I cannot walk ......

[FAST]

I just started doing legs 3 weeks ago .....and I have been doing them light

yesterday I worked out wiht a buddy and we went all out


squats
seated presses
leg extensions
hamstring extensions
calf rasies


I cannot even walk..i sit for a while then try to get up quickly and it kills

but I love ever fuckign minute of it..it is that GOOD pain ...

[Fierce1]

wow how ironic is that, i just started doing legs again yesterday after skipping them for like the last whole year!

and i purposely tried to not overdo it knowing full well it takes a few weeks back to be able to do a real leg workout and not hobble like a cripple for 3 days afterwards - so i did a nice workout but nothing crazy, yes im sore but only a slight limp not too bad

and yes the sore pain is a real goood pain when its from a leg workout - i kinda missed having it actually

I designated sunday as leg day at the gym from now on (unless i go clubbing, ill do my leg workout on the dancefloor instead)

[Doge]

love hobbling around the office every tues and fri. ppl here don't understand why them come to my desk and i'm stretching

[CanT StanD Ya]

just started doing legs again too after about a one year hiatus. I did them ridiculously light the first day out knowing I'd cripple myself for a good three days if I did otherwise. You definitely have to ease back into it.

[Doge]

sled, hack squats, weighted side lunges, extensions, calves

needless to say i'll be in a wheelchair tomorrow and wednesday

[evolution]

im always at the point where im going to throw up after legs:

squats 6 sets (8-4 reps)
leg presses 5 sets (10-1 reps)
extensions 3 sets (8-4 reps)
leg curls 4 sets (8-4 reps)
stiff legged deadlifts 4 sets (8-4 reps)

occasionally i skip the stiff legged deads cuz i do traditional deadlifts with my back workout.

im still a lightweight, but i think i easily went up about 60 lbs in the squat (also probly about 10 lbs in lean mass) within the last year.

[FAST]

it amzes me ....I work out so hard and I move like my grandma..


it is better today ...I am back at the running so hopefully everything will loosen up some more..


evolution - throwing up after legs is key....first time I ever did them i puked in the gym bathroom....funnist shit ever...I was freaked otu but my boy told me it was normal

[GINZ]

Originally posted by evolution
im always at the point where im going to throw up after legs:

squats 6 sets (8-4 reps)
leg presses 5 sets (10-1 reps)
extensions 3 sets (8-4 reps)
leg curls 4 sets (8-4 reps)
stiff legged deadlifts 4 sets (8-4 reps)

occasionally i skip the stiff legged deads cuz i do traditional deadlifts with my back workout.

im still a lightweight, but i think i easily went up about 60 lbs in the squat (also probly about 10 lbs in lean mass) within the last year.

My workout is similar:
Squats - 4/5 sets
Sled - 4 sets
Stiff Legged deads - 4 sets
Extensions - 4
Calves - 4 sets + 1 killer drop set
Ill trhow in some hamstring curls at the end to burn them out.

The best thing to do to avoid the soreness is to do some light cardio for the next two days. Helps loosen up the muscles and break up the lactic acid.

[FAST]

Originally posted by Ginz
My workout is similar:
Squats - 4/5 sets
Sled - 4 sets
Stiff Legged deads - 4 sets
Extensions - 4
Calves - 4 sets + 1 killer drop set
Ill trhow in some hamstring curls at the end to burn them out.

The best thing to do to avoid the soreness is to do some light cardio for the next two days. Helps loosen up the muscles and break up the lactic acid.

yeah i find that the more active I am in the days after I am less sore...taking that day off kille dme ..


deadlifts - I am scared to do these cause I fear i will hurt my lower back ...any tips or pointers.....you keep your legs str8 and focus on the hamstring right ?

but that beding at the hips puts too much stress on my lower back

[Deez Nuggets]

Inregards to being sore/stiff, your legs will be the worst 2 days after. The day after is nothing compared to how stiff and sore they will be tomorrow (if you did them yesterday) !!!


haha....

