why did obama bow to a saudi king?

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[sadelb]

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[crazyray™]

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typical obama supporter, instead of addressing the question posted, they reply with something related to how shitty bush was as president

:lol:lol:lol:lol

[jameznyhc]

typical obama supporter, instead of addressing the question posted, they reply with something related to how shitty bush was as president

:lol:lol:lol:lol

right didnt bush get hammered for being a saudi lovin ass kisser ?? ..besides i thought Obama and the dems werent in the saudis pockets like Bush family was thats all i heard for 8 years.. now we have change you figure we can drill here at home and finally kick these losers to the curb ..nope looks like barry and the dems are not only in the saudis pockets but also LYING about the bowing incident which is the issue here .. at least Bush didnt try to lie if he were to bow down ..Does the Obama whitehouse thik were really so dumb as to believe the Saudi king was that much smaller and it wasnt a bow? .. its the straight up lying thats makin this a big issue .. just admit it

[CYBOUNCER]

It was a straight up embarrassment. Never in the history of this country, has a President BOWED to a King. The closest was Clinton when he “Dipped” to the emperor of Japan.

I made a comment on my facebook and it got 65 replies, mostly from the bleeding hearts trying to say what a shitty president GWB was and that it’s no big deal. Well, I didn’t vote for GWB, I agree he was bad, and it is a pretty big deal.

I understand that we have to show humility as a country, especially after how we’ve basically imposed our will on the rest of the world for decades now, but to bow to a King just goes against everything we’ve ever stood for. Then you see Obama basically apologizing for us to the rest of the world. We’re getting de-balled in world opinion thanks to ol’ Barry…

[jameznyhc]

It was a straight up embarrassment. Never in the history of this country, has a President BOWED to a King. The closest was Clinton when he “Dipped” to the emperor of Japan.

I made a comment on my facebook and it got 65 replies, mostly from the bleeding hearts trying to say what a shitty president GWB was and that it’s no big deal. Well, I didn’t vote for GWB, I agree he was bad, and it is a pretty big deal.

I understand that we have to show humility as a country, especially after how we’ve basically imposed our will on the rest of the world for decades now, but to bow to a King just goes against everything we’ve ever stood for. Then you see Obama basically apologizing for us to the rest of the world. We’re getting de-balled in world opinion thanks to ol’ Barry…


few things about this trip,

you can not impose democracy ..you can impose communism , nazism, fascism, ..but a democracy only works if the people vote, and let a free and independant press exist ..it may not be as free as this republic or a democratic socialized europe but none the less we spilled alot of fuckin blood for europe .. Obama goes there and they gave him NO TROOPS for afghanistan .. Now i was told the world gonna love us when bush was gone .. but let me tell you Bush knew how to work Sarkozy, Merkel, & Brown..you realize Obama already turned down 2 requests by Sarkozy for a private meeting? ..the one man in europe who was willing to add troops as was brown during the bush administration .. Does that make sense? wouldnt you be wining and dining those 3 so you can get maximum troops ?? ..forget merkel .. but brown and sarkozy as bush shown us will give troops ..Obama not even trying .. so when he asked for stimulus ..europe declined him again ..

Back to my point europe wouldnt exist today if not for our blood .. the poles would not be free .. nor would the chechs .. Obama lied in germany last summer when he said the world came together to tear down the berlin wall .. No the world did not come together ..it was Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and the Pope .. what you dont see is when Reagan did speak to the Communist people and went after the evil empire ..the socialist left in free democratic europe rioted ..yep there were riots, the american lefties called him a war mongerer ..the euro intellectuals hated reagan .. they were just reacting out of FEAR .. see alot of people thought Reagan was nuts to go after the communists after all there was a hell of alot more at stake than a little country like Iraq .. Russia in their prime was no joke .. and because of Reagan and thatcher all those free european countires today like poland can now govern themselves and the poles are great allies .. it was even more disgusting that Obama was willing to throw them under the bus before even meeting with Putin .. hew was willing to give up the shield .. do you know what type of risks some in poland took to sign that deal with us? .. and Obama just willing to give it up ..the Russians then humiliated Obama by making it public.. i dont see Arrogance in the cold war .. I dont see arrogance when i look at normandy at all the dead US soldiers who saved europe from hitler...

As for the middle east appeasement never worked ..again Barry addresses the Mullahs but unlike Bush he never addresses the people of Iran or speaks of their oppression .. he was silent after the backwards rape law was passed in afghanistan after all of Laura Bush & Hillarys work in afghanistan .. Hillary refused to condem China on human rights violations..Bush allways spoke out ... it seems that democrats and liberals today have absolutly no regard for human rights .. the oppressed ..and enslaved .. its like they dont exist ..

Again appeasement and closing your eyes and mouth to tyranny will only breed massive aggression, hostility and much more human rights abuse ..

As much as people hate Bush he liberated alot of muslims ..Iraq seems to be adjusting and totally EMBRACING democratic rule ..There were lots of advances for women in Afghanistan up until this new draconian law was passed since Obama took over.. but again its up to those people to embrace it ..democracy can not be imposed ..you cant force someone to vote at gunpoint or have a independant press ..only the people can choose to do so .


So now i guess the startegy of Obama is bad mouyth your own country, apologize for it, dont bring up any atrocities of gulags, pogroms, holocausts, concentration camps .. yes all those wonderful things europe gave to the world lmao ..yet we are the bad guys ... hey dont mention the stonings and torture in the middle east either.. nah man we need to apologize .. this guy is a fuckin joke

[CYBOUNCER]

Poor choice of words on my part. By imposing our will, I meant we've pretty much done what we want in recent history and have been fairly close minded about world opinion.

[metfan85]

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Writes (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026239.html) Abdullah:


I wanted to drop you a note on a Muslim perspective of the bow. I've visited a few Republican blogs regarding the bow, and most of them are offensive and ignorant. Ignorant in that more than a few are bringing up the secret Muslim accusations which only display a lack of even remedial knowledge of the religion.

