there is a camp obama voluteer effort for NYC on August 22nd, I am going to be there volunteering, you want it? there is still time to leave the bad guys and come to the good.

hey you got $500 ??? lmao!!!

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[QUOTE=Defekted;2539979],


heres one from last june i can pull up 7 more ...


heres the link ..http://www.nightclubcity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129486&highlight=surge


heres your response


what im curious is, as you said, Petraus said the true outcome of this surge will be known by summers end..... fine.... a spending bill has been passed stating that the first troops will begin to withdraw in limited amounts by the fall, and most by next year......

so lets go over scenario's...and ill go slow since i seem to lose you guys when I rant....

scenario 1: surge works: (cough cough laugh cough): ok, so its september.... secterian violence has been effectively supressed, enough for Maliki and his government to unify the government, gain the trust and support of the vast majority of the people..... Iraqis realize that civil war is not in their best interests and a fair compromise is struck by the three main factions (shia, sunni, and kurd) for wealth distribution which will be in the interest of the coutnry and will be shared proportioned to the different sects..... which will protect the minority sunnis enough so that they dont have to keep fighting..... the rainbows are out, they name the main highway in iraq "Bush Blvd" and our troops can come home to a heros welcome...


scenario 2: Surge doesnt work: (if you are a betting man as i am, i would love to put a small wager - say $500 or so, on it - never have I seen a more sure shot bet) .... secterian violence continues to flourish, especially in places where troops are not present (and we cant be everywhere at once), suicide bombings flourish, Al Qeada virtually controls whole provinces (dilaya for example) the Iraqi peole want us out and few us as occupiers, Sadr feels his time to shine is late summer and commands his militia to now use force against the "occupiers" and we continue to lose 10 a day to attacks..........


ok, so September comes around...... we should be seeing a HUGGGGGGE indicator that the surge is going to be one of these two scenarios..... either way, we have to leave..... one is a success, and one is a failure........

the american people voted on Iraq more than any other topic combined.....the "politcal capital" that bush had after 04 is nothing now.......

ova hova......


Lol you got 500 dollars?? ..HAHAHAHAHA ...want more???

i do want more..... there is plenty more..... the violence definitely settle down far more than anyone suspected but like i said its wack a mole..... and the surge coincided with the sunni awakening, hence no home for alqeada anymore..... but it still doesnt address the glaring longterm issues that are bound to blow up.... i dont look at days i look at years..... i look at our troops, and why the hell are they still there for? Iraq is far from being in disneyland.....still the same issues are there that cause the untolerable violence before with the exception of alqeada...... so if you think that its gonna be all good you are the naive one

[jameznyhc]

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i do want more..... there is plenty more..... the violence definitely settle down far more than anyone suspected but like i said its wack a mole..... and the surge coincided with the sunni awakening, hence no home for alqeada anymore..... but it still doesnt address the glaring longterm issues that are bound to blow up.... i dont look at days i look at years..... i look at our troops, and why the hell are they still there for? Iraq is far from being in disneyland.....still the same issues are there that cause the untolerable violence before with the exception of alqeada...... so if you think that its gonna be all good you are the naive one

Violence settled down?? lmao you said al qaeda be running the show, that al qaeda would be in control .. that suicide bombings would get worse ..lmao you were 110% dead wrong like your rookie Obama was wrong ..you guys never said the surge would lessen violence you predicted the opposite ..BUSTED son ..:heythere

[jameznyhc]

ok bro heres another where you were dead wrong ...

Them fighting each other is nothing new. To think that the sunni tribes will all of a sudden stop fighting the US troops also is idiotic. They can multitask..... the one thing that is so hysterical with rightwing nuts is how simple and shallow their thinking is, anything more than one layer deep confuses them and they start running in circles.... just like "fight them here so we dont fight them here" as if 10 people cant do a terrorist attack here, and another 20 can do it there. morons.