[GINZ]

Originally posted by FAST
yeah i find that the more active I am in the days after I am less sore...taking that day off kille dme ..


deadlifts - I am scared to do these cause I fear i will hurt my lower back ...any tips or pointers.....you keep your legs str8 and focus on the hamstring right ?

but that beding at the hips puts too much stress on my lower back

I keep my legs a little less than shoulder width and I try to lock myself in where I really feel the pull in my hams. Its very easy to use your lower back too much with this exercise, so you really need to concentrate on pulling with the hams.
I stay real strict with my form and stay around 245 for 6 on my last set. I dont want to go to heavy and cheat or hurt myself. I always use my weight belt with this one. I feel it really helps keep my lower back in place.
since I was turned on to this exercise (thanks Smokey) I have really seen my hams grow. I see alot of people in my gym doiing them now as well.
I have heard from one or two people that they are bad on the knees because you are locked up. Again, this is why im careful with my weights.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by Ginz
I have heard from one or two people that they are bad on the knees because you are locked up. Again, this is why im careful with my weights.



Ginz, why do you lock your knees out? Just like in Leg presses I go until I'm almost locked and then back down.



JP, keep your back *straight* and feet just about shoulder width apart. I see a few people look up when they are lifting, which is a definite no-no. It's very easy to strain neck muscles when asserting so much force in your neck. Keep your back and neck straight and look forward. Don't lock out your knees once you've lifted completely. At the very top, squeeze the top of your back. Remind me next time I see you and I'll show you good form.

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
Ginz, why do you lock your knees out? Just like in Leg presses I go until I'm almost locked and then back down.



JP, keep your back *straight* and feet just about shoulder width apart. I see a few people look up when they are lifting, which is a definite no-no. It's very easy to strain neck muscles when asserting so much force in your neck. Keep your back and neck straight and look forward. Don't lock out your knees once you've lifted completely. At the very top, squeeze the top of your back. Remind me next time I see you and I'll show you good form.

I should have been clearer with my description...
I lock my form in place holding that tension in my hams, not my knees. Kness have just a slight break to ease the pressure.
I keep my back straight and my eyes focused up.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by Ginz
I should have been clearer with my description...
I lock my form in place holding that tension in my hams, not my knees. Kness have just a slight break to ease the pressure.
I keep my back straight and my eyes focused up.


Your eyes up or your entire head facing up?

I'd even be weary to look up, fearing, that without meaning to do it, I might end up having my entire face upwards.

Reason why I'm so fearful of looking up is the first time I did dead lifts 4 yrs ago, I had my entire head facing upwards and I strained my neck and couldn't move it much for almost 2 weeks!

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
Your eyes up or your entire head facing up?

I'd even be weary to look up, fearing, that without meaning to do it, I might end up having my entire face upwards.

Reason why I'm so fearful of looking up is the first time I did dead lifts 4 yrs ago, I had my entire head facing upwards and I strained my neck and couldn't move it much for almost 2 weeks!

Eyes up head and neck in line with spine.

[Louie Corrales]

they key is get the form down... (all good pointers by deez and ginz) b4 adding any heavy weight...

work ur way up slowly...

dead lifts is not an excercise you wanna fuck around with... cuz you could really injure urself...

[vman]

Originally posted by FAST
I just started doing legs 3 weeks ago .....and I have been doing them light

yesterday I worked out wiht a buddy and we went all out


squats
seated presses
leg extensions
hamstring extensions
calf rasies


I cannot even walk..i sit for a while then try to get up quickly and it kills

but I love ever fuckign minute of it..it is that GOOD pain ... You do juice and just started legs?

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by vman
You do juice and just started legs?


Winny user mainly...

[Fierce1]

damn my legs are more sore than yesterday and im limping even more than before, i look crippled fa real - i bet tomorrows even worse

and when i sit still my quads are like convulsing/spazzing every few minutes

guess its safe to say I overdid my first day back on legs lol they are in shock

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by Fierce1
damn my legs are more sore than yesterday and im limping even more than before, i look crippled fa real - i bet tomorrows even worse

and when i sit still my quads are like convulsing/spazzing every few minutes

guess its safe to say I overdid my first day back on legs lol they are in shock


Like I said before, the second day after is always the worse...