Now, Obama's been globe-trotting and claiming his youthful experience in a Muslim land has given him a greater understanding of Islam. Clearly, this is not true as it is STRICTLY forbidden to bow to anyone (or thing) but God in Islam. To top that off, he bowed to perhaps the least respected leader in the eyes of most Muslims/Arabs.

It's not really an epiphany that he's not well versed (or honest) in yet another subject. After all, it seems, at least in my adult life, that the only requirement to become an elected official is to be a good actor. Maybe not even good.

Not that you would know the difference between holding a hand and bowing, sadel. I know I for one would not bow to anything or anyone but Christ.

few things about this trip,


you can not impose democracy ..you can impose communism , nazism, fascism, ..but a democracy only works if the people vote, and let a free and independant press exist ..

So you're saying that a majority of people can not elect a totalitarian government? You're a better study of history than to let ideology get in the way.


As much as people hate Bush he liberated alot of muslims ..Iraq seems to be adjusting and totally EMBRACING democratic rule ..
Only at the cost of a few hundred thousand muslims. I guess being dead makes you free of earthly burdens.

Iraq seems to be embracing the idea that if we send more people to the polls we can get out people in power. Iraq should have been split in three, left along would have been the best choice but sick maniacs in the white house disagreed and they have the guns.

[just b u]

few things about this trip,

you can not impose democracy ..you can impose communism , nazism, fascism, ..but a democracy only works if the people vote, and let a free and independant press exist ..it may not be as free as this republic or a democratic socialized europe but none the less we spilled alot of fuckin blood for europe .. Obama goes there and they gave him NO TROOPS for afghanistan .. Now i was told the world gonna love us when bush was gone .. but let me tell you Bush knew how to work Sarkozy, Merkel, & Brown..you realize Obama already turned down 2 requests by Sarkozy for a private meeting? ..the one man in europe who was willing to add troops as was brown during the bush administration .. Does that make sense? wouldnt you be wining and dining those 3 so you can get maximum troops ?? ..forget merkel .. but brown and sarkozy as bush shown us will give troops ..Obama not even trying .. so when he asked for stimulus ..europe declined him again ..

Back to my point europe wouldnt exist today if not for our blood .. the poles would not be free .. nor would the chechs .. Obama lied in germany last summer when he said the world came together to tear down the berlin wall .. No the world did not come together ..it was Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and the Pope .. what you dont see is when Reagan did speak to the Communist people and went after the evil empire ..the socialist left in free democratic europe rioted ..yep there were riots, the american lefties called him a war mongerer ..the euro intellectuals hated reagan .. they were just reacting out of FEAR .. see alot of people thought Reagan was nuts to go after the communists after all there was a hell of alot more at stake than a little country like Iraq .. Russia in their prime was no joke .. and because of Reagan and thatcher all those free european countires today like poland can now govern themselves and the poles are great allies .. it was even more disgusting that Obama was willing to throw them under the bus before even meeting with Putin .. hew was willing to give up the shield .. do you know what type of risks some in poland took to sign that deal with us? .. and Obama just willing to give it up ..the Russians then humiliated Obama by making it public.. i dont see Arrogance in the cold war .. I dont see arrogance when i look at normandy at all the dead US soldiers who saved europe from hitler...

As for the middle east appeasement never worked ..again Barry addresses the Mullahs but unlike Bush he never addresses the people of Iran or speaks of their oppression .. he was silent after the backwards rape law was passed in afghanistan after all of Laura Bush & Hillarys work in afghanistan .. Hillary refused to condem China on human rights violations..Bush allways spoke out ... it seems that democrats and liberals today have absolutly no regard for human rights .. the oppressed ..and enslaved .. its like they dont exist ..

Again appeasement and closing your eyes and mouth to tyranny will only breed massive aggression, hostility and much more human rights abuse ..

As much as people hate Bush he liberated alot of muslims ..Iraq seems to be adjusting and totally EMBRACING democratic rule ..There were lots of advances for women in Afghanistan up until this new draconian law was passed since Obama took over.. but again its up to those people to embrace it ..democracy can not be imposed ..you cant force someone to vote at gunpoint or have a independant press ..only the people can choose to do so .


So now i guess the startegy of Obama is bad mouyth your own country, apologize for it, dont bring up any atrocities of gulags, pogroms, holocausts, concentration camps .. yes all those wonderful things europe gave to the world lmao ..yet we are the bad guys ... hey dont mention the stonings and torture in the middle east either.. nah man we need to apologize .. this guy is a fuckin joke
WOW NOW THAT IS BEAUTIFULLY SAID.
Agree on all points. Liberals always scream the loudest on how they're the most forward and against atrocities going on in the world but in the end of the day, they just scream but dont do anything about it. Wasnt it Bush who was pushing for the Rwanda genocide to be focused on and addressed, his wife focused on the attrocities that the muslim world was imposing on their women, and look at this liberal gov't we have who doesnt speak out about the tyranny of China, the new laws being passed in Afghanistan, and embracing the mullahs wtfff. basically i'm just reiterating what you're saying.

This bowing to Saudi prince is a disgrace, it brings me back to the issue of Barack Hussein Obama being close to his Muslim roots. How the media was vehemently denying it, and if you called him Hussein you'd be called prejudice. This incident just shows me that his beliefs sway to the muslim side.

On top of that why in the world would you refuse to go to Normandy with Sarkozy but you bow to the prince of Saudi Arabia, now that's a scary thought. his loyalty lies with a corrupt muslim country rather than with Sarkozy and going to the graves of the brave American soldiers, what a spit in the face.