:LOL:LOL:LOL

http://www.nightclubcity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132788&highlight=surge

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Why dont you bump all the threads of us saying that the surge will work in terms of bringing down violence where the increase of troops are located...... like wack a mole, and once we leave the same centuries old rivalries, the same tribal paybacks, the same militias will be there.....

just wait till Sadr's militia decides to make some noise during a power play, just wait when all this sunni groups that we have been paying with money and arms - bribing them decide to go Shia hunting...... just wait for the corrupted politicians in government get bought out by the Iran, SA, and other regional players, causing fault lines in the government leading to a breakdown.....just wait for the next truck bomb take out a holy site..... just wait.

You can point to the fact that a military tactical victory was won and obsess over it so that you can numb your brain to all the other issues with this failed mission. Thats fine. The rest of us can see reality.

tic toc.




Also, I hear about Iraq still everyday, articles, political news shows, etc .... basically the news isnt as bloody over the past 4 months or so because we have changed out tactics and increased the troop size .... so violence has decreased substantially.

However the purpose of the surge is to improve security so that a political reconciliation of all the factions in government can happen, and that isnt lights years from here..... so essentially this is a wack a mole, finger in the dam situation ......

There still is deaths of our troops (one is too many for me) and of innocent Iraqis, there are millions of displaced iraqis (external and internal), the military is saturated with shia death squads ...... and the sunnis still have zero trust for the shia controlled government .....

on top of that, we still are spending trillions ..... that could be spent on education, border security, healthcare, child programs, etc etc etc .......

its a shitstorm.... right now the media is concentrated on the last sprint with the presidential campaign.... dont you worry, Iraq is still issue #1, and the american public by in large are STRONGLY against it ....



My point is its in your best interests to NOT post threads about the surge, especially something like:

just keeps getting better..

August 14, 2007 -- The number of truck bombs and other high-profile attacks in Iraq have dropped by nearly 50 percent since the U.S. troop surge began, officials say.


OR YOU RISK HAVING IT BE THROWN BACK IN YOUR FACE WITHIN 6 HOURS...... lol

Like i always said bro... things can be good one day and HORRIBLE the next....thats what it has been during the surge, before the surge, and ill bet the house on it - after the surge.....

we are playing wack a mole over there.... places we are at- we are killing insurgents, places we arent - they are killing us and civilians..... point blank.

its took less than a few hours after your post about the surge stopping truck bombs to have THE WORST truck bombings in 3 years.... lol

you need a break....




you seem to think that victory means winning this unwinnable war.... you wrong, and obviously your intellectual level is still somewhere between Delta Force and Grand Theft Auto.... so ill try to make my point as clear as possible, the way I would to a kid at Chucky Cheese..

Forget about the fact that we pre-emptively attacked another country, forget about the fact that we said we were taking out an imminent threat, forget about the wmd's, the coverups, the forgeries, the media onslaught of fear and paranoia, forget all of that.... lets just say that the reason we went to Iraq was to liberate the iraqis from a ruthless regime, to promote democracy in the heart of the middle east. So that like a domino effect, all backwards regimes will lose out against popular mass uprising of the people, because it is the inherent right of every human to be free and live under liberty and justice.... (i think i got all the neo-pussy talking points, but please if i forget any, let me know, thanks son)

ok, so now we have a just cause to focus our resources too. What do we do? we go and violently take out a helpless regime, a threat to noone but his own people, in the meantime we kill or unemploy hundreds of thousands of young men, then we take sides on a long simmering battle of ancient enemies, then we try to flipflop, then we play wack a mole with everyone from real deal terrorists to street thugs, we award contracts to friends of the administration, making rediculous cash while our soldiers are dying one by one...... we played our hand, and showed the world we cant handle a guerilla war..... now our military prestige, that was destroyed after vietnam, built back up during the 30 years of the cold war arms race, is now competely destroyed..... and we singelhandedly made a regime, which is far more extreme that the secular dictator of Saddam, Iran far more stronger by taking out their checks on both sides of the border...... now we are playing a petty tit for tat game with the insurgency, that is making us look more and more foolish, and you want me to say to you that im pulling for a win??? hello mcfly, helllllllllllllllllllllllllllloo....... come to this side of the tracks, where you use your brain, and make rationale decisions....... youll like it here..... this war is lost! this particular war, but the notion that we cant promote our ideals and principles to this troubled regime is not dead, yet!, even though this little adventure probably set us back generations.......