Such a wonderful feeling though...!!!!

[FAST]

Originally posted by vman
You do juice and just started legs?

no i do legs sporadically...I havent been doing them untill recently ...but i am only taking winny..and I started that after I started doing legs again


any your concern is ?????????

[FAST]

deez and ginz..I am going to try them ....

i'll let you guys know how they work out ....


reason I am worried is that I threw my back out doing long bar shrugs and it tends to act up if I put any pressure on it ..

but it's worth a shot

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by FAST
deez and ginz..I am going to try them ....

i'll let you guys know how they work out ....


reason I am worried is that I threw my back out doing long bar shrugs and it tends to act up if I put any pressure on it ..

but it's worth a shot


Start out with LITE weight! Just to get a feel for proper form, throw 25 or 35s on each side. Use a weight belt and wraps (straps)...

Remember, keep your back straight, eyes and head straight ahead, feet just about shoulder width apart, don't lock your knees out at full lift, and get a good squeeze out of your upper back at the top of the lift..

A good indication that you have proper form is that you'll rub right above your knee caps with the bar on each lift.

[vman]

Originally posted by FAST
no i do legs sporadically...I havent been doing them untill recently ...but i am only taking winny..and I started that after I started doing legs again


any your concern is ????????? What does winny have to do with not doing legs? My point is that you should be an experienced all around bodybuilder before you touch any kind of gear. Im not saying you dont know what your doing but people who dont do legs and juice are the worst kind IMO. Those are the people who are doing it for all the wrong reasons.

[FAST]

Originally posted by vman
What does winny have to do with not doing legs? My point is that you should be an experienced all around bodybuilder before you touch any kind of gear. Im not saying you dont know what your doing but people who dont do legs and juice are the worst kind IMO. Those are the people who are doing it for all the wrong reasons.


i see where you mave have been confused...i said i started legs 3 weeks ago..what i forgot to mention is that I just stopped for the last few months ...last time I did them was in november Legs are def a normal part of my workout...

trust me I know the importance.. I just tend to slack in the winter

and I mentioned the winny ...cause you implied that I was on the sauce...yes winny is juice...but I wanted to make it clear that i am not on anythign heavy like test which...not lifting legs woudl just be plain stupid.


if you like I will email you my workout resume ...lol


:pushup :lifting :rope

[FAST]

Originally posted by vman
. but people who dont do legs and juice are the worst kind IMO. Those are the people who are doing it for all the wrong reasons.


trust me I am not one of those top heavey tards you see pushing their way around the deck of neptunes...

bigs chest ...and chicken legs...lol

[vman]

Originally posted by FAST


if you like I will email you my workout resume ...lol


Shut up dick.:chuckle Seriously though, you cleared it up for me but it def. bothers me seeing people who have no clue what they are doing, all juiced up with these chicken legs.

I have never done juice before but its something that I will keep an option, I just dont want to at this point in my life.

[Fierce1]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
Like I said before, the second day after is always the worse...

Such a wonderful feeling though...!!!!

yeah thats def 2 true statements right there (except for the muscle spasms lol)

love the burnnnn

[FAST]

Originally posted by vman
Shut up dick.:chuckle Seriously though, you cleared it up for me but it def. bothers me seeing people who have no clue what they are doing, all juiced up with these chicken legs.

I have never done juice before but its something that I will keep an option, I just dont want to at this point in my life.


lol yeah I re-read it and i saw where you coud have been confused

as much as I hate doing legs...the amoutn of normal test it releases is worth it .....