A speech he gave recently, i forgot where, he kept on going on and on how muslims influenced US!?!? Whattt, how the hell did Muslims influence US. All I see from most Muslims who move here is movement against assimilating to the culture, disrespect to the culture and pple of US. More precisely, i'm talking about arabic muslims.

[metfan85]

This bowing to Saudi prince is a disgrace, it brings me back to the issue of Barack Hussein Obama being close to his Muslim roots. How the media was vehemently denying it, and if you called him Hussein you'd be called prejudice. This incident just shows me that his beliefs sway to the muslim side.


NO. If I had more time I'd go into the rest of the post, but this is wrong, 100%. In Islam you submit only to Allah, not to an earthly Prince. This shows he's a clueless Chicago machine politician, not a secret practitioner of Islam out to convert or kill you.

[jameznyhc]

Writes (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026239.html) Abdullah:


I wanted to drop you a note on a Muslim perspective of the bow. I've visited a few Republican blogs regarding the bow, and most of them are offensive and ignorant. Ignorant in that more than a few are bringing up the secret Muslim accusations which only display a lack of even remedial knowledge of the religion.

Now, Obama's been globe-trotting and claiming his youthful experience in a Muslim land has given him a greater understanding of Islam. Clearly, this is not true as it is STRICTLY forbidden to bow to anyone (or thing) but God in Islam. To top that off, he bowed to perhaps the least respected leader in the eyes of most Muslims/Arabs.

It's not really an epiphany that he's not well versed (or honest) in yet another subject. After all, it seems, at least in my adult life, that the only requirement to become an elected official is to be a good actor. Maybe not even good.

Not that you would know the difference between holding a hand and bowing, sadel. I know I for one would not bow to anything or anyone but Christ.

few things about this trip,



[QUOTE]So you're saying that a majority of people can not elect a totalitarian government? You're a better study of history than to let ideology get in the way.


of course they can if they are fooled like the Cuban and or Venezualans..nobody runs on the issue of locking up journalists and taking over media ..thats why Obama ran as a centrist even in a sophisticated society like America can have the wool pulled over their eyes .. or if the system is totally corrupt like Iran ..


Only at the cost of a few hundred thousand muslims. I guess being dead makes you free of earthly burdens.

few hundred thousand? not even close we dont target civilians ..nor does israel .. it what seperates us from them or you have million upon millions dead ... Sadaam killed alot more than we did thats for damn sure


Iraq seems to be embracing the idea that if we send more people to the polls we can get out people in power. Iraq should have been split in three, left along would have been the best choice but sick maniacs in the white house disagreed and they have the guns.

but were not sending anyone to the polls they choose to vote ..and they voted in large numbers.. who are we to split Iraq into 3 groups ?? that would be imperialist ..let the Iraqi people decide is better than breaking up there country ..if they decide to break into 3 then that will be their fate ..but its better they decide

[jameznyhc]

WOW NOW THAT IS BEAUTIFULLY SAID.
Agree on all points. Liberals always scream the loudest on how they're the most forward and against atrocities going on in the world but in the end of the day, they just scream but dont do anything about it. Wasnt it Bush who was pushing for the Rwanda genocide to be focused on and addressed, his wife focused on the attrocities that the muslim world was imposing on their women, and look at this liberal gov't we have who doesnt speak out about the tyranny of China, the new laws being passed in Afghanistan, and embracing the mullahs wtfff. basically i'm just reiterating what you're saying.

This bowing to Saudi prince is a disgrace, it brings me back to the issue of Barack Hussein Obama being close to his Muslim roots. How the media was vehemently denying it, and if you called him Hussein you'd be called prejudice. This incident just shows me that his beliefs sway to the muslim side.

On top of that why in the world would you refuse to go to Normandy with Sarkozy but you bow to the prince of Saudi Arabia, now that's a scary thought. his loyalty lies with a corrupt muslim country rather than with Sarkozy and going to the graves of the brave American soldiers, what a spit in the face.

A speech he gave recently, i forgot where, he kept on going on and on how muslims influenced US!?!? Whattt, how the hell did Muslims influence US. All I see from most Muslims who move here is movement against assimilating to the culture, disrespect to the culture and pple of US. More precisely, i'm talking about arabic muslims.


Yes Bush and the Republican congress first recognized Darfur as genocide .. The Village voice tried slamming bush cause he was trying to make this a muslim vs christian issue in darfur ..about 2 years later is when the left finally started speaking up

Why would he refuse to go to normandy ?? because he believes we are arrogant i guess ? .. i mean to decline an invitation by Sarkozy to go visit Normandy is beyond comprehension .. when the next time you ever gonna have a french president like sarkozy willing to help out America? .. Barry has no clue ..he wants to be liked so desperatly he willing to slag his own country to score brownie points .. but being liked and being respected go hand in hand .. barry hasnt learned that ..

[metfan85]

of course they can if they are fooled like the Cuban and or Venezualans..nobody runs on the issue of locking up journalists and taking over media ..thats why Obama ran as a centrist even in a sophisticated society like America can have the wool pulled over their eyes .. or if the system is totally corrupt like Iran ..

because the masses are asses. how is Iran's system any worse than ours?


few hundred thousand? not even close we dont target civilians ..nor does israel .. it what seperates us from them or you have million upon millions dead ... Sadaam killed alot more than we did thats for damn sure

We might not target civilians, but if you were killed by an accidental USAF bomb, would you care that they didn't mean to kill you and your family? For some reason I doubt it.

And I don't believe that rabble rouser Bibi Netanyahu for a minute when he says he doesn't target civilians. Anytime you bomb a school with 30 kids and 2 accused terrorists, you're targeting the children for death.


but were not sending anyone to the polls they choose to vote ..and they voted in large numbers.. who are we to split Iraq into 3 groups ?? that would be imperialist ..let the Iraqi people decide is better than breaking up there country ..if they decide to break into 3 then that will be their fate ..but its better they decide
WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT? Dude the imperialists set up Iraq. and going in and changing their government is not impoerialist. what hypocrisy in that statement, I really can't believe that.
I'm really in shock man.

