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joeyjoey
01-13-2004, 09:55 PM
Did anyone stockpile ephedra before the ban? I rarely use it, but I bought a few big bottles to last me a while.



Utah customers stockpile ephedra supplements in face of ban

The federal government's coming ban on the stimulant ephedra has led to a run on the supplement in Utah, where companies are straining to meet demand.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Dec. 30 warned consumers to immediately stop taking any dietary supplement containing ephedrine - also known as ephedra or Ma huang - and told the three Utah companies that manufacture the supplements they must stop production within 60 days after the ban is officially put in place.

Customers are stockpiling diet pills in advance of the ban, expected to go into effect early this year.

"Our sales have gone through the roof," said Kelly Harvey, vice president of TSN Labs Inc. in Murray, where one-third of total sales are ephedra products. "Ephedra is a product that works, and people like it. We will continue to sell it up until the last minute we are able to."

The ephedra ban stems from scores of dangerous reactions and several deaths attributed to the supplement, which also is marketed as an energy booster.

Nationwide, more than 60 companies make products affected by the ban. The three Utah companies that manufacture ephedra-based supplements are Basic Research and subsidiaries in Salt Lake City, TSN Labs in Murray and Nutraceutical Corp. in Park City.

Last year, TSN Labs introduced ephedra-free versions of its weight-loss supplements after a number of retailers sent the company's ephedra-based products back due to the bad publicity about the supplement and asked for ephedra-free replacements.

The switch was costly, Harvey said, noting that the company had to cope with about a three-month period when both products were off the shelf. Harvey said he worries about how well ephedra-free weight loss supplements will sell. He also worries about other bans.

"We've diversified enough that we can get over this," Harvey said. "But are they going to knock off more herbal remedies, one by one?"

Like other supplement manufacturers, Harvey said he can't understand why the FDA would ban ephedra.

"We've been selling the product for 12 years," he said. "During that time we've never had a medical claim."

Over the past couple of years, the owners of Basic Research in Salt Lake City began to worry about the future prospects of their weight loss pills containing ephedra. Basic Research, which was founded in 1992, used to sell ephedra-based weight loss supplements at stores such as GNC.

"Our ephedra products used to make up a sizeable portion of our business," he said.

As complaints lodged with the FDA about ephedra mounted, there were rumors the agency would at some point ban the substance. Some retailers voluntarily pulled ephedra products off the shelves.

Salt Lake City-based Basic Research, which had several highly successful ephedra-based products, quickly formulated and began marketing an ephedra-free weight loss supplement in March 2003.

Rather than stockpiling ephedra, some people who have used it as a weight-loss supplement, such as Chelsey Nelson, have elected to take ephedra-free alternatives.

Nelson, who works in a Bountiful health-food store, took an ephedra-based supplement for about six months last year to lose 25 pounds. Anticipating the ban, she stopped taking it and found a substitute ephedra-free remedy to speed up her metabolism and help her maintain her weight.

"It's the people who took too much, the people who didn't follow the directions who ruined it for everybody," she said. "It's unfortunate."

The Associated Press State & Local Wire, January 12, 2004

SLAVE2THEMUZIK
01-14-2004, 01:10 AM
Yeah I have a shit load now lol :eek:

vman
01-14-2004, 09:34 AM
Same here.

KeLe.GirL
01-14-2004, 09:45 AM
3 big bottles of trim spa here... and I'll start the bidding at $75 a bottle ;)

James Maxx
01-15-2004, 04:31 PM
Just buy it on the internet from another state.

The Kid
01-16-2004, 01:52 PM
Ordering a Kilo next week......

John Kennedy
01-16-2004, 01:53 PM
It's a federal ban, nationwide

vman
01-16-2004, 02:28 PM
dpsnutrition.com has stacker 2's for like 22 bucks for 100 pills.

joeyjoey
01-16-2004, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by John Kennedy
It's a federal ban, nationwide

You can still currently purchase it on the Internet though ;)

John Kennedy
01-16-2004, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by joeyjoey
You can still currently purchase it on the Internet though ;)

Well the ban isn't in effect yet.. so you can buy it anywhere that is willing to still stock it really.

Andy D
01-16-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by KeL
3 big bottles of trim spa here... and I'll start the bidding at $75 a bottle ;)

I thought Trim Spa was ephedra free?

The Kid
01-16-2004, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by andyd
I thought Trim Spa was ephedra free?

They did make a formula that did have the ephedra but it was old. I dont think they have made that in awhile though.