I have done a few cycles and I see the plusses and the negatives...I have been up to 195 lbs (from 155) and looking huge but bloated and shit ....but then after a while you lose it ...and it is the most addicting thing you can do ....

that is why I only do winny...it is easier on your body ...and you keep your gains ......you don't blow up and shit like on test ...but it creates a much leaner and harder look.....

plus last time I did test I had symptoms of gyno and it gfreaked me out ..

you can really fuck oyurself up if not done correclty...

my only adive is read read read b4 oyu do anyhitng ...dont listen to any of your friedns who do it ...cuase 85 % of them don't know shit most likely ...

that website we gave is def worth it I learned alot form it .....


also wait till your older....alot of heads do it too young before their body is grown to it's full potential ...but then agian I have no clue how hold you are...so i am not trying to preach ..lol

[TheHipHopBillGates]

fuck the form and using lightweights, do 10 minutes on the treadmill before legs, and 20-30 minutes on eliptical when your done and the next day you won't even know you did your legs the day before.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by FAST
that is why I only do winny...it is easier on your body ...and you keep your gains

For all those wondering, this statement is definitely not true.

Winny is terrible on the liver, joints, hair line, etc.... There are a lot more negative sides associated with winstrol that I have not listed...

Keeping gains relies primarily on the user, not the gear being used. Granted there is some weight that you'll loose post test usage, BUT, I've seen just as many people loose their hardness and definition achieved by winstrol as I've seen test users shrink down to or below their originial size pre-test usage.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by TheHipHopBillGates
fuck the form and using lightweights


To say something like to someone who has never done dead lifts before, this is just an incredibly ignorant piece of advice! Especially coming from someone who seems pretty damn intelligent like yourself.

The treadmill and eliptical machine does nothing to prevent or relieve the pain of strained or torn muscles / ligaments that can be had by in proper form on dead lifts (or any type of lifting for that matter).

[FAST]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
For all those wondering, this statement is definitely not true.

Winny is terrible on the liver, joints, hair line, etc.... There are a lot more negative sides associated with winstrol that I have no listed...

compared to test there chief the side effect are welcome ...

dont even make me start boy ...i read the same site as you ...lol

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by FAST
compared to test there chief the side effect are welcome ...

dont even make me start boy ...i read the same site as you ...lol


Keep on reading chief..

I take this type of shit pretty damn seriously. I'm NOT trying to get into a pissing match with you Jon Paul, but to pass of the sides associated from Winny as minor incomparison to test is just stupid.. Winstrol affects the body in different ways than test does, therefore the sides to some people can be just as bad if not worse than test!

There are a lot of ignorant and lazy people on this board who will take what the next guy says as pure fact.

[FAST]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
Keep on reading chief..

I take this type of shit pretty damn seriously. I'm NOT trying to get into a pissing match with you Jon Paul, but to pass of the sides associated from Winny as minor incomparison to test is just stupid.. Winstrol affects the body in different ways than test does, therefore the sides to some people can be just as bad if not worse than test!

There are a lot of ignorant and lazy people on this board who will take what the next guy says as pure fact.
\
but it is different strokes for diff folks ....you feel strongly about test and such and I strongly dislike it only due to pass experiences...


but as in side effects...they all have side effects...but if done in moderation and done correclty wiht correct dosage and correct supplements..sideeffects should be minimal...

but the effects of gyno and bloating are 2 that strongly discourage me from using test or similar oil based juices...

simply why I stay wiht the water based winny ...

[vman]

Originally posted by FAST
lol yeah I re-read it and i saw where you coud have been confused

as much as I hate doing legs...the amoutn of normal test it releases is worth it .....

I have done a few cycles and I see the plusses and the negatives...I have been up to 195 lbs (from 155) and looking huge but bloated and shit ....but then after a while you lose it ...and it is the most addicting thing you can do ....

that is why I only do winny...it is easier on your body ...and you keep your gains ......you don't blow up and shit like on test ...but it creates a much leaner and harder look.....

plus last time I did test I had symptoms of gyno and it gfreaked me out ..

you can really fuck oyurself up if not done correclty...

my only adive is read read read b4 oyu do anyhitng ...dont listen to any of your friedns who do it ...cuase 85 % of them don't know shit most likely ...

that website we gave is def worth it I learned alot form it .....


also wait till your older....alot of heads do it too young before their body is grown to it's full potential ...but then agian I have no clue how hold you are...so i am not trying to preach ..lol I appreciate the advice and i dont want to be a dick but i know way more than i want to know about this shit. I have been researching it for the last 5 years and I have about 5 proposed cycles that i would do, if and when im ready. Anabolicreview is solid but try superiormuscle.com. There are a lot more experienced peeps over there.