[jameznyhc]

[QUOTE]because the masses are asses. how is Iran's system any worse than ours?

its a theocracy so there no checks and balances ..they are not a democracy ..they dont have a free press.. or freedom of speech


]We might not target civilians, but if you were killed by an accidental USAF bomb, would you care that they didn't mean to kill you and your family? For some reason I doubt it.

if someone is killed by friendly fire due you execute the other soldier? of course not .. in war horrible things happen .. but they choose to target women and children ..we dont


And I don't believe that rabble rouser Bibi Netanyahu for a minute when he says he doesn't target civilians. Anytime you bomb a school with 30 kids and 2 accused terrorists, you're targeting the children for death.

gotta disagree even thee massive gaza offensive they didnt even kill 0.01 % of the population its very difficult to be as precise as they were in such a narrow and condensed area as gaza .. if they chose to they could have wiped gaza off the face of the map .. besides the offensive they are excellent when it comes to killing the terrorists specifically ..this is how we should be doing it in afghanistan insstead of sending 20k into a guerilla war .. do you think Obama targets pakistani civilians? of course not .. in war its collatiral damage .. but we can learn to be more precise from the israelis ..


WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT? Dude the imperialists set up Iraq. and going in and changing their government is not impoerialist. what hypocrisy in that statement, I really can't believe that.
I'm really in shock man

whenever you go to war you win it by defeating the country your fighting against .. of course the govt will change as the govt in germany and japan changed after ww2 .. but the people decide not the US .. again its not our business to split iraq into 3 ..its their own business .. we didnt force them to vote they chose too ..

[Bekim...]

and this morning he kneels before ZOD.... wow shame on him :disgusted:disgusted:disgusted


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[DINO nYc]

The President of the United States bowed......... once again for all you libs on the board, the President of the United States BOWED. I don't give a fuck who he was meeting - THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AKA LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD SHOULD NOT BOW FOR ANYONE.

[DINO nYc]

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Hey momo, two men holding hands is a sign of respect and friendship in the Middle East.

[jameznyhc]

Hey momo, two men holding hands is a sign of respect and friendship in the Middle East.

Saddle doesnt get it.. respect and subserviant are worlds apart.. the man has zero protocal skills someone should tell him

A) never bow to muslim polticians

B) dont touch the Queen or give her an ipod

C) accept invitations from allies like sarkozy

D) when a soldier salutes you a commander in chief you salute back .. MoMo Barry had no clue and tried shaking a servicemens hand when he saluted Obama ..

its really fuckin embarassing

[crazyray™]

i'll be honest with you, this is so sad it's almost funny

[Rover]

we've been bowing to the saudis for decades....dont really see the issue here.

[DINO nYc]

i'll be honest with you, this is so sad it's almost funny

I agree.

[darius]

we've been bowing to the saudis for decades....dont really see the issue here.

for real . . . we've done everything short fluffing the Saudi royals for the last 30 years (and actually, i'm not sure even that hasn't happened behind the scenes), and now suddenly a few extra degrees in his posture are a massive presidential infringement? i must have missed that section of the Constitution. really?

btw, Adbullah isn't any more a politician than the Queen of England -- now go sit in time-out for being a nuisance.


and something i found on another forum from someone else captures my feelings on this to the tee:

It's common courtesy. Even the bow that is specifically muslim just means peace be with you, it being treated like some kind of blatant gesture of submission just shows how pathetic the education of most Americans are, not to mention how naive they are to fall for the hype. Wake up, read a book, learn about different cultures. this is a waste of time....They know it's just a common gesture of courtesy. People are so ignorant. Typical republican approach. Count on the hype and the scare tactics to freak everyone out about nothing, and hope you grab enough mind numbingly stupid followers to vote conservative as a kneejerk reaction.

[jameznyhc]

we've been bowing to the saudis for decades....dont really see the issue here.

it was a terrible breach of protocal ..symbolism means alot and so do customs

secondly i thought Obama was about real change..what happened?

[Rover]

maybe he shouldve karate kicked Prince Saud in the temple..would that appease u? then the Saudis could pull out all the money they have invested in America..and then we could party like its 1929.

i'm not saying what he did is right..but i dont get the point of making a big fucking deal. we've been @ the feet of the Saudis for decades..whats a bow gona change?

[DINO nYc]

for real . . . we've done everything short fluffing the Saudi royals for the last 30 years (and actually, i'm not sure even that hasn't happened behind the scenes), and now suddenly a few extra degrees in his posture are a massive presidential infringement? i must have missed that section of the Constitution. really?

btw, Adbullah isn't any more a politician than the Queen of England -- now go sit in time-out for being a nuisance.

We all know we roll hand in hand with the Saudis. Symbolism has been key for Obama, thus making this a huge error on his part.

[jameznyhc]

maybe he shouldve karate kicked Prince Saud in the temple..would that appease u? then the Saudis could pull out all the money they have invested in America..and then we could party like its 1929.

i'm not saying what he did is right..but i dont get the point of making a big fucking deal. we've been @ the feet of the Saudis for decades..whats a bow gona change?

just makes it seem like he has no clue and that he being subserviant .. again why arent we kickin them to the fuckin curb? one of the things i hated most about Bush was his relatiobnship with the Saudis it was such a double standard ..what have they done for us besides funnel in $$$ for radical college courses and madrassas and terrorists ???

[Benny B]

but wait the whitehouse said it wasnt a bow! so what you posted darius would make no point if infact it wasnt a bow. you all act like its no big deal. fact is. as the leader of the free world.. you bow to nobody. you shake hands like what is expected..