what we should have done, and what we will have to do now, is take our troops out first..... its called stop the needless bleeding. Then, as an obligation to the poor Iraqis, who we just compeltly fucked royally, we will have to be there for them in other ways, consulting and most of all finanically..... the first ten years, we should be pumping the same money that we would have been spending if we were there in our current massive military force. The money will have to be used for security purposes and infrastructure, also for economic initiatives to get people to work. There will definitely be a bloody conflict the first few years, but the regional powers like Saudia Arabia, Iran, Turkey, etc do not want their respective alliances to take a beating, so they will have to step in..... this is where the world community, led by the US and UN have to ensure that the regional players are on the same page and that they wont step in militarily which can lead to a bigger regional war, but rather productively.... and through compromise the the civil conflict can reach a polticial solution.... right now, Iran, SA, and the rest arent doign shit CAUSE WE ARE THERE WITH TROOPS.... a withdrawal will force their hand........


so, and again this is a best case scenario, through diplomatic channels, and a tremendous amount of money, hopefully an Iraq, free of US troops, but supported by the world community and intimately supported by its neighbors on all sides can get through this terrible black mark in its amazing history.......



thats just what to do to fix the MESS that we are in.....for "victory" in the middle east, to get to those neocon ideals of justice and democracy, please see my next post.... and unlike the neocon pussies like yourself, who want war but never fight it.....i wont be trying to spread democracy by the barrel of a gun (an oxy moron at its best)

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i posted the above in an old thread, sorry bout that.....

so these are just a few of my posts.... read them

[JustLikeHeaven]

I honestly can't figure out what u are gloating about Jamez...

OK so u were right about the surge reducing violence...THAT WAS THE ONLY THING U GUYS WERE RIGHT ABOUT...on the other hand all the other horrific consequences of this war mean absolutely nothing to u? And you're thrilled about the surge being successful..u really have got an incredibly warped perspective on things :yourcrazy

[jameznyhc]

i posted the above in an old thread, sorry bout that.....

so these are just a few of my posts.... read them

yeah you said violence will come down ...AFTER it came down lol and after the surge was showing success lmao ..Obama did the same shit..My point was you never believed the surge would work ..now you said wack a mole ..why havent other terrorist havens pop up yet?? like you said we cant be everywhere ..so why havent any resurfaced?? wheres all the sadyr army gone? ..or al qqaeda?? ..ya see wack a mole theory was garbage ..because they all ran away ..lol

What happened to your $500 dollar bet??? you look delusional and insane denying something right before your eyes ..you said violence would get WORSE ..that al qaeda and sadyr would be RUNNIN SHIT ..lmao

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The whole point is

this war was waged my criminals who cherry picked the intelligence, and invaded a country who did not attack us and was not a threat, we got egg on our face because of it, no credibility..... and so many dead so much money spent, so many dispalced, created alqeada in that country and propped up a secterian government who will be closer to iran then they will ever be with us, iran got stronger because of the invasion and is not the big player in the region......

the surge along with the sunni awakening helped in cooling the place down, but that can only mean that its the calm before the storm, we just armed and financed the sunni side, lol..... when we leave what happens? lol, ....... all gravy? i doubt it.....

2 soldiers died today, a bomb in a market tomorrow, an assassination the day after that..... this is a miserable situation and you are screaming victory cause it is the HELL that is was last year....lol...... way to set pathetically low bars for passing grades.....

sad war and even sadder supporters of it

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yeah you said violence will come down ...AFTER it came down lol and after the surge was showing success lmao ..Obama did the same shit..My point was you never believed the surge would work ..now you said wack a mole ..why havent other terrorist havens pop up yet?? like you said we cant be everywhere ..so why havent any resurfaced?? wheres all the sadyr army gone? ..or al qqaeda?? ..ya see wack a mole theory was garbage ..because they all ran away ..lol

What happened to your $500 dollar bet??? you look delusional and insane denying something right before your eyes ..you said violence would get WORSE ..that al qaeda and sadyr would be RUNNIN SHIT ..lmao

the second paragraph is from December 2007 buddy

[jameznyhc]

I honestly can't figure out what u are gloating about Jamez...