[vman]

Originally posted by FAST
lol yeah I re-read it and i saw where you coud have been confused

as much as I hate doing legs...the amoutn of normal test it releases is worth it .....

I have done a few cycles and I see the plusses and the negatives...I have been up to 195 lbs (from 155) and looking huge but bloated and shit ....but then after a while you lose it ...and it is the most addicting thing you can do ....

that is why I only do winny...it is easier on your body ...and you keep your gains ......you don't blow up and shit like on test ...but it creates a much leaner and harder look.....

plus last time I did test I had symptoms of gyno and it gfreaked me out ..

you can really fuck oyurself up if not done correclty...

my only adive is read read read b4 oyu do anyhitng ...dont listen to any of your friedns who do it ...cuase 85 % of them don't know shit most likely ...

that website we gave is def worth it I learned alot form it .....


also wait till your older....alot of heads do it too young before their body is grown to it's full potential ...but then agian I have no clue how hold you are...so i am not trying to preach ..lol one more thing, check up on your winny. Winny is far from easy on your body. NOt the worst but def. not the best. Try primo if you have a few extra bucks to throw around.

[vman]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
Keep on reading chief..

I take this type of shit pretty damn seriously. I'm NOT trying to get into a pissing match with you Jon Paul, but to pass of the sides associated from Winny as minor incomparison to test is just stupid.. Winstrol affects the body in different ways than test does, therefore the sides to some people can be just as bad if not worse than test!

There are a lot of ignorant and lazy people on this board who will take what the next guy says as pure fact. I hear that. Some clown was recommending T-3 to someone looking to lose a few pounds the other day on this board.

BTW.....I totally agree with you on the Winny and i didnt mean to be your echo but i posted that shit without reading through the entire post.

[FAST]

Originally posted by vman
I appreciate the advice and i dont want to be a dick but i know way more than i want to know about this shit. I have been researching it for the last 5 years and I have about 5 proposed cycles that i would do, if and when im ready. Anabolicreview is solid but try superiormuscle.com. There are a lot more experienced peeps over there.

then you def off to a aweosme start ...yeah i did not want to seem like i was preaching and shit ...lol

cause I hate when peopel do that to me ....lol



but dont listen to deez nuggets...he has no penis ...and he can't even bench 135....



but def I knwo that winy is bad also ...my main concern is GYNO ....i had a little lump on my last cycle of testoviroon and shit freaked me out ..or trust me i woudl be doing test every cycle...

but winny is the only thing I am comfortable with

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by FAST
\
but it is different strokes for diff folks ....you feel strongly about test and such and I strongly dislike it only due to pass experiences...


but as in side effects...they all have side effects...but if done in moderation and done correclty wiht correct dosage and correct supplements..sideeffects should be minimal...

but the effects of gyno and bloating are 2 that strongly discourage me from using test or similar oil based juices...

simply why I stay wiht the water based winny ...

I don't really have much of a preference oh either gear rather, my goals are just different from yours.

They all have sides and not one single side effect of either compound (oil or water based) is 100% avoidable despite how hard you (we) try (moderation, supps, etc..).

It's a pissing match of what's worse between sides associated with test and winny.. It's entirely up to the user and how 'bad' they precieve them to be vs. the gains.

[FAST]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
I don't really have much of a preference oh either gear rather, my goals are just different from yours.

They all have sides and not one single side effect of either compound (oil or water based) is 100% avoidable despite how hard you (we) try (moderation, supps, etc..).

It's a pissing match of what's worse between sides associated with test and winny.. It's entirely up to the user and how 'bad' they precieve them to be vs. the gains.

just fight me in miami and we will see what all that juice does for you .....lol

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by vman
one more thing, check up on your winny. Winny is far from easy on your body. NOt the worst but def. not the best. Try primo if you have a few extra bucks to throw around.