[DINO nYc]

maybe he shouldve karate kicked Prince Saud in the temple..would that appease u? then the Saudis could pull out all the money they have invested in America..and then we could party like its 1929.

i'm not saying what he did is right..but i dont get the point of making a big fucking deal. we've been @ the feet of the Saudis for decades..whats a bow gona change?

Every little move Bushy made was scrutinized. It should be no different for Obama, as we MUST recognize all mistakes our President makes. Like I said before in a previous post, the man is human and is going to screw up from time to time, it's inevitable. The fact that Democrats fail to recognize it or acknowledge it is whats disturbing.

[jameznyhc]

maybe he shouldve karate kicked Prince Saud in the temple..would that appease u? then the Saudis could pull out all the money they have invested in America..and then we could party like its 1929.

i'm not saying what he did is right..but i dont get the point of making a big fucking deal. we've been @ the feet of the Saudis for decades..whats a bow gona change?

oh rover are you lost in the woods again my man .. not sure but let me update you ..THE WHITE HOUSE DENIED he bowed .. thats why its a big story .. kind of insulting to think we are this dumb

[Benny B]

oh rover are you lost in the woods again my man .. not sure but let me update you ..THE WHITE HOUSE DENIED he bowed .. thats why its a big story .. kind of insulting to think we are this dumb

and why would the whitehouse deny it.. ohh maybe because they can see it as a weakness too?? huhhh?? nowayyy not the whitehouse

[jameznyhc]

Every little move Bushy made was scrutinized. It should be no different for Obama, as we MUST recognize all mistakes our President makes. Like I said before in a previous post, the man is human and is going to screw up from time to time, it's inevitable. The fact that Democrats fail to recognize it or acknowledge it is whats disturbing.

and when you screw up it makes it worse when you try to lie about it lol .. just say hey i need practice when it comes to protocal lol

[jameznyhc]

and why would the whitehouse deny it.. ohh maybe because they can see it as a weakness too?? huhhh?? nowayyy not the whitehouse

:chuckle:chuckle

[DINO nYc]

The White House said Obama was too tall and leaned over to shake hands. I don't know about you guys, but from the looks of the vid he leaned in so far he could have shook hands with.............

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ADVG/390~Mini-Me-Goldmember-Posters.jpg

[DINO nYc]

and when you screw up it makes it worse when you try to lie about it lol .. just say hey i need practice when it comes to protocal lol

It would have been a non issue if they took that route - instead we get cover-ups and lies.

[jameznyhc]

It would have been a non issue if they took that route - instead we get cover-ups and lies.

exactly

[darius]

but wait the whitehouse said it wasnt a bow! so what you posted darius would make no point if infact it wasnt a bow. you all act like its no big deal. fact is. as the leader of the free world.. you bow to nobody. you shake hands like what is expected..

i don't speak for the whitehouse, so i don't know. i'm fully aware and completely accept that this administration is not divorced from "spinning" things -- that's the fundamental nature of US politics. it's going to take many years of a heightened education of Americans and a significant maturity in our political landscape to do away with that. but a bow or non-bow does not change actual policy. when i was in Tae Kwon Do, i used to bow to someone before i kicked their ass. symbolic yes . . . a show of submission? hardly.

[Benny B]

i don't speak for the whitehouse, so i don't know. i'm fully aware and completely accept that this administration is not divorced from "spinning" things -- that's the fundamental nature of US politics. it's going to take many years of a heightened education of Americans and a significant maturity in our political landscape to do away with that. but a bow or non-bow does not change actual policy. when i was in Tae Kwon Do, i used to bow to someone before i kicked their ass. symbolic yes . . . a show of submission? hardly.

correct me if im wrong.. but when you fighting tae kwon do there is a mutual bow. meaning a mutual respect.. i would say there is a major difference when one bows and the other does not.. meaning one is submitting? no?

[jameznyhc]

i don't speak for the whitehouse, so i don't know. i'm fully aware and completely accept that this administration is not divorced from "spinning" things -- that's the fundamental nature of US politics. it's going to take many years of a heightened education of Americans and a significant maturity in our political landscape to do away with that. but a bow or non-bow does not change actual policy. when i was in Tae Kwon Do, i used to bow to someone before i kicked their ass. symbolic yes . . . a show of submission? hardly.

spin or striaght up lying like all his campaign promises? .. this wouldnt have blown up if the whitehouse didnt lie

[Rover]

oh rover are you lost in the woods again my man .. not sure but let me update you ..THE WHITE HOUSE DENIED he bowed .. thats why its a big story .. kind of insulting to think we are this dumb

bc its their job to spin things...? isnt that the point?

again..making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[joeballz420]

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[jameznyhc]

bc its their job to spin things...? isnt that the point?

again..making a mountain out of a mole hill.

no we were told Obama gonna bring change WE CAN BELIEVE in .. thats the point ... This administration committed a fraud on the public.. they actually believed Obama was an outsider and a centrist ..they believed he would end the war in Iraq.. they believed he was going to scrap nafta.. they belived he was going to drill and explore nuclear energy..they believed 95% of americans were going to get a tax cut ..thats why he was elected .. not too triple george bush spending in 90 days and raise taxes on everyone..and take control of private industry and fire ceo's

[joeylima]

I dont really have an issue with the bow...whatever he made a mistake...no big deal.

The issue is that the whiitehouse is lying about it...how dumb do they think we are lol

[darius]

correct me if im wrong.. but when you fighting tae kwon do there is a mutual bow. meaning a mutual respect.. i would say there is a major difference when one bows and the other does not.. meaning one is submitting? no?

depends on the culture . . . in the TKD setting, its a mutual bow, but not a requirement. there have been plenty of times i sparred someone i didn't bow to and instead just gave a slight nod of the head, not because of a feeling of submission but because of my own lack of respect for that particular person. perhaps by western eyes and cultural interpretations it comes as shocking symbol of submission and by eastern standards, perhaps something entirely different, no?