OK so u were right about the surge reducing violence...THAT WAS THE ONLY THING U GUYS WERE RIGHT ABOUT...on the other hand all the other horrific consequences of this war mean absolutely nothing to u? And you're thrilled about the surge being successful..u really have got an incredibly warped perspective on things :yourcrazy

Im thrilled were not facing both a nuclear iraq .. imaging dealing with both of them going nuclear iraq and iran?? ..also look at all the people we saved from sadaam he killed many more iraqis then we ever came close to killing ..im glad theyre elections worked out ..im glad maliki stepped up.. im glad there meeting benchmarks ... im glad al sadyr and al qadea were defeated ..im glad we havent been attacked since 9/11..and im glad we coming home finally .. so yeah im proud when america wins

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Im thrilled were not facing both a nuclear iraq .. imaging dealing with both of them going nuclear iraq and iran?? ..also look at all the people we saved from sadaam he killed many more iraqis then we ever came close to killing ..im glad theyre elections worked out ..im glad maliki stepped up.. im glad there meeting benchmarks ... im glad al sadyr and al qadea were defeated ..im glad we havent been attacked since 9/11..and im glad we coming home finally .. so yeah im proud when america wins

Iraq isnt nulcear and never has been, its like saying "im thrilled Panama isnt a nuclear power" talk about dillusional

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I watch the news everyday and they still report how many us troops were killed that day, and the death count...... which they should....one life or ten, its important to me, and maybe not so important for the people who support yet dont fight this war.

and UNLIKE you, I find it rather annoying to post the SAME THING DAY IN AND DAY OUT..... if you would like to see where i stand on the surge do a search..... I have said at LEAST 500 times that the surge will work where the soldiers are, we can have 2 million soldiers and there will be NO VIOLENCE AT ALL.... the point is if there is no political reconciliation by the parties in Iraq, the second we leave there will be a rediculous amount of bloodshed..... we are the finger in the hole in the dam....


from october 2007...... more to come

[jameznyhc]

the second paragraph is from December 2007 buddy

correct and the surge began way before dec 07 ...in dec 07 we saw massive reductions in violence you moron ..lol .. :heythere..the surge began feb 07 ..

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what is wrong with you? its like if one corner on a block doenst have a shot fired you will look at it as a great victory... is that what this pathetic war lost has become to you fanatics? I guess you are all trying to salvage something, anything....

yes al-anbar has improved, because we are there in force.... the neighborhoods in baghdad that we are in have improved, because we are there in force....

the neighborhoods that USED TO BE good, and now terrible cause WE ARE NOT THERE.....

wack-a-mole


June 2007

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and if i really gave a fuck i would paste the other 200 posts about my thoughts on the surge..... im not shortsighted, a "good" year in voilence (as if there is such a thing) can be followed with a really bad year......

the lebanese civil war lasted 15 years from 1975-90 and there were years in there that you would have thought it was safe to bring the women and children out but then BAM..... chaos....

and Iraq has FAR MORE problem to deal with than the lebanese can ever imagine.

so like i said, an increase in troops is putting a banddaid on a gunshot wound.... we leave and it will start up....too many things unsettled, too much oil revenue up for grabs, to much tribes that swore revenge and TRUST me when i say this, they hold grudges better than anyone.......

if you want to call it a victory by all means do so.... but we all know how bad this war was for our country and for the world.... you shouldnt take pride in this disgrace, as a real american.

[chris817]

you really believe this
" Now the young cleric will focus his group's efforts on politics and social work, perhaps while he pursues theological studies in Iran. He wouldn't be the first grad student in history with a tendency toward rabble-rousing."

one article and you are concluding its over..

[jameznyhc]

you really believe this
" Now the young cleric will focus his group's efforts on politics and social work, perhaps while he pursues theological studies in Iran. He wouldn't be the first grad student in history with a tendency toward rabble-rousing."

one article and you are concluding its over..

ok ill admit im wrong when al sadyr launches attacks ...but he been hiding for a long long time lol ..