.gene.
01-16-2004, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by John Kennedy
Well the ban isn't in effect yet.. so you can buy it anywhere that is willing to still stock it really.



When does it go into effect?

.gene.
01-16-2004, 06:46 PM
I have a bottle of EPH883, wish they didn't discontinue this stuff, but that's all I saved

KeLe.GirL
01-16-2004, 08:13 PM
can always go to canada and buy it.

EVERYTHING is cheaper there too. Alot of people who are on Medicare and cant afford a secondary insurance for med's (medicare only covers asthma meds) get their med's from canada. They got damn good beer there too... cheap as well.

John Kennedy
01-17-2004, 03:23 AM
Here's the CNN article from December 31:

(CNN) -- Federal officials on Tuesday announced plans to ban dietary supplements containing ephedra because of continued health concerns about the product, and warned consumers not to take products containing the stimulant.

"The time to stop using these products is now," Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson told reporters.

The government has determined that products containing ephedra "present an unreasonable risk of illness or injury," said Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Mark McClellan.

Tuesday's announcement marks the first time U.S. officials have blocked the sale of an over-the-counter nutritional supplement. Unlike drugs, dietary supplements do not have to be proven safe before going on the market, but federal authorities can act to take them off the shelves if they are shown to be unsafe.

The FDA notified 62 companies that market products containing ephedra of the planned ban, and Thompson said he expects manufacturers will file suit to try to block the move.

The FDA also issued a consumer alert warning the public to stop buying and using ephedra immediately. The government will issue a regulation "in a matter of a few weeks" that would make it illegal to sell products containing ephedra within 60 days of that notice, McClellan said.

"Any responsible manufacturer and retailer should stop selling these products as soon as possible," he said.

Ephedra is an herbal supplement that is found in various over-the-counter products designed to help people lose weight or increase their energy, and has long been the subject of criticism.

In February, a medical examiner said an ephedra supplement was linked to the death of Baltimore Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler.

A study commissioned by the National Institutes of Health also called into safety the use of ephedra, saying it was associated with higher risks of heart palpitations, tremors and insomnia.

Industry groups say ephedra is safe when used as directed, and between 12 and 17 million Americans use it each year. The Ephedra Education Council, which is funded by manufacturers and distributors, has supported tougher labeling requirements but opposes a federal ban.

Earlier this year, the EEC told the FDA in a statement that under the FDA's current definition, "There is no question that ephedra supplements that meet current industry standards are safe and provide significant public health benefits for consumers who need to lose weight."

Other studies over the past year have also suggested links to health problems.

The Annals of Internal Medicine reported that, although products with ephedra make up less than 1 percent of dietary supplement sales, it has accounted for 64 percent of the serious side effects that have been reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in association with dietary supplements.

A second study published in the journal Neurology found that the rate of strokes among ephedra users was higher than in nonusers. The supplement users in the study took more than 32 milligrams a day; some ephedra labels recommend almost 100 milligrams daily.

Illinois and New York already have banned the sale of products containing ephedra, and Florida banned ephedra sales to minors in May.

TheHipHopBillGates
01-17-2004, 04:25 AM
I did, and I just got a care package today from a friend who did want 3 bottles she had left.:D

.gene.
01-17-2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by KeL
They got damn good beer there too... cheap as well.


Hell yeah I love Canadian beer, Molson Ice, Labbats Blue, Moosehead

evolution
01-23-2004, 08:23 PM
fuck that. if im going to use a fat burner, use something with some real pharmaceutical strength. Alternate Clenobuterol and T-3.

KeLe.GirL
01-24-2004, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by evolution
fuck that. if im going to use a fat burner, use something with some real pharmaceutical strength. Alternate Clenobuterol and T-3.

clenz makes me crazy

vman
01-24-2004, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by evolution
fuck that. if im going to use a fat burner, use something with some real pharmaceutical strength. Alternate Clenobuterol and T-3. Do you know anything about T-3? First of all T-3 doesnt differentiate between muscle and fat. That should tell you enough. It work best when your on gear.

vman
01-24-2004, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by vman
Do you know anything about T-3? First of all T-3 doesnt differentiate between muscle and fat. That should tell you enough. It work best when your on gear. Dont give out advice like that.

muthaload_
01-24-2004, 01:51 PM
such bullshit, the only reason its banned it becuase it works and the government had to be getting pressure from the pharmaceutical companies. Watch it become a prescription drug soon.