[darius]

spin or striaght up lying like all his campaign promises? .. this wouldnt have blown up if the whitehouse didnt lie

who was the last completely honest and forthcoming head of state that delivered on every campaign promise in the first 100 days of his presidency???? who set this precedent for all subsequent presidents to follow??? i mean, isn't it the nature of the of the business??? please tell me you don't take every candidates' word & promise at face value? jeez jamez, if you need help climbing up from under that rock, just holler -- i'll get my shovel.

[metfan85]

i don't speak for the whitehouse, so i don't know. i'm fully aware and completely accept that this administration is not divorced from "spinning" things -- that's the fundamental nature of US politics. it's going to take many years of a heightened education of Americans and a significant maturity in our political landscape to do away with that. but a bow or non-bow does not change actual policy. when i was in Tae Kwon Do, i used to bow to someone before i kicked their ass. symbolic yes . . . a show of submission? hardly.

I expected you of all people to know the difference between a bow in the Orient versus a bow in the Middle East. The only time one bows in the Muslim world is when praying to Allah, not to any worldly figure.

[darius]

ya know if Barack Obama had knelt to the floor, lifted up Abdullah's robe and proceeded to perform fellatio for the entire world to see, i would have stood up, clapped my hands in thunderous applause that FINALLY, an American President who is showing the world the God's honest truth of how it really is.

in those old clips of Bush holding Abdullah's hand, Dubya is actually settling for the handshake when in actuality, he's thinking handjob all the way.

[darius]

I expected you of all people to know the difference between a bow in the Orient versus a bow in the Middle East. The only time one bows in the Muslim world is when praying to Allah, not to any worldly figure.

and you've been a muslim, raised in a middle-east household for how long?

as for bowing during prayer, bowing is done low enough that hands are place just below the knees, with your body in a 90-degree or less angle, followed by bowing with forehead touching the floor.

[jameznyhc]

who was the last completely honest and forthcoming head of state that delivered on every campaign promise in the first 100 days of his presidency???? who set this precedent for all subsequent presidents to follow??? i mean, isn't it the nature of the of the business??? please tell me you don't take every candidates' word & promise at face value? jeez jamez, if you need help climbing up from under that rock, just holler -- i'll get my shovel.

i didnt see Rudy Giuliani buckle in Americas most liberal city he fulfiled every pledge from cutting taxes, govt, spending, welfare reform, crime, balanced the budget, brought in surplus, he didnt change his position to please the pro lifers either thats who i supported .. not the bailout man McCain ..



.George Bush SR lost an election based on one flipflop "no new taxes read my lips" .. people still remeber that flipflop 20 years later and he paid the biggest price ..

I can understand maybe a populist issue or two .. but not an entire platform thats ridiculous

[jameznyhc]

and you've been a muslim, raised in a middle-east household for how long?

as for bowing during prayer, bowing is done low enough that hands are place just below the knees, with your body in a 90-degree or less angle, followed by bowing with forehead touching the floor.

whats that got to do with anything? you know he is correct

[jameznyhc]

ya know if Barack Obama had knelt to the floor, lifted up Abdullah's robe and proceeded to perform fellatio for the entire world to see, i would have stood up, clapped my hands in thunderous applause that FINALLY, an American President who is showing the world the God's honest truth of how it really is.

in those old clips of Bush holding Abdullah's hand, Dubya is actually settling for the handshake when in actuality, he's thinking handjob all the way.


at least he didnt try to hide it and lie about lol .. besides i thought it was republican oil men in saudi pockets .. whats a left wing human rights enviromentalist kissing ass for?

[jameznyhc]

who was the last completely honest and forthcoming head of state that delivered on every campaign promise in the first 100 days of his presidency???? who set this precedent for all subsequent presidents to follow??? i mean, isn't it the nature of the of the business??? please tell me you don't take every candidates' word & promise at face value? jeez jamez, if you need help climbing up from under that rock, just holler -- i'll get my shovel.

better yet name another head of state who broke so many campaign promises in his first 100 days??? he is the most polarizing president in our history ..the gap never been biger ..even after Bush's court case in 2000 we had less division

[TrippinFace101]

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[Bekim...]

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[TrippinFace101]

hey im just asking

I dont care but yeah hes a pussy nuff said

[Bekim...]

I dont care but yeah hes a pussy nuff said

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[metfan85]

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[TrippinFace101]

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[sadelb]

Lol I can't believe you guys are making such a big deal out of this. That is what's sad in my opinion.

[ShaE]

The President of the United States bowed......... once again for all you libs on the board, the President of the United States BOWED. I don't give a fuck who he was meeting - THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AKA LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD SHOULD NOT BOW FOR ANYONE.
what do you associate with bowing that is so abhorrent?

in some cultures it's a sign of respect, if you're an elected official you cannot show respect to another person? are you above everyone in the known world?

essentially you're saying being the president entitles him to assume supremacy over anybody & not need to show respect in whatever cultural fashion?

should not bow for anyone? HE'S A MAN, not a god.

[TrippinFace101]

Lol I can't believe you guys are making such a big deal out of this. That is what's sad in my opinion.

Would you bow down to a king esp in the time we are in .

[David Nights]

you guys are looking way into everything

[TrippinFace101]

you guys are looking way into everything

Bill Clinton never did that

[David Nights]

Bill Clinton never did that

bill clinton never did alot of things

[ShaE]

I'm not saying i agree w/ him bowing in this instance, but to say "the president of america bows to no one"??

like one leader cannot respectfully acknowledge another? talk about arrogance.
a bow doesn't have to imply servitude lol

[TrippinFace101]

I'm not saying i agree w/ him bowing in this instance, but to say "the president of america bows to no one"??

like one leader cannot respectfully acknowledge another? talk about arrogance.
a bow doesn't have to imply servitude lol

If Bush did it you guys would be rippin him apart and then Snl would make o spoff of it. Double standards lol

[Defekted]

Beyond retarded, most of these comments in this thread.