Primo / Prop
Primo / EQ

Are two very effective 'cutting' and 'hardening' cycles.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by FAST
just fight me in miami and we will see what all that juice does for you .....lol


WhOa man, just don't forget about the WhOa....

See how well you stand on your own too feet after some flamming fag slips 4 caps in your drink...


haha... god forbid.

[FAST]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
WhOa man, just don't forget about the WhOa....

See how well you stand on your own too feet after some flamming fag slips 4 caps in your drink...


haha... god forbid.

:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL fighting all whoa'd the fuck out ...lol

[vman]

Originally posted by FAST
then you def off to a aweosme start ...yeah i did not want to seem like i was preaching and shit ...lol

cause I hate when peopel do that to me ....lol



but dont listen to deez nuggets...he has no penis ...and he can't even bench 135....



but def I knwo that winy is bad also ...my main concern is GYNO ....i had a little lump on my last cycle of testoviroon and shit freaked me out ..or trust me i woudl be doing test every cycle...

but winny is the only thing I am comfortable with Why dont you do primo or some Eq then? Both of those seem to me like there a little more up your alley.

[FAST]

Originally posted by vman
Why dont you do primo or some Eq then? Both of those seem to me like there a little more up your alley.


ALL A MATTER OF SUPPLY ........BUT i WILL DEF LOOK INTO PRIMO OR EQ...MIND YOU ...i AM NO HUGE JUICER ...i HAVE ONLY DONE A FEW CYCLES SO I AM STILL PRETTY SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHAT I DO ..


BUT i WILLD EF LOOK INTO THEM ..

THANKS

[vman]

Originally posted by FAST
ALL A MATTER OF SUPPLY ........BUT i WILL DEF LOOK INTO PRIMO OR EQ...MIND YOU ...i AM NO HUGE JUICER ...i HAVE ONLY DONE A FEW CYCLES SO I AM STILL PRETTY SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHAT I DO ..


BUT i WILLD EF LOOK INTO THEM ..

THANKS I hear you, but if you can find some LEGIT primabolan, and i do mean legit, because there are a lot of fakes going around. Look into it because it would suit your goals with very, very few sides.

Heres a link for Primo
http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176

[Justin Michaels]

You sure that's the reason you can't walk??? lol

[FAST]

Originally posted by J M
You sure that's the reason you can't walk??? lol


no..your confused....

I am not walking like you after a night at the BLUE OYSTER

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
To say something like to someone who has never done dead lifts before, this is just an incredibly ignorant piece of advice! Especially coming from someone who seems pretty damn intelligent like yourself.

The treadmill and eliptical machine does nothing to prevent or relieve the pain of strained or torn muscles / ligaments that can be had by in proper form on dead lifts (or any type of lifting for that matter).

first off read the whole thing chief don't cut out just a piece, and try to pick it apart. And I was replying to the original comment that doesn't saying anything about dead lifts or torn muscles/ligaments. You don't want to be tight after doing your legs, do a good amount of cardio when your done.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by TheHipHopBillGates
first off read the whole thing chief don't cut out just a piece, and try to pick it apart. And I was replying to the original comment that doesn't saying anything about dead lifts or torn muscles/ligaments. You don't want to be tight after doing your legs, do a good amount of cardio when your done.

You're 100% right but I was commenting specifically on the dead lifts.. Being that was the way the conversation was going...

[Justin Michaels]

Originally posted by FAST
no..your confused....

I am not walking like you after a night at the BLUE OYSTER

:cantheary

[FAST]

I fuckign rock ...this is like my seocnd thread eve rin fitness and shit went 4 pages....

carry on

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
You're 100% right but I was commenting specifically on the dead lifts.. Being that was the way the conversation was going...

my bad, i responded to the original comment before reading the replies.

[Deez Nuggets]

This thread is officially DEAD,

I refuse to allow Jon Paul to make anymore money of it!!!


:chuckle

[FAST]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
This thread is officially DEAD,

I refuse to allow Jon Paul to make anymore money of it!!!


:chuckle

I call the shots around here rookie...lol

now it's dead