He takes a bow to the king of S.A., he kisses zarkozy on both cheeks, he gives a firm shake to gordon brown, and im sure he does an eskimo kiss to native american leaders in Alaska..... its called being a diplomat, a politican. Obama is in the midst of trying to fix our economy, which in essence means the world economy, the mideast peace process, global warming, iran nuclear ambitions, 2 actives wars (one ramping down and one ramping up), etc etc etc...... in order to do all these things effectively (a tall order considering the MAMMOUTH size of any one of those issues) he has to play the game on the world stage.... rub balls here, charm skirts there, etc etc etc.... at the end of the day, this hard ass cowboy shit never works.... only thing that accomplishes is a 20% approval rating here at home and maybe 3% abroad.... its pathetic......

obama is, in front of our eyes, gaining the confidence and support of the international community and here at home. He is an activist president, working round the clock to tackle issues most presidents dont come near in years, he does in the first 100 days....

you can take all the "tea party" conservatives who shake in their boots with obama's budget and his bowing and put them in my living room..... cause at the end of the day its 6 people on NCC and maybe 40 more people scattered out in middle america....... and I am sitting back and just smiling .... happy that we have the leader we do, after the disaster we endured for so many years...... we are only 70 something days in......imagine 7.5 more years...... :) lots of "bowing" and lots of things GETTING DONE - so suck a dick biatches.

[TrippinFace101]

Beyond retarded, most of these comments in this thread.

He takes a bow to the king of S.A., he kisses zarkozy on both cheeks, he gives a firm shake to gordon brown, and im sure he does an eskimo kiss to native american leaders in Alaska..... its called being a diplomat, a politican. Obama is in the midst of trying to fix our economy, which in essence means the world economy, the mideast peace process, global warming, iran nuclear ambitions, 2 actives wars (one ramping down and one ramping up), etc etc etc...... in order to do all these things effectively (a tall order considering the MAMMOUTH size of any one of those issues) he has to play the game on the world stage.... rub balls here, charm skirts there, etc etc etc.... at the end of the day, this hard ass cowboy shit never works.... only thing that accomplishes is a 20% approval rating here at home and maybe 3% abroad.... its pathetic......

obama is, in front of our eyes, gaining the confidence and support of the international community and here at home. He is an activist president, working round the clock to tackle issues most presidents dont come near in years, he does in the first 100 days....

you can take all the "tea party" conservatives who shake in their boots with obama's budget and his bowing and put them in my living room..... cause at the end of the day its 6 people on NCC and maybe 40 more people scattered out in middle america....... and I am sitting back and just smiling .... happy that we have the leader we do, after the disaster we endured for so many years...... we are only 70 something days in......imagine 7.5 more years...... :) lots of "bowing" and lots of things GETTING DONE - so suck a dick biatches.

Hes def doin a 2nd term though like i said im independent i hate everyone cause both sides lie. But we are in this mess together. United I Still Stand :agree

[Defekted]

Hes def doin a 2nd term

As much of a lock as the sun rising tomorrow morning.

[jameznyhc]

Beyond retarded, most of these comments in this thread.

He takes a bow to the king of S.A., he kisses zarkozy on both cheeks, he gives a firm shake to gordon brown, and im sure he does an eskimo kiss to native american leaders in Alaska..... its called being a diplomat, a politican. Obama is in the midst of trying to fix our economy, which in essence means the world economy, the mideast peace process, global warming, iran nuclear ambitions, 2 actives wars (one ramping down and one ramping up), etc etc etc...... in order to do all these things effectively (a tall order considering the MAMMOUTH size of any one of those issues) he has to play the game on the world stage.... rub balls here, charm skirts there, etc etc etc.... at the end of the day, this hard ass cowboy shit never works.... only thing that accomplishes is a 20% approval rating here at home and maybe 3% abroad.... its pathetic......

obama is, in front of our eyes, gaining the confidence and support of the international community and here at home. He is an activist president, working round the clock to tackle issues most presidents dont come near in years, he does in the first 100 days....

you can take all the "tea party" conservatives who shake in their boots with obama's budget and his bowing and put them in my living room..... cause at the end of the day its 6 people on NCC and maybe 40 more people scattered out in middle america....... and I am sitting back and just smiling .... happy that we have the leader we do, after the disaster we endured for so many years...... we are only 70 something days in......imagine 7.5 more years...... :) lots of "bowing" and lots of things GETTING DONE - so suck a dick biatches.


so why did barry lie about it? lol

[ShaE]

If Bush did it you guys would be rippin him apart and then Snl would make o spoff of it. Double standards lol
no, bush did truly dumb shit like wave at blind people, and hold hands, and give back rubs lol

[David Nights]

so why did barry lie about it? lol

seriously, you will do anything to make obama look bad, even if its true or false. put any spin on anything you can find. write monster essays that only 6 people will read, and flood ncc with how much obama is evil and bush was the perfect model for humanity. Now, im not a obama fan. I know he's full of shit. but for the love of god, you not convincing or converting anyone to the other side. your driving me insane on how one sided you are, i dont even thing you realize it. honestly chill the fuck out or get a job at fox

[sadelb]

seriously, you will do anything to make obama look bad, even if its true or false. put any spin on anything you can find. write monster essays that only 6 people will read, and flood ncc with how much obama is evil and bush was the perfect model for humanity. Now, im not a obama fan. I know he's full of shit. but for the love of god, you not convincing or converting anyone to the other side. your driving me insane on how one sided you are, i dont even thing you realize it. honestly chill the fuck out or get a job at fox


:applaud

All he does is post links that are referenced on Drudge. Probably the most right wing news site on the web.

[jameznyhc]

seriously, you will do anything to make obama look bad, even if its true or false. put any spin on anything you can find. write monster essays that only 6 people will read, and flood ncc with how much obama is evil and bush was the perfect model for humanity. Now, im not a obama fan. I know he's full of shit. but for the love of god, you not convincing or converting anyone to the other side. your driving me insane on how one sided you are, i dont even thing you realize it. honestly chill the fuck out or get a job at fox

I didnt vote republican ..in 2006 or 2008 ..never said barry was evil .. i said he fake and full of shit left wing commie ..here the deal why not put me on ignore.. its funny cause you know all about me yet i have no clue who you are .. why not counter my points? instaead of personal attacks on me .. cause your weak and have no argument on policy and or substance

As for false atacks that only hurts your own cause which is why i replied negatively to the "obama deception" thread .. propaganda only backfires ..we dont need michael moores on our side.. all we need to do is critique his POLICY and IDEOLOGY .. and let people decide for themselves .. as for convincing the "other side" i know they wont change ..but independants certainly will

[jameznyhc]

:applaud

All he does is post links that are referenced on Drudge. Probably the most right wing news site on the web.

do i need to blow you uip again and incl;ude all the left wing links on drudge again lol

[TrippinFace101]

As much of a lock as the sun rising tomorrow morning.

All good kid ill keep my guns money and freedom and you can keep the CHANGE lol j/k.

http://www.deathrowtshirts.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=KEEP THE CHANGE

[sadelb]

do i need to blow you uip again and incl;ude all the left wing links on drudge again lol

Your not understanding the point about drudge. They pick and choose any link they can find that shows Obama in a negative light. Thats all they do. They would never put a positive article about Obama on Drudge. Do I need to spell this out for you? Who cares if they put a link from a paper toward the left. Its the fact that the only reason why Drudge picked this link to put on their site is because it shows Obama in a NEGATIVE light. How hard is is this for you to understand. Its the most right winged website on the internet. Matt Drudge is an outspoken republican.

[jameznyhc]

Your not understanding the point about drudge. They pick and choose any link they can find that shows Obama in a negative light. Thats all they do. They would never put a positive article about Obama on Drudge. Do I need to spell this out for you? Who cares if they put a link from a paper toward the left. Its the fact that the only reason why Drudge picked this link to put on their site is because it shows Obama in a NEGATIVE light. How hard is is this for you to understand. Its the most right winged website on the internet. Matt Drudge is an outspoken republican.

your saying its more right wing than Newsmax? ... rightwing publications would not provide links to the most hardcore left wing columinists and papers such as drudge ..secondly he allways has left wing papers such as NY Times listed as headlines .. thats why he gets so many hits and why his website the most popular in the country wouldnt you agree?? why do you thinks he gets so much more traffic than any other news site?? ... for instance when you sign onto to yahoo or aol they will have the same exact links drudge has so you sound silly saying he the most rightwing news site when there is zero commentary and links to all those leftists

also what about all the negative links he provided about Bush the last 4 years?? lol .. you really have no clue ..

its like fox .. sure oreilly and hannity lean right .. yet they allways inviyte a leftist for debates ..you will never see that on olberman or stewart

[sadelb]

your saying its more right wing than Newsmax? ... rightwing publications would not provide links to the most hardcore left wing columinists and papers such as drudge ..secondly he allways has left wing papers such as NY Times listed as headlines .. thats why he gets so many hits and why his website the most popular in the country wouldnt you agree?? why do you thinks he gets so much more traffic than any other news site?? ... for instance when you sign onto to yahoo or aol they will have the same exact links drudge has so you sound silly saying he the most rightwing news site when there is zero commentary and links to all those leftists

also what about all the negative links he provided about Bush the last 4 years?? lol .. you really have no clue ..

its like fox .. sure oreilly and hannity lean right .. yet they allways inviyte a leftist for debates ..you will never see that on olberman or stewart

whoaaa timeout... Drudge is so much more unfair toward Obama than they were toward Bush. Its not even close. I mean they talk about Michelle Obama's makeup person today lol. Its ridiculous. They will pinpoint some of the dumbest things. Oh yeah, and they are not the number 1 news website. They are number 7 or 8 behind CNN, Yahoo, and FOX News.

And please dont tell me O'Reilly has "fair" debates with democrats. I watch O'Reilly almost every night. When he does have a democrat on he hardly lets them talk. I dont watch Olberman. CNN is my station of choice. They are the most balanced out of any station on tv. CNN ALWAYS has 2 or 3 guest republican commentaries who all get their time to talk. Not like O'Reilly where he gives the guy 3 or 4 minutes and interrupts him after every sentence.

[jameznyhc]

whoaaa timeout... Drudge is so much more unfair toward Obama than they were toward Bush. Its not even close. I mean they talk about Michelle Obama's makeup person today lol. Its ridiculous. They will pinpoint some of the dumbest things. Oh yeah, and they are not the number 1 news website. They are number 7 or 8 behind CNN, Yahoo, and FOX News.

And please dont tell me O'Reilly has "fair" debates with democrats. I watch O'Reilly almost every night. When he does have a democrat on he hardly lets them talk. I dont watch Olberman. CNN is my station of choice. They are the most balanced out of any station on tv. CNN ALWAYS has 2 or 3 guest republican commentaries who all get their time to talk. Not like O'Reilly where he gives the guy 3 or 4 minutes and interrupts him after every sentence.

and drudge would report on bush daughters drinkin and his verbal flubs.. there were many negative bush links cause bush got no positive press his last 4 years with the exception of the surge ...

what conservatives do you see on CNN? ..lmao .. Oreilly makes it a POINT to let his guests speak and he debated some the most popular leftists in country .. i never see that on the other stations

[ShaE]

a bush verbal flub is "bring it on" to terrorists.

pretty significant if you ask me.